Why didn't Trump condemn white supremacists?

[JEDIYoda]

Trump is a racists and always has been! His refusal to condemn white Supremacists is a slap oin the face to all minorities!!

 

[Muse]

Trump does not believe in the concept of unity. He sees differences, not commonalities. He's a politician, needs electoral votes. He wants to be reelected now more than anything, it's his total obsession. Anything that he sees as getting him votes he will try, including not bad mouthing white supremacists. Simple as that. He figures if they're with him, and anyone who openly or secretly sympathizes with them, he won't castigate them. Antagonisms put fuel in his engines.

 

[rommelrommel]

So you'll agree he has denounced white supremacists and the KKK (which many have said he's never done lol)? Or is the above listed 17 times he's done it not enough?

Denouncing the KKK and David Duke might have had some gravitas in 1993. The game has changed and if he can’t be bothered to denounce actual current threats doesn’t that raise some questions for you?

 

[pauldun170]

For the average person, when faced with the question it's a simple response back.
For any person free from racism, the response to that would have been a simple straightforward one.

Trump's response is all you need to know.

Once? LOL

1) “I am concerned about the rise of any group of hate. I don’t like it, any group of hate, whether its white supremacy, whether it’s any other kind of supremacy, whether its antifa… I am very concerned about it and I’ll do something about it.” – Business Insider, 8/7/2019
2) “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism – whatever they need.” – National Review, 8/06/2019
3) “The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division,” Trump posted on Twitter Saturday morning. “We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!” – USA Today, 8/11/2018
4) “I want to applaud the many protestors in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate. Our country will soon come together as one!” – Trump Tweet, 8/19/2017
5) “We will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression in all its forms, and seek a new future built on our common culture and values as one American people.” – Washington Examiner, 6/16/2016
6) “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” – Trump in his famous remarks about Charlottesville, 8/15/2017
7) “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.” – NPR, 8/14/2017
8) “I don’t want to energize the (Alt-Right), and I disavow the group,” Trump told Baquet. “It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why.” Asked point-blank about the conference featuring (Richard) Spencer, Trump again disavowed any support. “I disavow and condemn them,” Trump told Times reporters. He did chide them for continuing to ask about the topic though, telling one questioner: “Boy, you are really into [this issue].” – Politico, 11/22/2016
9) “I don’t like any group of hate. Hate groups are not for me. How many times do I have to reject? I’ve rejected David Duke. I’ve rejected the KKK, the Ku Klux Klan, from the time I’m five-years-old.” – The Washington Examiner, 3/6/2016
10) “I totally disavow the Ku Klux Klan. I totally disavow David Duke.” – The Hill, 3/3/2016
11) “David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years,” Trump said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK,” Trump added. “Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now.” – CNN, 3/3/2016
12) “David Duke and all was disavowed. I disavowed him on Friday. I disavowed them right after that because I thought if there was any question and you take a look at Twitter, almost immediately after on Twitter and Facebook, they were disavowed again. I disavow him every time I speak to somebody virtually and they just keep it going.” – ABC, 3/1/2016
13) “I disavowed David Duke a day before in a major press conference, and I’m saying to myself: How many times do I have to continue to disavow people…” – NBC, 2/29/2016
14) “David Duke endorsed me? OK, alright. I disavow, OK?” – The Hill, 2/26/2016
15) “I don’t need (David Duke’s) endorsement; I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement.” – Politico, 8/26/2015
16) “Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined (the Reform Party) – a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.” – NBC News, 2/24/2000
17) “I’ve had the chance to learn firsthand about the diversity of American culture, and it has left me with little appetite for those who hate or preach intolerance. One of our next president’s most important goals must be to induce a greater sense of tolerance for diversity.” – Donald Trump in his book, The America We Deserve, published 1/12/200

1.
"I don't like it, any group of hate, whether its white supremacy, whether it's any other kind of supremacy, whether its antifa," the president said. "I am very concerned about it and I'll do something about it."
Avoids directly answerring the question and shift to "ALL" while specifically mentioning antifa.
Equivalent of discrediting BLM by redirecting to All lives matter

Trump said he's concerned about 'white supremacy' or 'any other kind of supremacy'

"I don't like it, any group of hate, whether its white supremacy, whether it's any other kind of supremacy," Trump said.

www.businessinsider.com

2. Prepared statement written by staff

3. We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!
AKA Both sides and shifts narrative away from specifically white nationalism

4. He just came off the shitstorm from Charlottesville and he was primarily concerned with thank police. The Boston protest caught his attention because the primary organizers
had invited "libertarians, conservatives, traditionalists, classical liberals, Trump supporters or anyone else who enjoys their right to free speech," according to a group calling itself the Boston Free Speech Coalition, which sought to distance itself from the violence in Charlottesville on its Facebook page.
"We denounce the politics of supremacy and violence," it said. "We denounce the actions, activities, and tactics of the so-called Antifa movement. We denounce the normalization of political violence."
He gave zero fucks about the BLM counterprotestors.

5. Dumbass. See full article of what he was actually talking about

Trump: ‘We reject the bigotry’ of Clinton

He said Clinton does not treat black voters as “human beings worthy of a better future.”

thehill.com

I could keep going, but I don't have to.
Your copy paste nonsense is better wasted elsewhere

Guy Page: Is Donald Trump a racist? Evaluating what ’45’ has said and done

A former Vermont State House journalist — a sincerely good, decent, civil person of long and pleasant acquaintance — recently chastised me on my Facebook page for backing “racist” President Donald …

www.truenorthreports.com

 

[SteveGrabowski]

 

[HomerJS]

Rick twisted himself into a pretzel trying to excuse trump today.

RIck keeps trying to lump the "Antifa left" into his #bothsides argument to water down Trump's transgressions. Problem, Antifa are NOT THE LEFT, they are ANARCHISTS. TV voice announcer: The role of Rick Santorum is currently being played by @blackangst1.

I'm trying to make a serious point. Listen to Rick's defense of Trump. It sounds just like @blackangst1. I'm not even sure he realizes it.

 

[mikeymikec]

And for every "I'm totally not a white supremacist" statement from Trump, we probably have at least 5 that strongly suggests he is. If he wasn't a white supremacist, after one or two "gaffes", he'd logically try to avoid doing it in future. Instead he built his Presidential campaign on it by making up the Mexican Rapist Conspiracy and the Muslim Ban to name two just off the top of my head. These aren't gaffes. They're not "poorly worded but sensible" policies, they're just straight-up racist/xenophobic bullshit.

 

[Muse]

And for every "I'm totally not a white supremacist" statement from Trump, we probably have at least 5 that strongly suggests he is. If he wasn't a white supremacist, after one or two "gaffes", he'd logically try to avoid doing it in future. Instead he built his Presidential campaign on it by making up the Mexican Rapist Conspiracy and the Muslim Ban to name two just off the top of my head. These aren't gaffes. They're not "poorly worded but sensible" policies, they're just straight-up racist/xenophobic bullshit.

He profits politically from divisiveness. He's all about driving wedges. It got him elected in 2016, he figures it's his only chance to get elected now, coupled with attacking and manipulating the election process with every trick he/they can come up with.

 

[Muse]

Here's a poignant comment to a typically detailed and spot on piece currently on display at the New York Times website entitled "Tuesday’s Debate Made Clear the Gravest Threat to the Election: The President Himself"

Tuesday’s Debate Made Clear the Gravest Threat to the Election: The President Himself (Published 2020)

President Trump’s unwillingness to say he would abide by the result and his disinformation campaign about election fraud went beyond anything President Vladimir V. Putin could have imagined.

www.nytimes.com

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Trump's support of the Proud Boys during last night's debate has justified my family's growing fears these past few years. There is now no doubt that he will encourage the extremists of his white nationalist base to begin targeting us.

My family are all native-born American citizens of Middle Eastern ancestry. (My grandparents, Assyrian Christians, came from Iran). And last year a number of us (our family, and several other close friends of various backgrounds) joined together and have a group plan to try to avoid being victims of Trump's militias. This is our plan, and will be for the next few months: We are not going out alone by ourselves. We will not take our children outside any more than we have to. We check in with everyone daily. We all have house keys to each other's homes. We have a safe word to text, or say to each other when we call, to alert them to a problem. We have some vehicles stocked up with supplies, should leaving our homes be necessary. It goes without saying that all of our passports are current.

And yes, we now have guns. Something we never thought to purchase before this "president" took office. But Trump's message to the Proud Boys last night was clear: he will let them target us with impunity.

I say all this not as some wild-eyed teenager. I'm in my 60's. I was born in Chicago. And five years ago, I would have never imagined that my family would need plans like this. This is the America some of us now live in.

 

[interchange]

I tried to tell blackie that. Any quote with good sentence structure is not him. He's just reading it. You can tell that from his Twitter feed. Reading a prepared statement just gives him deniability. What he blurts out is what he really feels.

It doesn't matter. He has 17 examples of Trump denouncing white nationalism / extremist groups. And many of those very examples are an attempt to recover from the failure to do so in a different situation. But we don't need to look at words. We can look at actions. And eliminating anti-extremist violence programs and altering intelligent reports to downplay white nationalist terrorist threats are quite clear. Or you could just ask a white supremacist whether Trump supports them. They'll tell you all you need to know.

 

[Juiblex]

Proud boys being essentially the right's version of Antifa. I've had plenty of discussions about antifa here which coincidentally nobody had an issue with. I'm not surprised you don't get that the right is going to respond to antifa with their own group of thugs. Hate breeds hate. You made your bed. Lie in it.

I also found you clowns humourous when you bridged the gap with proud boys to misogyny which is the same as racists. No other group can filter everything through a racist lense as well as you antifa supporting types. There is a reason trump was elected. You all are idiots.

 

[HomerJS]

Proud boys being essentially the right's version of Antifa. I've had plenty of discussions about antifa here which coincidentally nobody had an issue with. I'm not surprised you don't get that the right is going to respond to antifa with their own group of thugs. Hate breeds hate. You made your bed. Lie in it.

I also found you clowns humourous when you bridged the gap with proud boys to misogyny which is the same as racists. No other group can filter everything through a racist lense as well as you antifa supporting types. There is a reason trump was elected. You all are idiots.

Hate breeds hate , yet you have no problem with the President of the United States the loudest bullhorn in the country promoting, celebrating and advocating for violence. Where was your so called anti-hate mouth then? This kind of violence on the street is a phenomenon of this administration. It wasn't happening during Obama. When did anyone ever contemplate a POTUS not only calling for violence but attacking unarmed citizens peacefully protesting (Lafayette Park). Where was your outcry then?

For the sake of accuracy Antifa are not the "left", they are anarchists. You do like Trump and attempt to conflate Antifa, BLM and terrorism when DHS and the FBI already identified the #1 terrorism threat is white nationalism.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hate breeds hate , yet you have no problem with the President of the United States the loudest bullhorn in the country promoting, celebrating and advocating for violence. Where was your so called anti-hate mouth then? This kind of violence on the street is a phenomenon of this administration. It wasn't happening during Obama. When did anyone ever contemplate a POTUS not only calling for violence but attacking unarmed citizens peacefully protesting (Lafayette Park). Where was your outcry then?

For the sake of accuracy Antifa are not the "left", they are anarchists. You do like Trump and attempt to conflate Antifa, BLM and terrorism when DHS and the FBI already identified the #1 terrorism threat is white nationalism.

I see someone has conveniently forgotten the bowling greene massacre

 

[mikeymikec]

I wanted to find a reasonable source for the video showing santorum say it, but I haven't found it.

https://imgur.com/a/SEnxT4u

The most popular comment on that post has the video.

 

[HomerJS]

And for every "I'm totally not a white supremacist" statement from Trump, we probably have at least 5 that strongly suggests he is. If he wasn't a white supremacist, after one or two "gaffes", he'd logically try to avoid doing it in future. Instead he built his Presidential campaign on it by making up the Mexican Rapist Conspiracy and the Muslim Ban to name two just off the top of my head. These aren't gaffes. They're not "poorly worded but sensible" policies, they're just straight-up racist/xenophobic bullshit.

You forgot the "Mexicans can't do their jobs as federal judges. Clearly not racist, right??????

 

[SMOGZINN]

The 'will you denounce white supremist' question was supposed to be a softball question. Something that Trump, or really any politician, should have been able to easily hit out of the park, and Trump failed. No matter why you think he failed, it points to a serious problem. Trump was unable to give a direct answer a question that any reasonable person should have been able to easily answer. Even if he had to lie about it. It is not like Trump has any problem lying about things.
So, pick you poison. Why could Trump not say that simple thing that should be a basic ground floor for politics in America? No matter what excuse you come up with, it all points to the same thing: Trump is unfit to lead a boy scout troop, much less a nation.

 

[Muse]

Proud boys being essentially the right's version of Antifa. I've had plenty of discussions about antifa here which coincidentally nobody had an issue with. I'm not surprised you don't get that the right is going to respond to antifa with their own group of thugs. Hate breeds hate. You made your bed. Lie in it.

I also found you clowns humourous when you bridged the gap with proud boys to misogyny which is the same as racists. No other group can filter everything through a racist lense as well as you antifa supporting types. There is a reason trump was elected. You all are idiots.

Good luck in your alternate reality, you're gonna need it. Antifa means anti-fascism. Anti-antifa means pro-fascism. Sig heil, lockstep to Armageddon and your doom. You made YOUR bed, check it out. Bridge the gap from Proud Boys to misogyny? I believe PB are all male, what gap are you talking about? It's the women who will save us here. Show some respect.

 

[mikeymikec]

The 'will you denounce white supremist' question was supposed to be a softball question.

It's a tough one when one has no morals.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump is psychologically and physically incapable of denouncing his supporters, and ONLY his supporters. He may try, but his brain goes into auto pilot and then he adds some bothsidedoit. He’s powerless to stop it.

 

[dank69]

Good luck in your alternate reality, you're gonna need it. Antifa means anti-fascism. Anti-antifa means pro-fascism. Sig heil, lockstep to Armageddon and your doom. You made YOUR bed, check it out. Bridge the gap from Proud Boys to misogyny? I believe PB are all male, what gap are you talking about? It's the women who will save us here. Show some respect.

I found this educational:

 

[HomerJS]

I found this educational:

The only thing this proves is he's done this before

 

[dawp]

The only thing this proves is he's done this before

and enjoys it.

I think the only reason trump couldn't denounce nazis is someone else suggested it.

 

[rommelrommel]

Proud boys being essentially the right's version of Antifa. I've had plenty of discussions about antifa here which coincidentally nobody had an issue with. I'm not surprised you don't get that the right is going to respond to antifa with their own group of thugs. Hate breeds hate. You made your bed. Lie in it.

Well umm, no.

Anti-fa is anti-fascism. You don’t really hear or see much from them when there are no proto-fascist movements to be against. The proud boys aren’t a reaction to antifa, it’s the other way around.

When antifa starts promoting ethnostates and such lemme know.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Rick Santorum said The reason Trump didn’t renounce/condemn them is because they are HIS supporters. That statement, in of itself is pretty telling

People wonder ‘Why? ... What does he get out of supporting awful people?’ Let’s remember first what he got in the beginning: he got strong support within the Republican party itself. Trump made it damn hard to assault him from a purity standpoint, which is how many incumbent candidates begin to deteriorate. The politics of Karl Rove still lives on: for todays Republicans in particular, it really is about consolidating power within the base, and then motivating them to go to the polls.

Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham…they all know that Trump can’t be attacked from the right because Trump figured out that their party relied heavily on race baiting. This was true long before 2015; it’s just that Trump had the balls to actually come out and define the party publicly in that fashion. The Republican party of today has become, and now is the party of racists. Plain and simple. Some Republicans want to believe that it isn’t, but it is.

 

[thilanliyan]

The Republican party of today has become, and now is the party of racists. Plain and simple. Some Republicans want to believe that it isn’t, but it is.

But but buuuut...the Dems were the racists like 500 yrs ago!!!

There...saved everyone a bunch of posts I hope lol