Why aren't we doing anything about Syria??

[ProfJohn]

We are bombing the hell out of Libya but seem to be ignoring Syria. Meanwhile at least 1000 people have been killed by the Syrian regime since the protests started.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/syria/index.html

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind helping the people of Libya but not the people of Syria?

Removing the Syrian regime would do so much more for us geopolitically. Libya was pretty much minding their own business and hasn't done much on the world stage in years.

Syria on the other hand is still causing all kinds of problems in the middle east. Their leadership killed the leader of Lebanon. They prop up Hezbollah and provide weapons to them. And after years of silence on their border with Israel they are now paying people to protest and storm the border resulting in the death of a dozen or more people.

So can someone please explain to me why Obama is silent on the whole Syrian thing?

 

[Zorkorist]

This is a pretty unusual time. We have the people of Arab nations attacking their leaders.

I might say, we saw this 2 years ago in Iran too.

Obama, has stayed his course, and only jumped in to Libya when it was politically suicidal, not too.

-John

 

[Zebo]

They got oils? No? Then divide and kill themselves is just fine. Actually good.

 

[Zorkorist]

Yesterday, apparently, was the anniversary of Tinamen Square, and the man that stood before tanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

-John

 

[Craig234]

You have a point, but aren't one to talk - you tell me why you are silent on, say, the US's role in the killing of elected President Allende, and maybe you can talk.

As for Hezbollah - that's what happens when you arm the other side for your own 'political power projected in the region'. We can sponsor violence, they can't.

Talk to your president, Bush, about why he ignored the Iranian offer to stop the Hezbollah policies in 2003.

 

[Zorkorist]

They got oils? No? Then divide and kill themselves is just fine. Actually good.

Nah, Zebo.

They are people, just trying to advance their life. (Those that aren't Religious, which is most of them).

-John

 

[Zebo]

lol sure, advancing sharia is not what I call advancement but whatever - bashar will kill them until they STFU we won't do nothing.

 

[Zorkorist]

You underestimate the people, Zebo.

They will win.

-John

 

[Zebo]

You underestimate the people, Zebo.

They will win.

-John

I've been around longer than you like when I was 10 i remember hama massacre...when you wipe out a whole town has a way of putting damper on revolutionaries. This regime is not above that.

 

[Zorkorist]

That's why this is so special, Zebo.

This is Arab on Arab. Or in the case of Iran, Persian on Persian.

This is what we have all been waiting for in the West, is a Reformation in Islam.

-John

 

[Zebo]

Arab makes no difference in middle east, after all they are mostly Arab, it's all about religion, if you tell me religion of people I can tell you way it goes. Alawites, are the ruling party in Syria, are a religious sec, that will never let majority sunni rule I don't care if they have to kill everyone of them, god is on their side.

 

[Zorkorist]

See that's where you and they are wrong.

The people will prevail.

The United States is in part an escape from Religion, and no one can say we didn't win that battle.

The people of Arabia, have been stomped on by their political and religous leaders, but they, the same as we are DONE WITH IT!

They are fighting back, and history will look to us, The United States, to see how or if we helped them.

-John

 

[cubby1223]

Yesterday, apparently, was the anniversary of Tinamen Square, and the man that stood before tanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

-John

Also is the anniversary of the start of the Six-Day War with Israel.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

This thread needs LL preaching to everyone about what the rest of the world wants.

 

[Zorkorist]

It could use people that post on topic.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Also is the anniversary of the start of the Six-Day War with Israel.

Let's hope that is the last time two religions collide.

-John

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It could use people that post on topic.

-John

You ask way too much of P&N.

 

[Zorkorist]

Heh, touche, Chicken.

What can I say, I was on a roll.

-John

 

[werepossum]

You have a point, but aren't one to talk - you tell me why you are silent on, say, the US's role in the killing of elected President Allende, and maybe you can talk.

As for Hezbollah - that's what happens when you arm the other side for your own 'political power projected in the region'. We can sponsor violence, they can't.

Talk to your president, Bush, about why he ignored the Iranian offer to stop the Hezbollah policies in 2003.

Sometime when I'm not working all night I'm gonna laugh my ass off at the concept of Iran offering to stop the "Hezbollah policies".

I have no idea why Obama jumped on Libya and not the many other nations where the same things are happening, but I remain convinced he has a reason. I'm assuming that it involves France, the UK and Germany and their pressing national interests, but it's possible that there is a pressing US national interest of which he's not speaking because of security concerns. ProfJohn is right about Syria being so much more useful to us geopolitically, but State is talking up Bassar as a "reformer" so that's not going to happen. Besides, even with just air power there's a limit to how many nations we can take on at a time.

 

[cubby1223]

Sometime when I'm not working all night I'm gonna laugh my ass off at the concept of Iran offering to stop the "Hezbollah policies".

While I was going to laugh at the concept of dismissing an opinion because one is not outspoken enough concerning a different event which took place just shy of 40 years in the past

 

[Lonbjerg]

That's why this is so special, Zebo.

This is Arab on Arab. Or in the case of Iran, Persian on Persian.

This is what we have all been waiting for in the West, is a Reformation in Islam.

-John

No.

What I have been waiting for (being form Europe) is that superstion leaves politics...worldwide....for good.
I look on with horror when I see how religion infects politics in the US...just as I look on with horror when I see religion holdning the middleast in a chokehold...

 

[Zorkorist]

Ah, well, I know we still have trouble with politics, and religions. But it's everyone's freedom to be as politic, or religous as they want.

In Arabia, they are shooting for the Bill of Rights.

Simple things that every person has the right to enjoy.

-John

 

[Lonbjerg]

Ah, well, I know we still have trouble with politics, and religions. But it's everyone's freedom to be as politic, or religous as they want.

In Arabia, they are shooting for the Bill of Rights.

Simple things that every person has the right to enjoy.

-John

The religious in the Us would do the same if they had the pwoer to do so.
I still look at (Un)intelligent Design, killing of arbortion doctors and the use of the word "god" in public office to be signs that the US is haunted by superstion in it's politics.

And religion is the guding line for the US policy towards Isreal...something that has done more hram than good.

Don't think islam is more violent than other religions...that would be an own goal.

 

[Zorkorist]

We escaped Religion in Europe, back then, Lon. We left, when you became to overbearing.

We established a country based on laws, and with a Bill of Rights.

You may cringe at the word, God, but our Society has used that word and concept to it's benefit for 200 years,

We can, however succeed without God, as our laws are written by man.

-John

 

[Lonbjerg]

We escaped Religion in Europe, back then, Lon. We left, when you became to overbearing.

The way I see it the religious thrash left Europe...and Europe got better from it.

We established a country based on laws, and with a Bill of Rights.

And yet, you choose to invoke superstion in your public oaths...says it all...theocracy in disguise.

You may cringe at the word, God, but our Society has used that word and concept to it's benefit for 200 years,

Yup, new kid on the block..and still needs to learn a lot...fast.

We can, however succeed without God, as our laws are written by man.

-John

I would call that dishonest.
There are more atheists than gays and jews combined.
Show me politicians that are openly declared atheists?

The sad truth is that unless you kiss the ass of "god"...you are dead in US politics...so much for "written by man" :thumbsdown: