Why do humans do wrong? (And why do we turn away from God?)

[mithrandir2001]

I'm not interested in converting people. That's why nations have fought over the ages. God certainly doesn't want people to use Him as a mechanism for inflicting pain on others. If you believe in God (and by "God", I mean the "One", the "Living Spirit", whatever, not necessarily the Christian God), He might reveal to you that the best way to demonstrate your faith is by being compassionate and kind, even to entities who may be hateful.

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

I had drifted close to the abyss of despair and that included thoughts of taking my own life. But for ways that I cannot hope to explain, God became clear to me and He lifted me from my torment and into His arms of Love. You may call this rubbish but that really doesn't bother me. We each take our own spiritual paths.

I think a lot about right and wrong because our decisions ultimately determine our level of happiness, i.e. our oneness with God. We aren't perfect but God is and if we strive for perfection we may hope to attain that unparalleled state of bliss.

 

[Booster]

That makes absolutely no sense.

He was asking why people of the faith go against their faith.

Your response is that if you don't sin, you'll have nothing to confess, and if you don't confess your sins, you won't get into heaven.. but why would you need to confess your sins if you don't sin?

That's coz even a saint has to confess his 'original sin' which he inherited by being born into a human race. It's impossible to be accepted into heaven without confession in any case.

 

[mdennison]

God is dead and no one cares!
If there is a hell, i'll see you there!

(8)

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur
The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

in who's view

In everyone's.

I am the shining example.

lol :beer:

non-believer!

Jesus?

 

[Electric Amish]

Jesus?

Close......Mel Gibson.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Jesus?

Close......Mel Gibson.

Well...minus the cool accent.

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

People do not need a Bible to tell them what is right and what is wrong.

and should not, if you live your life from a book, then there is something wrong with you, now if you take what ever relgion or non-relgion you are, and take the writing, use it as a guide to what you should do in life that is what it should be. Nothing in this world is black and white and if you think something is, then you my friend are dead wrong.

Dogg

 

[skace]

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

So you do not recognize that I myself am making decisions in my life that make me a good person, but that god is making these choices for me. Do you recognize that it is very hard for me to put in that extra effort not to litter or to go out of my way and help someone? But that extra effort does not belong to me, it belongs to the god inside of me? It is especially hard not to do something when you watch others do it on a daily basis, like litter.

 

[TheBDB]

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

I feel all warm and fuzzy now.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

I feel all warm and fuzzy now.

God is telling non-believers to do things right, yet God gave everyone free will?

How does that work?

 

[gordy]

reaction = conviction

the polarizing effect of this topic has the same reaction of pulling out a cross in a den of vampires! lol

with a reaction like that your on to it bud, there is something there


oh and to the most absurd comment ``wrong is relative" tell that to slaves, to indians, to battered wives, to molested children.... relative.... my A$$

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Booster

That makes absolutely no sense.

He was asking why people of the faith go against their faith.

Your response is that if you don't sin, you'll have nothing to confess, and if you don't confess your sins, you won't get into heaven.. but why would you need to confess your sins if you don't sin?

That's coz even a saint has to confess his 'original sin' which he inherited by being born into a human race. It's impossible to be accepted into heaven without confession in any case.

If you really believe that, I am sorry.

The Catholic religion is the most crooked, corrupt and disgusting of all the Christian derrivatives. :disgust:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: skace

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

So you do not recognize that I myself am making decisions in my life that make me a good person, but that god is making these choices for me. Do you recognize that it is very hard for me to put in that extra effort not to litter or to go out of my way and help someone? But that extra effort does not belong to me, it belongs to the god inside of me? It is especially hard not to do something when you watch others do it on a daily basis, like litter.

No, I don't recognize that nor do i believe what you believe.

Whatever extra effort I make, I attribute to myself.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Booster

That makes absolutely no sense.

He was asking why people of the faith go against their faith.

Your response is that if you don't sin, you'll have nothing to confess, and if you don't confess your sins, you won't get into heaven.. but why would you need to confess your sins if you don't sin?

That's coz even a saint has to confess his 'original sin' which he inherited by being born into a human race. It's impossible to be accepted into heaven without confession in any case.

If you really believe that, I am sorry.

The Catholic religion is the most crooked, corrupt and disgusting of all the Christian derrivatives. :disgust:

Don't put Catholics and Christians together, we don't want them.

j/k of course, well, kinda...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Booster

That makes absolutely no sense.

He was asking why people of the faith go against their faith.

Your response is that if you don't sin, you'll have nothing to confess, and if you don't confess your sins, you won't get into heaven.. but why would you need to confess your sins if you don't sin?

That's coz even a saint has to confess his 'original sin' which he inherited by being born into a human race. It's impossible to be accepted into heaven without confession in any case.

If you really believe that, I am sorry.

The Catholic religion is the most crooked, corrupt and disgusting of all the Christian derrivatives. :disgust:

Don't put Catholics and Christians together, we don't want them.

j/k of course, well, kinda...

So which "god" is "right"?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: skace

If you say you are atheist but live a morally correct life that's not necessarily a contradiction. God inside of you is telling you to do things right, even if you absolutely positively confirm that God doesn't exist. Perhaps you tried to find God by your intellect instead of with your heart. God works in strange ways some times and He loves you all the same.

So you do not recognize that I myself am making decisions in my life that make me a good person, but that god is making these choices for me. Do you recognize that it is very hard for me to put in that extra effort not to litter or to go out of my way and help someone? But that extra effort does not belong to me, it belongs to the god inside of me? It is especially hard not to do something when you watch others do it on a daily basis, like litter.

Absolutely not.

We have free will, remember?

We are not his puppets. He does not control us in any way, shape or form.

 

[Chunkee]

But the idea that you require faith in some intangible being to be happy is quite preposterous.

that is a perposterous statement

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Don't put Catholics and Christians together, we don't want them.

j/k of course, well, kinda...

 

[jjones]

Doing right or doing wrong, creating the good around you or leaving a trail of evil behind you has nothing to do with God, religion, agnosticism or atheism. It's about wisdom of decisions and acceptance of responsibility, or lack thereof. It's the unending war between selfishness and selflessness on the battlefield of internal emotions. In the midst of all this, God can exist, or not.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

But the idea that you require faith in some intangible being to be happy is quite preposterous.

that is a perposterous statement

Howso???

It may not be true for you, but it is certainly true for me. I used to believe in the Christian version of God, Jesus, etc.. but it did not contribute to my happiness. Now that I am old enough to think for myself, and dismiss the fearmongering nonsense from the truely unknown, the disbelief in the Christian God certainly doesen't detract from my overall happiness. If anything, it adds to it.. because I feel like I understand things better than I ever did before.

The thing that annoys me about die-hard religious folks the most is that they rarely practice what they preach..... look in the mirror once in a while, damnit.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Chunkee

But the idea that you require faith in some intangible being to be happy is quite preposterous.

that is a perposterous statement

Howso???

claiming that someone deciding to place faith is a decision, like all others..labeling beliefs, faith as perposterous is perposterous in itself.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

How do you turn away from something imaginary?

The only wrong I do is pirate mp3s .

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Chunkee

But the idea that you require faith in some intangible being to be happy is quite preposterous.

that is a perposterous statement

Howso???

claiming that someone deciding to place faith is a decision, like all others..labeling beliefs, faith as perposterous is perposterous in itself.

What??

English please. I do not understand what you're trying to say.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Chunkee

But the idea that you require faith in some intangible being to be happy is quite preposterous.

that is a perposterous statement

Howso???

claiming that someone deciding to place faith is a decision, like all others..labeling beliefs, faith as perposterous is perposterous in itself.

Try reading his post again.

He's saying that, if one is to be happy in life, you must have faith in God. That is preposterous (note the spelling, btw.)

It's entirely possible to happy and NOT have faith in God.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: jjones
Doing right or doing wrong, creating the good around you or leaving a trail of evil behind you has nothing to do with God, religion, agnosticism or atheism. It's about wisdom of decisions and acceptance of responsibility, or lack thereof. It's the unending war between selfishness and selflessness on the battlefield of internal emotions. In the midst of all this, God can exist, or not.

This is quite true...some feel compelled to associated that Christ, and there is nothing wrong with that....there is nothing wrong with something that provides hope, love, kindness and peace. None of those feelings should be ridiculed by anyone.

they are postive things