why aren't speed limits set into cars?

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Mill

Get over yourself.

No. I refuse to abdicate to someone who doesn't have a valid point, much less someone who has the IQ of a Klinefelter's sufferer. Know your place in life. I can't say I'm going to let you shine my shoes anytime soon. I might let you wash my window at a traffic light, but nothing more jackass.

Excellent. Now you are determining my IQ from one post on an internet message board. Does that make you feel like a big boy?

You don't know anything about me that everyone else on here already knows. Know my place in life? You need to get a life.

You doofus. You just jumped on to me for making assumptions, but then you go and do the same thing. I'd say that kind of idiocy gives me a fairly decent idea of your IQ right there. That is -- unless you had some type of hidden point there. But no, the internet doesn't make me feel like a big boy. I leave that to the hookers I pick up on Thursday nights. Do you really expect me to take you seriously? I've smited greater opponents when I was half-trying. Know your place. I'm not about to waste good flames and my mental matter on you!

I can't believe I am up at 3:45 arguing with anyone. Tell me what assumption I made? No, I don't expect you to take me seirously, because this is all a joke. Its a fvcking internet message board, it shouldn't be taken seriously.

Lets understand what really is going on here. You flame for a reason; to make you feel superior. That is fine with me. If you need such a thing to do so, go right ahead. I don't see why you are getting so angry though.

Edit: Just so you know, I wasn't trying to start anything by my first statement.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Mom, Dad, quit screaming! Why do you have to fight? Please stooooop!!!

 

[SilentZero]

Freedom to speed

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: B00ne
They already do. Here all (domestic) cars (that can go that fast except Porsche) adhere to the self imposed speed limit of 156.25 mph. However, I would say that is plenty

I was about to be like, "Domestic Porsche? Jiggawhaaaa?" when I saw you live in Germany... What are M5s and M3s governed at? Or the Audi RS6? They can get up close to 200mph, right?

If u take out the chip limiting them to 156 - probably

 

[acemcmac]

Fvck all of this sh!t.... I want the thing that goes BLING that thraxes and akemyst were talking about when I break the sound barrier....

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: B00ne
They already do. Here all (domestic) cars (that can go that fast except Porsche) adhere to the self imposed speed limit of 156.25 mph. However, I would say that is plenty

I was about to be like, "Domestic Porsche? Jiggawhaaaa?" when I saw you live in Germany... What are M5s and M3s governed at? Or the Audi RS6? They can get up close to 200mph, right?

If u take out the chip limiting them to 156 - probably

So Porsche breaks the "gentlemans agreement"? Is that only w/ the GT , or with the 911 as well?

 

[B00ne]

all Porsches. However, afaik the vanilla 911 doesnt go much more than 156 anyway. I think the Boxter doesnt reach 156 - would prolly make u loose your scalp anyway

 

[TitanDiddly]

Emergency situations.

 

[brian_riendeau]

Does anyone here just NOT speed? I hit 85+ on a regular basis just driving to work and home. Sometimes when passing vehicles that could be a hazard (like a truck towing a modulr home that is all over the road) I get up to 100 mph to make the pass as quickly and safely as possible.

If all cars were limited to 75mph, it would be way more dangerous than it is now. Every car would be going the "same" speed and people and trying to pass each other and manuver around with a 2 or 3 mph speed differential from the speedo being off.

Most accidents occur because the driver is a dumbass, not because of the speed involved.

 

[PingSpike]

Its really a moot point since if the government forced automakers to put them in and enforced it, everyone would just have them removed most likely.

Plus, they make mucho revenue off speeding tickets.

 

[Vic]

God, these forums are falling to sh!t.

Anyway, 3 reasons:

- The ability to exceed the speed limit in an emergency situation is a safety feature. Anyone who doesn't understand this should have their license revoked.

- Speed limits vary from state to state and location to location.

- Speeding fines are huge money makers for local governments.


Think about it, if speed limits really are safety features, then why does an old beat-up poorly-maintained car with bad tires have the same speed limit as a brand-new sports car? Why does the loaded semi-truck that takes 500 feet to stop have the same speed limit as the car than takes 120 feet? Why does the 85 year-old who can barely see or hear and the 16 year-old who's had his license for 2 weeks have the same speed limit as the 30 year-old in his prime?
If driving slower is so much safer, then why not drop the speed limits on the highways to 25 mph? Virtually no one could die in an accident at that speed while whether you wreck at 56 mph or 54 mph, you're still likely to be dead (passenger cars are not as safe as race cars, and won't be until people agree to wear fire suits, 4-point harness, helmets, and head-and-neck restraint systems).

If you think you're a safe driver simply because you don't speed, then you suffer from some very foolish (and someday fatal) overconfidence.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Vic
God, these forums are falling to sh!t.

Anyway, 3 reasons:

- The ability to exceed the speed limit in an emergency situation is a safety feature. Anyone who doesn't understand this should have their license revoked.

- Speed limits vary from state to state and location to location.

- Speeding fines are huge money makers for local governments.


Think about it, if speed limits really are safety features, then why does an old beat-up poorly-maintained car with bad tires have the same speed limit as a brand-new sports car? Why does the loaded semi-truck that takes 500 feet to stop have the same speed limit as the car than takes 120 feet? Why does the 85 year-old who can barely see or hear and the 16 year-old who's had his license for 2 weeks have the same speed limit as the 30 year-old in his prime?
If driving slower is so much safer, then why not drop the speed limits on the highways to 25 mph? Virtually no one could die in an accident at that speed while whether you wreck at 56 mph or 54 mph, you're still likely to be dead (passenger cars are not as safe as race cars, and won't be until people agree to wear fire suits, 4-point harness, helmets, and head-and-neck restraint systems).

If you think you're a safe driver simply because you don't speed, then you suffer from some very foolish (and someday fatal) overconfidence.

You are confusing a speed limit with the speed required to drive at. Technically that car that can't stop quickly should be driving slower...

Only problem with that is 10mph and less than what traffic is flowing at is much more dangerous than even 20mph faster.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Only problem with that is 10mph and less than what traffic is flowing at is much more dangerous than even 20mph faster.

This is poor logic - it is true though that driving at the speed of traffic, even if that speed is modeately excessive for the conditions - is safer than driving either slower or faster than the traffic.

*Of course* car need to be able to exceed the speed limit. For example, as far as I know there is no jurisdiction that requires passing to be accomplished while adhering to the speed limit; my undersanding has always been "pass the other car quickly and safely, then return to your normal speed".

From what I've seen, most luxury cars (BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar) capable of high speeds are limited to 155mph. True sports cars capable of exceeding these speeds are generally not limited; after-all it is almost 'expected' that these cars will see time at a track or some such place, where they might exceed any electronic limit.

 

[PingSpike]

I think we can all agree that if everyone just gets the hell out of my way, I'll get to work faster.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
police wouldn't support that; tickets for speeding and other minor infractions are their lifeline. politics.

It's all about the money from speeding tickets. Every other reason in this thread is wrong.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Only problem with that is 10mph and less than what traffic is flowing at is much more dangerous than even 20mph faster.

This is poor logic - it is true though that driving at the speed of traffic, even if that speed is modeately excessive for the conditions - is safer than driving either slower or faster than the traffic.

*Of course* car need to be able to exceed the speed limit. For example, as far as I know there is no jurisdiction that requires passing to be accomplished while adhering to the speed limit; my undersanding has always been "pass the other car quickly and safely, then return to your normal speed".

From what I've seen, most luxury cars (BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar) capable of high speeds are limited to 155mph. True sports cars capable of exceeding these speeds are generally not limited; after-all it is almost 'expected' that these cars will see time at a track or some such place, where they might exceed any electronic limit.

Poor logic? That was a proven fact 10mph slower is a very dangerous speed to be at.

As far as WTF are you talking about in the next two paragraphs. The speed limit must be followed even when passing at least here in Palm Beach County, Florida. I believe that is the law everywhere in america. (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/outreach/safesobr/15qp/web/pdf/fastlane.pdf was a quick link that also shows this on a .gov site)

And the 155mph limit is due to tire ratings (usually Z which is rated at over 149....but nothing specific, however 155 is considered a 'safe' limit.)

AMG can electronically raise your limit of 155 to 186 if you select Y rating tires or 168 with W rated.

please understand WTF you are responding too and don't pull heresy you have heard out your tailpipe.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Find me someone who was ticketed for a speed moderately above the speed limit while passing on a two-lane road. Really, go ahead and do it. You cannot pass someone who is going 3-5mph below the limit, on a two lane road, not exceed the speed limit, and claim to have done it safely; you are simply exposed to traffic in the other direction for too long.

Your link clearly refers to left-lane passing, not 'opposite direction lane' passing. Obviously if there are speed limits at all, they apply whether there is a car in the travel lane to the right of yours or not. This is a complete no-brainer and I'm sorry if my response was not clear on what I was talking about.

I would think just as obvious is the part where luxury cars, despite excellent performance, are equipped wth tires designed for comfort and speed, rather than pure balls-to-the-wall performance.

I'm well aware that going slower than the speed of traffic is not safe. Going faster than the speed of traffic is also unsafe as it normally involves a large number of lane changes, or frequent passing when done on two-lane roads. It also *always* involves increasing your stopping distance compared to cars travelling at the speed of traffic. Going at the same speed as traffic is, in most cases the safest choice.

Feel better now?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I think we can all agree that if everyone just gets the hell out of my way, I'll get to work faster.

Agreed.


And 3chordcharlie, you are wrong. On a multi-lane divided controlled access highway (aka freeway), driving slower than the flow of traffic is more dangerous than driving faster than the flow. Think of it this way: when all the cars are travelling at the same velocity then, relative to each other, they are not moving at all. A vehicle travelling slower than the flow is moving backwards relative to the other vehicles and impeding the flow. A vehicle travelling faster is moving forwards relative to the other vehicles and does not impede the flow. <edit: and yes, it is technically illegal to exceed the speed limit at any time, even when passing on a 2-lane, although you could possibly get off by the pleading an emergency situation if the cop and/or judge was cool>

In simple terms, highway speed limits are the result of (1) local government desire for ticket revenue, (2) insurance company paranoia, and (3) criminally inadequate driver education, training, and licensing standards in the US.
Were all those areas to be improved, there would be no reason why speed limits could not be dramatically increased.

I would mention relatively poor vehicle safety standards, but that has improved greatly in the last 20 or so years.
The original 55 mph speed limit was imposed in 1973 by the federal government in response to the oil crisis and rising fuel prices, and had nothing to do with vehicle safety (it was repealed in 1996, but its legacy remains). Prior to 1973, highway speed limits were 70 mph throughout most of the country, and vehicles had lap belts only (no shoulder belts), no air bags, bench seats without head restraints, bias ply tires, relatively primitive suspensions (compared to modern cars), and 4-wheel drum brakes.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes I am fully aware of that, however, It's not too tough to install U or W or even Z rated tires (though it could get expensive). Of course I could always buy one of those chip replacements, I don't think its worth the 200 to 300 that it would cost. Also, I don't think I would drive it over 118 anyhow, I'm just saying that the car is computer limmited, rather than limmited by the engine,gearing ratio, and drag .... thus its being blocked from achieving its full potential.

Yes, but the rationale behind the limitation is different, it's not a comparable situation. I really wasn't clear about that in my post, sorry.

ZV

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: atom
A majority of production cars have speed limiters......

They have governors, but none are set so low as 80mph. It's usually somewhere in the 110mph+ range.

I think the main reason we don't have them is that even though people support speed limits for whatever reason, they'd get pissed at the idea of the government actually MAKING them obey those limits. Too much of a restriction on personal freedom.

I have wondered that question myself sometimes, though...and it freaks me out to think that it might one day happen.

why set the speed limit to 80 when you can have them driving 110+, incarcerate them and fine them for reckless driving eeeeeeeeeeeek!

 

[yukichigai]

If speed limits were set into cars it would overly complicate matters. Situations can arise where you need to speed up and/or break other traffic laws in order to not die. Not to mention certain emergencies, etc. At the moment there is not technology sufficient enough to autonomously determine when speeding is necessary (i.e. Artificial Intelligence) so it's not going to happen. Not to mention the inherant risks of such a system. In order for it to work the system would have to be informed of the speed limits as they changed, either by remote transmission or by reading the signs. If it is by remote transmission that leaves potential security holes for black hat hackers to exploit, (imagine restricting every car on I-5 through LA to 5 mph) and if is by reading the signs any number of things can screw that up.

At the moment the best you could hope to get is a monitoring system that doesn't enforce the limit but records every time it is exceeded. The records could be reviewed, and explained, at a later date. Of course that's rather Big Brother-ish for my tastes.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
Local governments wouldn't support that; tickets for speeding and other minor infractions are their lifeline. politics.

Fixed. We (the Police) see no direct benefits from revenue gained from the various infractions. Perhaps if it spans a number of years and thus creates a surplus in the City's coffers we'll get a little thrown our way, but there are fixed annual budgets for all the City's Departments.

 

[JulesMaximus]

There are, my car won't go above 147 mph. That is the speed limit of my car.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Find me someone who was ticketed for a speed moderately above the speed limit while passing on a two-lane road. Really, go ahead and do it. You cannot pass someone who is going 3-5mph below the limit, on a two lane road, not exceed the speed limit, and claim to have done it safely; you are simply exposed to traffic in the other direction for too long.

Your link clearly refers to left-lane passing, not 'opposite direction lane' passing. Obviously if there are speed limits at all, they apply whether there is a car in the travel lane to the right of yours or not. This is a complete no-brainer and I'm sorry if my response was not clear on what I was talking about.

I would think just as obvious is the part where luxury cars, despite excellent performance, are equipped wth tires designed for comfort and speed, rather than pure balls-to-the-wall performance.

I'm well aware that going slower than the speed of traffic is not safe. Going faster than the speed of traffic is also unsafe as it normally involves a large number of lane changes, or frequent passing when done on two-lane roads. It also *always* involves increasing your stopping distance compared to cars travelling at the speed of traffic. Going at the same speed as traffic is, in most cases the safest choice.

Feel better now?

Problem is I couldn't find you someone that has gotten a normal 10mph speeding ticket, yet alone passing.

Moderate speeding (whatever that means) is sometimes not ticketable...(under 5mph over the limit can get only a warning, unless a special zone I believe).

If someone is going only 3-5mph under the limit, even if 10mph or more you don't have a right to pass unless you can do some obeying the speedlimit.

Once you get your license this should be clear, for now stick with Gran Turismo.

I understood your original post, and my own reply completely....you can hash this to death you will still be wrong.

 

[skace]

I wish my car was limited to 60. I would never have to think about it. 60 in the cities, 60 on highways, everywhere 60. I'd just have a little "Go 60" button.