Why do many here hate religion ....

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
*chair, popcorn, beer*

/me gets marshmallows ready...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: Excelsior
*chair, popcorn, beer*

/me gets marshmallows ready...

Am I forgetting anything..

pizza?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: XietyCOM

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

few good points :thumbsup:

yup, the nonreligious are the few its still ok to discriminate against. easiest example is the fact that an athiest cannot be elected to office

True, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

you wouldn't like the beliefs of our forfathers. they were deists. believers of a god of nature, a god that doesn't interfere in the ways of man. jefferson for instance believed the bible was written by ignorant unlettered men. his words not mine. franklin, paine, washington etc.. all believed in a way that was nothing like the fanatics of today. rarely did washington even bother going to church. at best they considered christ a wise man, but son of god? bible? not so much.

Correct. Our founding fathers were not Christians.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
religion is a sham for the weak-minded people...

that is all.

You sound jut like me in the old days
Let's get together and do the boogy dance

:shocked::beer::brokenheart::camera::clock::disgust::evil:

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: UsandThemTrue, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

Obviously you've never actually read anything written by our founding fathers on the subject of religion or Christianity. These men were, for the most part, men of reason, and the few inclusions of "God" in public documents were deliberate concessions to placate their weaker minded peers.

Why fight it so much? Are you insane? The church has more of a stranglehold on the state now than it ever has. If we don't stop it now, we will be living under the Christian Taliban before two decades are out.

Also, despite the fact that you are trying to turn this into a trollfest, I will concur with the respondents to your initial post: I do not hate Jesus! I do not hate religion! I *do* hate sanctimonius hypocritical assholes who subvert the fabric of my country in their quest for power and wealth - two things that a true follower of Jesus would not require.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: Excelsior
*chair, popcorn, beer*

/me gets marshmallows ready...

Am I forgetting anything..

pizza?

Nah... doesn't taste that good with flames... mebbe BBQ to go with the beer?

 

[conjur]

<---- brings the low-carb goodies for the Atkins folk.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: XietyCOM

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

few good points :thumbsup:

yup, the nonreligious are the few its still ok to discriminate against. easiest example is the fact that an athiest cannot be elected to office

True, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

you wouldn't like the beliefs of our forfathers. they were deists. believers of a god of nature, a god that doesn't interfere in the ways of man. jefferson for instance believed the bible was written by ignorant unlettered men. his words not mine. franklin, paine, washington etc.. all believed in a way that was nothing like the fanatics of today. rarely did washington even bother going to church. at best they considered christ a wise man, but son of god? bible? not so much.

Correct. Our founding fathers were not Christians.

yup, by the standsards of the religious right of today..they were the liberal elite hehehe

what the right keeps doing today in trying to meld government and religion is more similar to the mullahs in iran then our founding fathers.

 

[Atomicus]

They hate Jesus because they can't find another perfect role model:roll:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: bR
Because people here don't like to be told what to do.

If by "told what to do" you mean "held as accountable to other human beings for their actions" then you would be completely correct.

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: UsandThem
I just have never seen so many threads on here where someone talks about religion (mainly Christanity) and it seems that so many people come in and just say "F*ck Christanity".

Hell, now we have a guy driving a cross thru the bible with blood coming out.

I think the people radically against religion are just as nuts as the "I am better than you" bible thumpers.

I am sure in some cases that is certainly true..

Nearly all organized religions are corrupt and evil. It is in their nature. It comes with the mindset of "Us and.. them".

JMO.

:thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: bR
Because people here don't like to be told what to do.

If by "told what to do" you mean "held as accountable to other human beings for their actions" then you would be completely correct.

What does religion have to do with being "held as accountable to other human beings for their actions"?

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: minendo

I can understand not believing something or not being religious, but what did Christ teach that causes so many to "hate" him.

It's not that I hate religion, it's the religous zealots I hate.

:thumbsup:

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: UsandThemTrue, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

Obviously you've never actually read anything written by our founding fathers on the subject of religion or Christianity. These men were, for the most part, men of reason, and the few inclusions of "God" in public documents were deliberate concessions to placate their weaker minded peers.

Why fight it so much? Are you insane? The church has more of a stranglehold on the state now than it ever has. If we don't stop it now, we will be living under the Christian Taliban before two decades are out.

Also, despite the fact that you are trying to turn this into a trollfest, I will concur with the respondents to your initial post: I do not hate Jesus! I do not hate religion! I *do* hate sanctimonius hypocritical assholes who subvert the fabric of my country in their quest for power and wealth - two things that a true follower of Jesus would not require.

You are right. I am turning this into a "trollfest" and I have never "read anything written by our founding fathers"

I love people who when you have a conversation and discuss different opinions, they resort to twisting what you have said. Just as bad as the "Christian bible thumpers" you are so against, right? Did I post anywhere here that "Jesus is lord, and you don't believe you are stupid"? I simply posted what I thought and have taken the time to read all the posts here to understand others points of views. I wish others would as well. Right myusername?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: bR
Because people here don't like to be told what to do.

If by "told what to do" you mean "held as accountable to other human beings for their actions" then you would be completely correct.

What does religion have to do with being "held as accountable to other human beings for their actions"?

I was just being an asshat. A part of Christianity is being accountable to others for your actions (confessing sins, parents, spouse, etc).

 

[conjur]

<shrug>

That's part of humanity.

IMO, the world would be MUCH better off w/o religion. We'd not have Islamic militants and we'd not have a nutcase currently in the White House.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: conjur
<shrug>

That's part of humanity.

IMO, the world would be MUCH better off w/o religion. We'd not have Islamic militants and we'd not have a nutcase currently in the White House.

They'd be psycho whether they had religion or not. The nutcase in the white house has one too many chromosomes. His religion doesn't teach him to be a dumbass. Christianity doesn't teach people to be freaking idiots. It's the people who are already idiots who are in the limelight with their religion that make the rest of us look bad.

 

[TallBill]

I certainly dont hate what I barely believe. But i do hate people talking about religion and trying to bring it into my life.

 

[BigToque]

I think the biggest problem is that there are so many people that are ignorant of their own faith. I would go so far as to say that most Christians have never actually spent time looking at their religious literature. Most don't ask questions and try to truly understand their faith and yet still defend it because it's how they were raised. How do they defend it? With misinformation. Just look at all the people who think that Catholics are not Christian! If they did any research they would realize that their protestant religions were all part of the Catholic Church but left because the church's views got in the way of their own agenda. These are the people who make Christianity look bad.

There are many good Christians, but it's the masses that make the group look bad.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Stefan
I think the biggest problem is that there are so many people that are ignorant of their own faith. I would go so far as to say that most Christians have never actually spent time looking at their religious literature. Most don't ask questions and try to truly understand their faith and yet still defend it because it's how they were raised. How do they defend it? With misinformation. Just look at all the people who think that Catholics are not Christian! If they did any research they would realize that their protestant religions were all part of the Catholic Church but left because the church's views got in the way of their own agenda. These are the people who make Christianity look bad.

There are many good Christians, but it's the masses that make the group look bad.

:beer:

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: conjur
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[djheater]

I don't particularly care for Deepak Chopra but he pretty much summed it up:

CHAT PARTICIPANT: Do you believe that a personal spirituality is healthier for an individual (and the world) than belief in a specific religion?

CHOPRA: You can see that religion has failed us. Christ was not a Christian. Buddha was not a Buddhist. Mohammed was not a Mohammedan. And yet ever since the dawn of history, we have engaged in conflict and war and terrorism and murder and racism and ethnocentrism and bigotry and prejudice in the name of God. I think the time has come for us to embrace spirituality as a domain of awareness where we all experience our universal nature, where we all experience our inseparability, where we all know love as the ultimate truth at the heart of creation.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: UsandThem

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: UsandThemTrue, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

Obviously you've never actually read anything written by our founding fathers on the subject of religion or Christianity. These men were, for the most part, men of reason, and the few inclusions of "God" in public documents were deliberate concessions to placate their weaker minded peers.

Why fight it so much? Are you insane? The church has more of a stranglehold on the state now than it ever has. If we don't stop it now, we will be living under the Christian Taliban before two decades are out.

Also, despite the fact that you are trying to turn this into a trollfest, I will concur with the respondents to your initial post: I do not hate Jesus! I do not hate religion! I *do* hate sanctimonius hypocritical assholes who subvert the fabric of my country in their quest for power and wealth - two things that a true follower of Jesus would not require.

You are right. I am turning this into a "trollfest" and I have never "read anything written by our founding fathers"

I am glad you concur with my observations.

I love people who when you have a conversation and discuss different opinions, they resort to twisting what you have said.

Yeah it sucks. I'm glad you appreciate that I didn't do that to you.

Just as bad as the "Christian bible thumpers" you are so against, right?

I don't recall using the term "Christian bible thumpers" ... oh .. wait ..are you twisting my words?

Did I post anywhere here that "Jesus is lord, and you don't believe you are stupid"?

No, you didn't.

I simply posted what I thought and have taken the time to read all the posts here to understand others points of views. I wish others would as well. Right myusername?

I don't recall you positing a POV. All I saw was an incorrect generalization about the religious convictions of the founding fathers of my country, and then a question used as a specious rhetorical device based on that fallacy.
I did partially answer your OP, which was a leading question, also based on fallacy if the sampling of ATOT'ers has any validity. The only reason I can see you feel that my response needed further attention, much less argument, is if you are a sanctimonius hypocritical [asshole] who subvert the fabric of my country, and somehow took offense at being recognized.

So tell me, UsandThem, are you a sanctimonius hypocritical [asshole] who subvert the fabric of my country?

 

[UsandThem]

myusername, all I have to say to that will sum it quickly and in a way that you will truly understand, is that you are an @sshole.

Now, go look some more big words up at www.m-w.com, and post some more of your useless thoughts here to try and make yourself feel more important (because I have a strong sense that you aren't).

Thread was created to discuss opinions, and you have to sh!t in it with your first post in it.

Now, go get ready for bed - you have to cook the McGriddles in the morning. :laugh:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: conjur
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