Why do humans do wrong? (And why do we turn away from God?)

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: djheater
To respond to the title WITHOUT reading through the ridiculously long post:

People who turn away from god get more chicks and have less guilt.

I hope I've been helpful in hammering out your obvious spiritual distress.

:beer:

 

[Eli]

To answer your original question... "wrong" is realitive.

Something that is wrong to you may not be wrong to someone else.

 

[PowerEngineer]

<sigh>

Aethiests obviously do NOT choose to seperate themselves from "God". By definition they do not believe in "God" and therefore can not be choosing to move away from something that they do not know exists. If you really ever were an aetheist, you should have a better understanding of their thinking than you seem to have now.

The more interesting question is why BELIEVERS (rather than "humans") continually choose to do things that are forbidden or discouraged by their "God". Why do you seperate yourselves from your "God"? How about residual doubt in your "God" -- lack of absolute faith?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: djheater
To respond to the title WITHOUT reading through the ridiculously long post:

People who turn away from god get more chicks and have less guilt.

I hope I've been helpful in hammering out your obvious spiritual distress.

To burst your bubble I've come across quite a few individuals who have been on the brink of suicide and what not and faith was the only thing to turn them around, and they're now happier than most other people. No, I'm not one of them, but there are countless.

To answer your original question... "wrong" is realitive.

Something that is wrong to you may not be wrong to someone else.

So there is nothing "wrong" about rape, murder, theft? You can't tell me it doesn't upset you to hear of it, even if you're not the victim of it.

 

[Vonkhan]

Becuz it FEELS SO GOOD TO BE SO BAD!!!

come on, the world would be such a boring place with us devil-worshipers :evil:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I don't do wrong and I don't believe in God.

Explain that...

you don't do wrong in who's view?

The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: apoppin
What is wrong . . .

. . . are . .

your ridiculous assumptions.

This thread is wrong . . . or at least in the wrong place . . . there needs to be a special forum for these topics (next to Politics and News).

agreed!

maybe then we can then have some serious discussions

Then please add your SUPPORT to my Forums Issues thread please


NEED (Urgently) a NEW FORUM!!!

The nicest thing EVAR done for OT was the creation of "Politics and News".

Now there is a urgent new and similar need - TO CREATE A "RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPY" FORUM

there are WAAY too many in OT who want to "convert" me and it is NO LONGER A FRIENDLY place to discuss anything without reading about "god's love 4me" . . . or the HATERS who reply NEGATIVELY to this propangandizing.

Creating this NEW FORUM would divert half of these topics there and those WHO WANT to discuss can go THERE.

 

[gsaldivar]

:heart: 666

:beer:

 

[rh71]

Religion / Politics: couldn't possibly care less

Does that make anyone better than me ? No.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: djheater
To respond to the title WITHOUT reading through the ridiculously long post:

People who turn away from god get more chicks and have less guilt.

I hope I've been helpful in hammering out your obvious spiritual distress.

To burst your bubble I've come across quite a few individuals who have been on the brink of suicide and what not and faith was the only thing to turn them around, and they're now happier than most other people. No, I'm not one of them, but there are countless.

To answer your original question... "wrong" is realitive.

Something that is wrong to you may not be wrong to someone else.

So there is nothing "wrong" about rape, murder, theft? You can't tell me it doesn't upset you to hear of it, even if you're not the victim of it.

No no, certainly not.. and those things are certainly wrong in nearly all current human societies.

But what I said is still true.

 

[Booster]

The more interesting question is why BELIEVERS (rather than "humans") continually choose to do things that are forbidden or discouraged by their "God". Why do you seperate yourselves from your "God"? How about residual doubt in your "God" -- lack of absolute faith?

It's coz if you don't sin there'll be nothing to confess. And if you don't confess your sins your chances of going to paradise aren't good, at best (just IMHO).

 

[Chiropteran]

I liked this thread more when it was locked.

 

[apoppin]

I also think if people took responsibility for their own lives instead of wasting time, effort and thought on "Sin" and "guilt" and the hypocricy of "redemption" and "saved" the human race would be far better off.

With religion comes a lot of garbage and "mine is better" to the point of killing millions in the name of god.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I don't do wrong and I don't believe in God.

Explain that...

you don't do wrong in who's view?

The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

 

[StageLeft]

No no, certainly not.. and those things are certainly wrong in nearly all current human societies.

But what I said is still true.

So if somebody burns your house down for fun, you can't get mad at them because "for them it's not wrong"? How can you hold them accountable if they have a different set of guidelines about what is right and wrong?

 

[skace]

killing != littering != athiesm

If the world were in black and white, you would still be wrong.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Booster

The more interesting question is why BELIEVERS (rather than "humans") continually choose to do things that are forbidden or discouraged by their "God". Why do you seperate yourselves from your "God"? How about residual doubt in your "God" -- lack of absolute faith?

It's coz if you don't sin there'll be nothing to confess. And if you don't confess your sins your chances of going to paradise aren't good, at best (just IMHO).

That makes absolutely no sense.

He was asking why people of the faith go against their faith.

Your response is that if you don't sin, you'll have nothing to confess, and if you don't confess your sins, you won't get into heaven.. but why would you need to confess your sins if you don't sin?

In my religion, peeing anywhere but a proper urine receptacle is a sin.

You're all going to hell.

 

[WhiteWonder]

I don't do anything wrong.
I also don't like your god.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I don't do wrong and I don't believe in God.

Explain that...

you don't do wrong in who's view?

The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I don't do wrong and I don't believe in God.

Explain that...

you don't do wrong in who's view?

The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

in who's view

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur
The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

in who's view

In everyone's.

I am the shining example.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
I liked this thread more when it was locked.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

No no, certainly not.. and those things are certainly wrong in nearly all current human societies.

But what I said is still true.

So if somebody burns your house down for fun, you can't get mad at them because "for them it's not wrong"? How can you hold them accountable if they have a different set of guidelines about what is right and wrong?

I understand your point. I guess I don't really know how to answer? Maybe there is no answer?

I guess the answer is that.. burning someones house down is "wrong" because you would not wish to have your house burned down yourself. I forget what the term is, but the same applies for murder, theft, etc.. you don't do it because you don't want it done to you.

I'm talking about things like littering ... If nobody ever taught you that littering was wrong, how would you know?

Although, I suppose you could use the same analogy above- you wouldn't want people to litter in your yard, so don't litter in others.

Shrug. I guess I don't know how to properly respond, but "wrong", like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, when it comes down to it.

For example, it is "wrong" for Indians(people of India) to kill cows, but it certainly isn't "wrong" here.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur
The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

in who's view

In everyone's.

I am the shining example.

lol :beer:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: conjur
The eyes of the law; the eyes of his fellow man and woman; the eyes of his family; and his own eyes.

Same as me.

right

You don't know me.

How can you judge me?

I was rolling my eyes at the fact that you claim to be perfect.

No one is perfect, period.

Au contraire. I am quite the perfect person. I have never done wrong...never.

in who's view

In everyone's.

I am the shining example.

lol :beer:

non-believer!