Why are some people so obsessed with their heritage?

[thirdlegstump]

I noticed the same thing. IME, people from poor nations seem to display this type of pride.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: ironwing
For a poor Mexican it is just about impossible to immigrate to the U.S. legally. The hurdles are too high and the process too complicated.

First of all, I don't believe that, but if you are in fact THAT poor, you probably would not survive in America.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Except white people.

Note: I'm speaking about minorities who were born and raised in America.

Why do so many minorities take so much pride in some culture and country they're not really a part of?

Perfect Example: African Americans often refer to Africa as the "mother land." But most have never been to Africa or even know what it's like. Many are also into "dashikis" (colorful robes) and those cylinder shaped hats.

Many Hispanics and Asians also are quite enthralled with their backgrounds.

I'm white and mostly German. In fact I'm a descendant of one of Germany's most famous politicians (no, not Hitler), but I don't care much about German culture or care really. If I traveled to Germany, I wouldn't be like, "Oh, I'm back in my homeland."

I don't sit arounding drinking warm beer and eating sausage.

Why do so many minorities feel the need to drown themselves in their ethnic backgrounds?

Please note, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just curious to know. Why be so proud of something you were born into?

What about Irish people on St. Patrick's day? Why aren't you complaining about them, Hitler?

It's only 1 day out of the blood year.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: YoshiSato
It's only 1 day out of the blood year.

The "blood" year? Sounds gruesome.

 

[ballmode]

Pride

 

[Molondo]

As opposed to St. Patrick Day?

Nearly everyone celebrates that day.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: savoyboy
As opposed to St. Patrick Day?

We went over this, read the thread. No one is celebrating their heritage on St Patrick's Day. They're celebrating a chance to get loaded and wear leprechaun hats.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: fitzov

For a poor Mexican it is just about impossible to immigrate to the U.S. legally. The hurdles are too high and the process too complicated.

Do you really believe that or is it propaganda for the masses? Go look at the INS website and lookup 'H visa'. Then go look at how many visas were given to Mexican nationals compared to other nationals (hint: they top the list). Impossible my ass.

From the INS website:

An immigrant is someone who is not a U.S. citizen but has been authorized to permanently live and work in the United States. If you want to become an immigrant, you must go through a three-step process. First, the USCIS must approve an immigrant petition for you, which is usually filed by an employer or a relative for you. Second, a visa number, through the State Department must be immediately available to you, even if you are already in the United States. If you receive an immigrant visa number, it means that an immigrant visa has been assigned to you. Third, if you are already in the United States, you may apply to adjust to permanent resident status after a visa number becomes available for you. (If you are outside the United States when an immigrant visa number becomes available for you, you must then go to your local U.S. consulate to complete your processing.)

U.S. law limits the number of immigrant visa numbers that are available every year. This means that even if the USCIS approves an immigrant visa petition for you, you may not get an immigrant visa number immediately. In some cases, several years could pass between the time USCIS approves your immigrant visa petition and the State Department gives you an immigrant visa number. In addition, U.S. law also limits the number of immigrant visas available by country. This means you may have to wait longer if you come from a country with a high demand for U.S. immigrant visas.

For more information on how to apply for an employee to become an immigrant, please see How Do I Apply for Immigrant Status Based on Employment? In addition, please see our resources about bringing relatives to live in the United States. For more information on adjusting to permanent resident status, please see How Do I Become a Lawful Permanent Resident while in the United States?

What Does the Law Say?
The Immigration and Nationality Act is a law that governs the admission of all immigrants to the United States. For the part of the law concerning immigrant visa numbers, please see INA § 201, INA § 202, and INA § 203.

Who is Eligible?
People who want to become immigrants are divided into categories based on a preference system. The immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, which includes parents, spouses and unmarried children under the age of 21, do not have to wait for an immigrant visa number to become available once the application filed for them is approved by the USCIS. An immigrant visa number will be immediately available for immediate relatives of U.S. citizens. The relatives in the remaining categories must wait for a visa to become available according to the following preferences:

First Preference: Unmarried, adult sons and daughters of U.S. citizens. Adult means 21 years of age or older.


Second Preference: Spouses of lawful permanent residents, and the unmarried sons and daughters (regardless of age) of lawful permanent residents and their children.


Third Preference: Married sons and daughters of U.S. citizens, their spouses and their minor children.


Fourth Preference: Brothers and sisters of adult U.S. citizens, their spouses and their minor children.
All people who want to become immigrants based on employment must wait for an immigrant visa number to become available according to the following preferences:

First Preference: Priority Workers including aliens with extraordinary abilities, outstanding professors and researchers, and certain multinational executives and managers.


Second Preference: Members of Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of Exceptional Ability.
Third Preference: Skilled Workers, professionals and other qualified workers.


Fourth: Certain special immigrants including those in religious vocations.


Fifth: Employment Creation Immigrants.
How Do I Apply for an Immigrant Visa Number?
You do not directly apply for an immigrant visa number. In most cases, your relative or employer sends a visa petition to the USCIS for you (the beneficiary) to become an immigrant. (Certain applicants such as priority workers, investors, certain special immigrants, and diversity immigrants can petition on their own behalf.) USCIS will tell the person who filed the visa petition (the petitioner) if the visa petition is approved. USCIS will then send the approved visa petition to the Department of State's National Visa Center, where it will remain until an immigrant visa number is available. The Center will notify you (the beneficiary of the application) when the visa petition is received and again when an immigrant visa number is available. You do not need to contact the National Visa Center, unless you change your address or there is a change in your personal situation that may affect your eligibility for an immigrant visa. You may contact the National Visa Center by writing to: The National Visa Center; 32 Rochester Avenue; Portsmouth, New Hampshire 03801-2909.

Tell me again how a poor Mexican gets a visa? A Mexican who has no relatives in the U.S. already and lacks an advanced decree or special skill?

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: saahmed
Firstly I dont really understand why you cant be proud of something if it was not your choice.

Because you didn't earn it.

You cannot be proud of something you did not earn or help create yourself.

What are you talking about? Being proud of who you are is not like being proud of some sort of accomplishment. I can be proud of something I choose to follow such as a religion or a custom. It has nothing to do with earning something or creating something. I simply choose to follow the customs of the culture that I have grown up in (through my parents).

What did I earn? The right to be called a terrorist by some idiot white kids? Or the right to smell like spicy Pakistani food?

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: fitzov

For a poor Mexican it is just about impossible to immigrate to the U.S. legally. The hurdles are too high and the process too complicated.

Do you really believe that or is it propaganda for the masses? Go look at the INS website and lookup 'H visa'. Then go look at how many visas were given to Mexican nationals compared to other nationals (hint: they top the list). Impossible my ass.

They top the list becuase they are the ones who have the most applications. Maybe look at the ratio of ppl who received and those who did not. BTW- its almost impossible for anyone to get one. I know several ppl overseas who have been trying for years to get a visa. Some just decided to go to Canada.

 

[saahmed]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Is that a feeble attempt at jsutification?😕

You do it, everyone does it, it is absolutely stupid not to.

You do not need to know every person of a certain category in order to get an accurate guage on their traits.

So you see someone walking past in the hallway. They're of a certain race. And you automatically know exactly what type of person they are?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: saahmed

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Is that a feeble attempt at jsutification?😕

You do it, everyone does it, it is absolutely stupid not to.

You do not need to know every person of a certain category in order to get an accurate guage on their traits.

So you see someone walking past in the hallway. They're of a certain race. And you automatically know exactly what type of person they are?

JL Gatsby does!

 

[Shawn]

I dunno. My grandfather came to this country when he was 19 from Italy and my mom's entire family is 100% italian and they are all strict catholics. I don't really give a crap about my heritage though, nor was I raised a catholic. My dad's family on the other hand have been here from the beginning. Guess i was never around my mom's family enough for any of their culture to rub off on me.

 

[sygyzy]

What an idiot. I have never seen a black person refer to Africa as the motherland. I have never seen them wear colorful robes either. You know what's worse than a second or third generation minority still "into" their heritage? Whites who have been here for a dozen generations and feeling so left out of having any sort of ethnic identity, they have to resort to mentioning all the blood history, particularly that they are 1/32 Native American.

 

[winr]

Lot of skin color bashing in this thread.

I am color blind, if you are a decent person I dont care where you are from or the color of your skin.
I like the way we are different, it would be boring if we were all the same and we could not tell one from the other.

I am also an American, I enjoy all the things I receive as an American.

I dont think it really comes down to where we are from.
Kids from the same Family will fight over the smallest things.

Strangers will fight over perceived insults.

If we were all the same color and the same size we would find something to fight about.

It seems to me that culture is just a way of thinking or upbringing and in the end people will argue and fight about who is right or wrong.



🙂

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: saahmed
So you see someone walking past in the hallway. They're of a certain race. And you automatically know exactly what type of person they are?

No, not one person, but I DO KNOW what the majority of a certain type of people are like.

Not only of racial, but I also know regional, gender, social-economic, and cultural majority opinions.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell me again how a poor Mexican gets a visa? A Mexican who has no relatives in the U.S. already and lacks an advanced decree or special skill?

1. Get on telephone.
2. Ask for one.
3. Fiesta!

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: savoyboy
wtf?!!! where do you hear this? I don't know any black american refer to Africa as the "mother land"

I can't believe more people don't know this.

I hear it all the time.

Ask any black person where the "mother land" is, they will say "Africa!" without batting an eye.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: ironwing
Tell me again how a poor Mexican gets a visa? A Mexican who has no relatives in the U.S. already and lacks an advanced decree or special skill?

1. Get on telephone.
2. Ask for one.
3. Fiesta!

Yeah, thousands risk death in the desert to sneak into the U.S. illegally because they just can't be bothered to make a single phone call. 😕

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Yeah, thousands risk death in the desert to sneak into the U.S. illegally because they just can't be bothered to make a single phone call. 😕

Oh well then explain it! Tell me why it's so hard.

Because I don't believe it is.

And if you're too dumb to be able to gain entry into the US legally, you're probably not intelligent enough to hack it in America.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: ironwing
Yeah, thousands risk death in the desert to sneak into the U.S. illegally because they just can't be bothered to make a single phone call. 😕

Oh well then explain it! Tell me why it's so hard.

Because I don't believe it is.

And if you're too dumb to be able to gain entry into the US legally, you're probably not intelligent enough to hack it in America.

It is kept hard in order to maintain an exploitable labor force. Illegal workers aren't as prone to demanding fair wages as legal workers. Businesses like that in a worker. The key is balanced enforcement. Send enough folks back to keep the ones here living in fear of deportation but don't crack down so hard as to prevent employers from finding workers. Greed based law enforcement.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: ironwing
It is kept hard in order to maintain an exploitable labor force. Illegal workers aren't as prone to demanding fair wages as legal workers. Businesses like that in a worker. The key is balanced enforcement. Send enough folks back to keep the ones here living in fear of deportation but don't crack down so hard as to prevent employers from finding workers. Greed based law enforcement.

That's right. "The mans" keepin' them down, right? By making it too "hard"?

Reminds me of the people who say the SAT is racist because it's too "hard."

If you want to come to America that bad, you'll figure out a way to get a visa.

If you cannot figure it out, you're too dumb to live in America.

 

[Colt45]

Just because you're an uncultured ****** doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Enjoy your cheeseburger tubby. :thumbsup:

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Colt45
Just because you're an uncultured ****** doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Enjoy your cheeseburger tubby. :thumbsup:

I'm 5 foot eleven and I weigh 120lbs and I look like a supermodel, nice try.

And I'm very cultured, moreso that 99% of the people on this forum, but I don't consider eating some 100 year old dish that was once eated by village people to be "cultured."

"Cultured" is art, philosophy, and sophistication and I'm burgeoning from the seams with it.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Colt45
Just because you're an uncultured ****** doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Enjoy your cheeseburger tubby. :thumbsup:

I'm 5 foot eleven and I weigh 120lbs and I look like a supermodel, nice try.

And I'm very cultured, moreso that 99% of the people on this forum, but I don't consider eating some 100 year old dish that was once eated by village people to be "cultured."

"Cultured" is art, philosophy, and sophistication and I'm burgeoning from the seams with it.

Very true good sir, there must be something wrong with all these gents that they could even think of accusing you, a person they know only by posts on a web forum and generalizations, of lacking culture. However, I must say, your self-proclaimed supermodel looks make you sound a little arrogant, surely if you look that good you have some photographs to share?

 

[Juno]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Juno
OP, i'm not very obsessed with my heritage.

i'm korean and i don't plan on marrying a korean woman. i rather to break the generation. it's okay to show pride but that's who they are.

Good for you.....everyone knows the mixed races are the REAL hotties....my highschoool used to have an ever-increasing korean population and the mixed ones were gorgeous....

ha if i ever marry a white woman we'd breed hottest daughters.