Why do conservatives...

[Moonbeam]

There are Christian charities. Therefore Christianity is good. I think most liberals don't have a problem with charity.

There are Christians that kill doctors at abortion clinics. Therefore Christianity is bad. That one is kind of iffy though because it depends on the belief that killing abortionist really is evil. One group hopefully small in number has a bit of trouble with that apparently.

I conclude then, that those who argue for or against Christianity from these polar opposite points of view are simpletons.

The answer to the value or worthlessness of Christianity has to lie in some other standard of measure. I would say the value of Christianity is so complex an issue that it is impossible for a simpleton like me to begin to judge. I do know I know some Christians who are fantastic people and I know others who stink. I also know that what I think of Christianity isn't going to change a God Damned thing.

 

[Texashiker]

There are Christian charities. Therefore Christianity is good. I think most liberals don't have a problem with charity.

San Francisco, a shining beacon of liberalism is also the homeless capital of the United States.

Just about every state (not all states) that are ran by a liberal democrat government has an epidemic level of poverty.

 

[Moonbeam]

As to why Conservatives lean toward dogmatic certainty, low level reasoning, heirchical structures and certainties provided by faith, you can read 16 scientifically peer reviewed studies of their brains here. You can decide for yourself if you feel that minds that reject scientific thinking are defective.

http://2012election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

want the US to be a theocracy?

They claim the US was founded by Christians for Christians.
They get angry about reverting the last change to the Pledge.
They get off on praying during legislative sessions, etc.
They consistently legislate and regulate their morality into the system (gay rights, abortions, etc).
Some will even go so far as to argue that the First Amendment only applies to a State sponsored Church, so we actually can pass explicitly religious laws/policies.

I feel like I had a few more examples, but I'm sure you get the idea. So, what's the deal?

So many strawmen...so little time.

So I'll start here at the beginning...just exactly who is claiming that the US was founded by Christians for Christians? And if you manage to find even one or a small handful of conservatives that specifically said this (doubtful), how do you rationalize smearing all conservatives for such a twisted worldview?

 

[Texashiker]

As to why Conservatives lean toward dogmatic certainty, low level reasoning, heirchical structures and certainties provided by faith, you can read 16 scientifically peer reviewed studies of their brains here. You can decide for yourself if you feel that minds that reject scientific thinking are defective.

You can complain all you want. But the truth is, the leading progressive liberal cites are the first ones to turn their back on the needy.

Whats worse, the liberal disease is spreading to large conservative cities, such as dallas and houston.

 

[nehalem256]

Things like stem cell research are correctly pointed out as being a point of ignorance, however that commodity seems to be in surplus.

Stem cell research also isn't banned.

 

[Moonbeam]

San Francisco, a shining beacon of liberalism is also the homeless capital of the United States.

Just about every state (not all states) that are ran by a liberal democrat government has an epidemic level of poverty.

Remember, in many ways you are a low level thinker. For example, earlier in the thread you defended bigotry by saying that everybody is a bigot. You defend your irrational thinking with more irrational thinking. If challenged you defend your irrational defense with more irrational defense. This is what you will do next when I tell you that there are two ways not to like something, because you have been indoctrinated not to like it, have negative experiences irrationally connected to what you dislike, respond to it with past fears of negative press, etc, or you can see that you reject something because you have real objective reasons to know it's wrong, dangerous, evil etc. You are in many areas irrational. Deal with that before you start with the deflection that others are just as bad. Not all others are just as bad at all. Dump some of your profoundly bullshit bigoted opinions before you run to condemn folk who may be far far less bigoted than you are.

 

[Vic]

So people giving money to support their representatives to vote on policies they agree with = theocracy?

I don't think you know what theocracy means. Religious organizations aren't demanding they be in charge of the government in the way the Pope controls Vatican City or the mullahs rule Iran.

Um.. you don't know any Charismatics or Penecostals do you?

 

[Texashiker]

Remember, in many ways you are a low level thinker. For example, earlier in the thread you defended bigotry by saying that everybody is a bigot.

Typical liberal.

Rather than face the facts that liberal economic policies are a failure, you resort to insults.

Everyone is a bigot. We just have to dig a little deeper on some people.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So many strawmen...so little time.

So I'll start here at the beginning...just exactly who is claiming that the US was founded by Christians for Christians? And if you manage to find even one or a small handful of conservatives that specifically said this (doubtful), how do you rationalize smearing all conservatives for such a twisted worldview?

From my wiki link

The Christian right believes that separation of church and state is not explicit in the American Constitution, believing instead that such separation is a creation of what it claims are activist judges in the judicial system.[61][62][63] In the United States, the Christian right often supports their claims by asserting that the country was "founded by Christians as a Christian Nation."[64][65] Members of the Christian right take the position that the Establishment Clause bars the federal government from establishing or sponsoring a state church (e.g. the Church of England), but does not prevent the government from acknowledging religion. The Christian right points out that the term "separation of church and state" is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson, not from the Constitution itself.[66][67][68] Furthermore, the Alliance Defense Fund takes the view that the concept of "separation of church and state" has been utilized by the American Civil Liberties Union and its allies to inhibit public acknowledgment of Christianity and restrict the religious freedoms of Christians.

 

[BUnit1701]

What does the 1st Amendment actually say?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Now where exactly in that phrase to you see 'OMG no one is allowed to pray near a government sanctioned event'!!!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

From my wiki link

The only relevant citation Wikipedia gives is a House resolution (HR 888 - 2007) that was drafted by a handful of people and was sponsored by both Republicans and Democrats. The resolution was never enacted.

 

[soulcougher73]

Show me an atheist based charity hospital, advertises its atheist based, and gets most of its funding from atheist groups.

You dont understand atheism at all. So you should just stop talking about it as if you do. You make yourself appear dumber and dumber each time you pretend you know.

 

[Texashiker]

You understand atheism at all. So you should just stop talking about it as if you do. You make yourself appear dumber and dumber each time you pretend you know.

In other words there are no atheist based charity hospitals that provide services to the poor and needy, so I should just stop asking?

 

[Vic]

In other words there are no atheist based charity hospitals that provide services to the poor and needy, so I should just stop asking?

Atheist based, of course not. Secular, quite a few.

This isn't relevant to the discussion. Churches at their best when they help the poor and needy, and at their worst when they butt into government.

 

[soulcougher73]

In other words there are no atheist based charity hospitals that provide services to the poor and needy, so I should just stop asking?

You don't understand atheism at all. So you should just stop talking about it as if you do. You make yourself appear dumber and dumber each time you pretend you know.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The only relevant citation Wikipedia gives is a House resolution (HR 888 - 2007) that was drafted by a handful of people and was sponsored by both Republicans and Democrats. The resolution was never enacted.

What?
You asked "just exactly who is claiming that the US was founded by Christians for Christians?"
I never said all conservatives are a part of the Christian right, and I really didn't say anything about R's or D's
The Christian right were I live would no doubt all be Dems in the US

edit- I better clarify, peeps getting picky, Most of the Christian right here, would be D's in the US

 

[Texashiker]

This isn't relevant to the discussion. Churches at their best when they help the poor and needy, and at their worst when they butt into government.

On the point of morality I think it is important.

Few atheist based groups help the needy, much less provide medical care to those who are under served.

But yet atheist complain about conservatives wanting to legislate morals and values.

If conservatives do not pick up the moral torch, who will? Who is going to step forward and help the needy? Atheist are not going to do it.

feedthechildren.org is a christian based organization that has been ranked as one of the best charities in the world. Where is the atheist equivalent? What do atheist do to improve the world around them? For that matter what do liberals do to improve the world around them?

 

[ThinClient]

Stem cell research also isn't banned.

Not anymore, but it was under Bush when it first really got started.

 

[Vic]

On the point of morality I think it is important.

Few atheist based groups help the needy, much less provide medical care to those who are under served.

But yet atheist complain about conservatives wanting to legislate morals and values.

If conservatives do not pick up the moral torch, who will? Who is going to step forward and help the needy? Atheist are not going to do it.

feedthechildren.org is a christian based organization that has been ranked as one of the best charities in the world. Where is the atheist equivalent? What do atheist do to improve the world around them? For that matter what do liberals do to improve the world around them?

I am all for religious charities.

But you're not "picking up the moral torch" when you use the power and force of government to shove your beliefs down people's throats.

 

[Ruptga]

I have an entire extended family that absolutely thinks and talks as described in the OP, not to mention most of the people in every church my folks have ever attended. Some of those people do have quibbles with this or that, but in the end their positions all come out about the same. If any of you think I'm bullshitting, I dare you to spend a few weeks in a small town in a red state.

Also note that the OP generalized conservatives, not Christians. Around my neck of the woods that can be a subtle distinction, but I know it isn't universally so.

 

[ThinClient]

I had a feeling you were full of shit. YOU are bullshit.

Yep. You don't want to bother googling so it's simply easier for you to throw personal insults instead of educating yourself or simply resorting to "I don't know."

Yeah, that makes me want to help you understand.

Pretty typical for religiotards. Also, nice display of Christian be-attitudes.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What?
You asked "just exactly who is claiming that the US was founded by Christians for Christians?"
I never said all conservatives are a part of the Christian right, and I really didn't say anything about R's or D's
The Christian right were I live would no doubt all be Dems in the US

edit- I better clarify, peeps getting picky, Most of the Christian right here, would be D's in the US

So easy to misunderstand what you're trying to say when all I get is a link. Sorry about that. Anyway, thanks for providing a link which shows that his comment relates only to a relatively small group of people that doesn't represent conservative tenets per se...as Democrats also supported that resolution.

 

[bradly1101]

want the US to be a theocracy?

They consistently legislate and regulate their morality into the system (gay rights, abortions, etc).
to argue that the First Amendment only applies to a State sponsored Church, so we actually can pass explicitly religious laws/policies.

Legislating morality is a tricky thing since there are over six billion versions on the planet.

We can mostly all agree about violence, but what about abortion? Because some wouldn't have one and think it's immoral, should their thinking apply to all?

I've noticed that many conservatives want regulation in the bedroom, but just try to regulate guns, or pollution, etc.

 

[Moonbeam]

In other words there are no atheist based charity hospitals that provide services to the poor and needy, so I should just stop asking?

Atheists are not a group with an organization they donate to. Try to think.