Why are Repubs so against Obamacare?

[boomerang]

Ahh, the usual suspects, regurgitating talking points from their media. This bill and its implementation is a failure of the left. The left owns it lock, stock and barrel. If it makes you sleep better at night keep blaming as you always do, the right. Everyone knows where the blame lies. Everyone laughs at your persistent juvenile idiocy.

"Show me where the right suggested this and the right suggested that! Huh? Come on, show me!" What a sad, sad argument if one could even call it an argument. You are pathetic losers backing pathetic politicians. This is how adults act that have never left childhood behind them. Create an enormous fucking mess, demand someone else straighten it out and them blame them because they're not doing it right.

Go run some other country into the ground - please.

 

[Jhhnn]

I dont need a link, when the president is offered a year extension and refuses to take on a bill that does not work, we are in a very partisan world. The president could have been bipartisan taken the year extension offered and come smelling like a rose. Now he having a tough time rinsing off the stink that came the bill.

So, uhh, your contention that Repubs want to improve the ACA, that they've attempted to actually do so is quite empty. All they've tried to do is kill it, postpone it, discredit it, claim it's a failure when it hasn't even begun.

I sincerely thought maybe you'd bring in some information I'd overlooked. My mistake.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ahh, the usual suspects, regurgitating talking points from their media. This bill and its implementation is a failure of the left. The left owns it lock, stock and barrel. If it makes you sleep better at night keep blaming as you always do, the right. Everyone knows where the blame lies. Everyone laughs at your persistent juvenile idiocy.

"Show me where the right suggested this and the right suggested that! Huh? Come on, show me!" What a sad, sad argument if one could even call it an argument. You are pathetic losers backing pathetic politicians. This is how adults act that have never left childhood behind them. Create an enormous fucking mess, demand someone else straighten it out and them blame them because they're not doing it right.

Go run some other country into the ground - please.

The false attributions in that are astounding.

20 years ago, the Heritage Foundation came up with some ideas as a counter to Hillarycare. They & Hillarycare were both shelved. Years later, Massachussetts Dems picked up that plan worked it over with the help of then Gov Romney, instituted Romneycare. Gongressional Dems saw that it worked, mistakenly believed that Repubs might support what was a framework they had originated. Not a chance. So they advanced it on their own, with some begrudging input from Repubs.

Yes, it's the Dems plan, although it probably would have been a lot different and a lot better had they never tried to woo Repubs into cooperating.

Nobody's asking Repubs to fix anything, so you really shouldn't pretend that they are. What's being asked of Repubs is to get out of the way, let the ACA stand or fail on the basis of actual results. Not a chance of that, either, because Repubs are scared to death of the idea that it just might work, and that it'll favorably change the way Americans look at govt in general. That'd be a slap right up the side of their ideological cocksuckers, build up what they've been tearing down for decades.

 

[monovillage]

“no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. "

-Barack Obama

He lied- end of story. Anyone that supports him and ACA lie- end of story.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The false attributions in that are astounding.

20 years ago, the Heritage Foundation came up with some ideas as a counter to Hillarycare. They & Hillarycare were both shelved. Years later, Massachussetts Dems picked up that plan worked it over with the help of then Gov Romney, instituted Romneycare. Gongressional Dems saw that it worked, mistakenly believed that Repubs might support what was a framework they had originated. Not a chance. So they advanced it on their own, with some begrudging input from Repubs.

Yes, it's the Dems plan, although it probably would have been a lot different and a lot better had they never tried to woo Repubs into cooperating.

Nobody's asking Repubs to fix anything, so you really shouldn't pretend that they are. What's being asked of Repubs is to get out of the way, let the ACA stand or fail on the basis of actual results. Not a chance of that, either, because Repubs are scared to death of the idea that it just might work, and that it'll favorably change the way Americans look at govt in general. That'd be a slap right up the side of their ideological cocksuckers, build up what they've been tearing down for decades.

One might asked the question...why did Romneycare work so well and Obamacare failing so miserably? Therein lies the rub.

 

[charrison]

So, uhh, your contention that Repubs want to improve the ACA, that they've attempted to actually do so is quite empty. All they've tried to do is kill it, postpone it, discredit it, claim it's a failure when it hasn't even begun.

I sincerely thought maybe you'd bring in some information I'd overlooked. My mistake.

Well they also have put votes to things that are not working as well. The fact is, when you pass a bill without a getting a single vote from the other side, you should not be surprised when other side continually does not want it. This will was in fact crammed down on the public and you sit there in shock that no one wants it.


Republicans brought ideas to the table when the bill was being written, but the were sent aside because there were the minority party. The bill has cone due now and your party owns it.

 

[boomerang]

The false attributions in that are astounding.

20 years ago, the Heritage Foundation came up with some ideas as a counter to Hillarycare. They & Hillarycare were both shelved. Years later, Massachussetts Dems picked up that plan worked it over with the help of then Gov Romney, instituted Romneycare. Gongressional Dems saw that it worked, mistakenly believed that Repubs might support what was a framework they had originated. Not a chance. So they advanced it on their own, with some begrudging input from Repubs.

Yes, it's the Dems plan, although it probably would have been a lot different and a lot better had they never tried to woo Repubs into cooperating.

Nobody's asking Repubs to fix anything, so you really shouldn't pretend that they are. What's being asked of Repubs is to get out of the way, let the ACA stand or fail on the basis of actual results. Not a chance of that, either, because Repubs are scared to death of the idea that it just might work, and that it'll favorably change the way Americans look at govt in general. That'd be a slap right up the side of their ideological cocksuckers, build up what they've been tearing down for decades.

You're full of shit Jhhnn. You can't even face reality because your brain is so enamored of an ideology that caved in on itself decades ago. Quit blaming others for your shortcomings. Quit blaming others for your failed plans. Quit going through mental gymnastics trying to find any reason why your ideology is failing again.

Obamacare is failing because of some vast right-wing conspiracy - in your mind. The notion that Republicans are somehow pulling strings to make Obamacare fail is just a manifestation of your paranoia. When faced with an enormous failure of proportions perhaps never seen before, like a child, you blame everyone and everything but yourself. There are Republicans lurking in every shadow and behind every tree wreaking havoc on something you so desperately wanted! THEY are to blame! Republicans! The Heritage Foundation! Romney! Massachusetts!

Rosebud!

Your defense mechanisms are transparent. You are a pathetic individual that is incapable of facing reality. But your opinion is meaningless. You are a mindless Marxist drone spewing out the party line on an internet forum. I just wanted you to know that we see through your bullshit.

 

[bozack]

One might asked the question...why did Romneycare work so well and Obamacare failing so miserably? Therein lies the rub.

Romney care doesn't work well at all from a cost standpoint, since they are skyrocketing and nothing was done to curb costs initially, only in 2012 did they finally try to constrain the rate of growth but who knows how well that will work

and while they boast that only 3-4% are uninsured here what they don't mention is that over 68% of newly insured are heavily or completely subsidized by taxpayers

Plus getting in to see a good doctor is now more of a challenge given the higher demand, many simply refusing to take new patients

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ous-leaders/Ybp4abvqXW0k05I8iTk9aM/story.html

 

[jonks]

One might asked the question...why did Romneycare work so well and Obamacare failing so miserably? Therein lies the rub.

Probably something to do with cooperation. Amazing what a republican can accomplish when he isn't beholden to far right extremists.

 

[boomerang]

Romney care doesn't work well at all from a cost standpoint, since they are skyrocketing and nothing was done to curb costs initially, only in 2012 did they finally try to constrain the rate of growth but who knows how well that will work

and while they boast that only 3-4% are uninsured here what they don't mention is that over 68% of newly insured are heavily or completely subsidized by taxpayers

Plus getting in to see a good doctor is now more of a challenge given the higher demand, many simply refusing to take new patients

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ous-leaders/Ybp4abvqXW0k05I8iTk9aM/story.html

Thank you for sharing this information. It's a work in progress that more than likely will have to be shelved because the inherent flaws are too great.

Like Social Security and Medicare, it's a derivation of a pyramid scheme. It can't work over the long haul. And the definition of 'long' in this instance is key.

We have far too few makers and far too many takers. Maybe that is just a temporary or cyclical situation. That's something for deeper thinkers than myself to ponder. Regardless, it's the situation that we're in right now. Even if it's a situation that will eventually correct itself, the ebbs and flows of our economy and our way of life don't lend themselves to long term plans that are dependent on lots of people supporting lots of other people. Right now, we have few people supporting lots of people. Too many collecting benefits with too few contributing.

Why are defined pension benefit plans going away? Not because corporations are evil as the progressive left believe, it's because the math doesn't work. You can't escape the math. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Why is Social Security in dire straights? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Why is Medicare in dire straights? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

So, let's double down and start up a government mandated health care program. Why won't it work? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Now, we've heard this countless times before and we're going to hear it again. Right here in this thread. 'There are no problems with SS and Medicare'. That's bullshit. People who want things, people who don't care about details, who don't care about the math, who don't care that there are too many takers and not enough makers are yet again going to declare that there are no problems with these social programs. Let them lie to themselves if they wish. But whatever you do, don't let them establish public policy or extend public policy on bad math. You can't escape the math. The brighter among us have already figured out it's too late. They're creating policy.

So here we are today. Victims of the math and not just victims, we're charging headlong into another ginormous social program that cannot succeed. Why? Because of the math. This math aspect is really getting to be a drag.

Now, while it's easy to label our elected representatives in DC as all being a bunch of nincompoops, that's not necessarily the case. A number of them realize that we are in deep, deep trouble. They have what they would like us to believe is an answer. It does not involve belt-tightening in any way. It's an answer that will not work as it is yet another Band-Aid on the bleeding artery. It has not been touted as the answer because if they publically admit there is a problem with our entitlement society, there could be panic. So, they will trot this out and hope it keeps us afloat until they are out of office, or out of the country or dead or whatever will keep them above the fray.

What is it? Why it's immigration reform. Tens of millions of people injected into our economy will hopefully keep out entitlement programs sustainable. For how long? Until they are out of office, out of the country, etc., etc.

Why won't it work? Math is at the core of why it won't work. Jobs is the biggest reason. There aren't enough of them. The progressive left would like you to believe that all these illegals are working hard every day, contributing to our economy and that they are just longing to pay SS, Medicare, federal, state and local taxes. They aren't. Many aren't working, they're collecting benefits. Many that are working are working under the table. Why in the hell would they want to take home far, far less? That means less for them and less for them to send back to the country they came from. It's not the answer and common sense tells us so.

We are in deep, deep shit. Our way of life is not sustainable. We have borrowed from Peter to pay Paul over and over and over. Instead of shrinking our out of control spending, instead of curtailing our out of control methodology, we have doubled down on it. The Progressive left, who are in control of our nation, want you to believe that all is well. That it's under control and that we can do 'so much more'. Yes we can! To put it plainly, they're idiots. Keep electing them and there is no hope for redemption. It's as certain as the math.

 

[Moonbeam]

You're full of shit Jhhnn. You can't even face reality because your brain is so enamored of an ideology that caved in on itself decades ago. Quit blaming others for your shortcomings. Quit blaming others for your failed plans. Quit going through mental gymnastics trying to find any reason why your ideology is failing again.

Obamacare is failing because of some vast right-wing conspiracy - in your mind. The notion that Republicans are somehow pulling strings to make Obamacare fail is just a manifestation of your paranoia. When faced with an enormous failure of proportions perhaps never seen before, like a child, you blame everyone and everything but yourself. There are Republicans lurking in every shadow and behind every tree wreaking havoc on something you so desperately wanted! THEY are to blame! Republicans! The Heritage Foundation! Romney! Massachusetts!

Rosebud!

Your defense mechanisms are transparent. You are a pathetic individual that is incapable of facing reality. But your opinion is meaningless. You are a mindless Marxist drone spewing out the party line on an internet forum. I just wanted you to know that we see through your bullshit.

Actually, this rather brilliantly express project is a dead ringer for how the science says a conservative brain works. It would perhaps even be convincing in a vacuum of understanding where personal opinion counts. Fortunately, we have the data now to know that what is expressed in your post isn't so much true of Jhhnn as it is of the usual conservative delusional state. Inside your altered reality space ship falling through space, you scream out that gravity does not exist, certain of the truthiness of your case.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually, this rather brilliantly express project is a dead ringer for how the science says a conservative brain works. It would perhaps even be convincing in a vacuum of understanding where personal opinion counts. Fortunately, we have the data now to know that what is expressed in your post isn't so much true of Jhhnn as it is of the usual conservative delusional state. Inside your altered reality space ship falling through space, you scream out that gravity does not exist, certain of the truthiness of your case.

Actually Obamacare is the epitome of truthiness. It's falling flat on it's face right out of the starting gate yet the left refuses to accept that.

 

[michal1980]

Actually, this rather brilliantly express project is a dead ringer for how the science says a conservative brain works. It would perhaps even be convincing in a vacuum of understanding where personal opinion counts. Fortunately, we have the data now to know that what is expressed in your post isn't so much true of Jhhnn as it is of the usual conservative delusional state. Inside your altered reality space ship falling through space, you scream out that gravity does not exist, certain of the truthiness of your case.

still posting this nonsense. moonf* get help.

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you for sharing this information. It's a work in progress that more than likely will have to be shelved because the inherent flaws are too great.

Like Social Security and Medicare, it's a derivation of a pyramid scheme. It can't work over the long haul. And the definition of 'long' in this instance is key.

We have far too few makers and far too many takers. Maybe that is just a temporary or cyclical situation. That's something for deeper thinkers than myself to ponder. Regardless, it's the situation that we're in right now. Even if it's a situation that will eventually correct itself, the ebbs and flows of our economy and our way of life don't lend themselves to long term plans that are dependent on lots of people supporting lots of other people. Right now, we have few people supporting lots of people. Too many collecting benefits with too few contributing.

Why are defined pension benefit plans going away? Not because corporations are evil as the progressive left believe, it's because the math doesn't work. You can't escape the math. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Why is Social Security in dire straights? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Why is Medicare in dire straights? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

So, let's double down and start up a government mandated health care program. Why won't it work? The math doesn't work. Too many takers - not enough makers.

Now, we've heard this countless times before and we're going to hear it again. Right here in this thread. 'There are no problems with SS and Medicare'. That's bullshit. People who want things, people who don't care about details, who don't care about the math, who don't care that there are too many takers and not enough makers are yet again going to declare that there are no problems with these social programs. Let them lie to themselves if they wish. But whatever you do, don't let them establish public policy or extend public policy on bad math. You can't escape the math. The brighter among us have already figured out it's too late. They're creating policy.

So here we are today. Victims of the math and not just victims, we're charging headlong into another ginormous social program that cannot succeed. Why? Because of the math. This math aspect is really getting to be a drag.

Now, while it's easy to label our elected representatives in DC as all being a bunch of nincompoops, that's not necessarily the case. A number of them realize that we are in deep, deep trouble. They have what they would like us to believe is an answer. It does not involve belt-tightening in any way. It's an answer that will not work as it is yet another Band-Aid on the bleeding artery. It has not been touted as the answer because if they publically admit there is a problem with our entitlement society, there could be panic. So, they will trot this out and hope it keeps us afloat until they are out of office, or out of the country or dead or whatever will keep them above the fray.

What is it? Why it's immigration reform. Tens of millions of people injected into our economy will hopefully keep out entitlement programs sustainable. For how long? Until they are out of office, out of the country, etc., etc.

Why won't it work? Math is at the core of why it won't work. Jobs is the biggest reason. There aren't enough of them. The progressive left would like you to believe that all these illegals are working hard every day, contributing to our economy and that they are just longing to pay SS, Medicare, federal, state and local taxes. They aren't. Many aren't working, they're collecting benefits. Many that are working are working under the table. Why in the hell would they want to take home far, far less? That means less for them and less for them to send back to the country they came from. It's not the answer and common sense tells us so.

We are in deep, deep shit. Our way of life is not sustainable. We have borrowed from Peter to pay Paul over and over and over. Instead of shrinking our out of control spending, instead of curtailing our out of control methodology, we have doubled down on it. The Progressive left, who are in control of our nation, want you to believe that all is well. That it's under control and that we can do 'so much more'. Yes we can! To put it plainly, they're idiots. Keep electing them and there is no hope for redemption. It's as certain as the math.

Do you really believe this nonsense? I STRONGLY encourage you to try your hand at some math. Basically nothing in this post is anything more than fact free nonsense.

Math is a bitch. You'll find that out once you start using it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm not Republican but I'm against it. Has to do with the issues of the law (and the realities of health care in this country), not partisanship...at least for me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually Obamacare is the epitome of truthiness. It's falling flat on it's face right out of the starting gate yet the left refuses to accept that.

No, yours is the truthiness statement because it is refuted by the scientific evidence. Your brain defect prevents you from seeing that you can't just announce your opinion as fact particularly when the scientific data runs the other way. But you will continue to do this over and over again because you are blind to reality. You and other conservatives have been doing this all your lives but science let the cat out of the bag. You no longer get to announce your unsubstantiated opinions as facts. The altered reality you imagine is real has been unmasked. The genie's out of the bottle and can't be put back. I know you would love to convince rational minds of the truth of your delusions but it's not going to happen. Pee off the cliff all you want. I'm here to provide an updraft.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

^ More psychobabble from our resident paranoid schizophrenic

 

[Jhhnn]

You're full of shit Jhhnn. You can't even face reality because your brain is so enamored of an ideology that caved in on itself decades ago. Quit blaming others for your shortcomings. Quit blaming others for your failed plans. Quit going through mental gymnastics trying to find any reason why your ideology is failing again.

Obamacare is failing because of some vast right-wing conspiracy - in your mind. The notion that Republicans are somehow pulling strings to make Obamacare fail is just a manifestation of your paranoia. When faced with an enormous failure of proportions perhaps never seen before, like a child, you blame everyone and everything but yourself. There are Republicans lurking in every shadow and behind every tree wreaking havoc on something you so desperately wanted! THEY are to blame! Republicans! The Heritage Foundation! Romney! Massachusetts!

Rosebud!

Your defense mechanisms are transparent. You are a pathetic individual that is incapable of facing reality. But your opinion is meaningless. You are a mindless Marxist drone spewing out the party line on an internet forum. I just wanted you to know that we see through your bullshit.

More false attribution. I suspect that your ideological filters scramble all incoming information so that it'll fit through a very narrow right wing aperture to mesh with the other lies you seem to believe so fervently.

You attribute "failure" to the ACA even though it hasn't even taken full effect. The parts of it that have been in place for some while aren't a failure, at all. The federal website was a mess at inception, no doubt, but it's getting better, and states who adopted the medicare extension have what I understand to be good web access. The Colorado site works just fine.

So part of what we're seeing are self inflicted wounds by the states who opted out of the medicare extension, and we've seen numerous attempts & tantrums by Repubs to defund the ACA. That's what the last threat to shut down the govt was all about, iirc. And it'll fail to provide much of what's available in the refusenik states, too, but that's apparently the way they want it- they want it to fail. Otherwise, they'd act differently.

What you refuse to recognize is that Repubs' opposition is purely political & partially ideological. In their own words-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y

"Obama's Waterloo", remember?

That's still the strategy, the goal, mostly because they're intellectually bankrupt & ideologically hamstrung otherwise. They went into obstruction mode from the beginning of the Obama presidency, with the ACA just being part of it. If they can't run the country, they'll be damned if they'll let anybody else.

 

[row]

i guess one of the first things that struck me reading through the posts was for all of their cheer leading, i couldn't find one fact or figure that supports the progressives religious like adherence and belief in the aca, an unproven commodity.

someone back there squeeked, well, give it time, don't judge before it's had a chance. reminds me of pignosi telling us commoners "we'll know what's in it after we pass it". these in a nutshell are examples of leftists best attempt at critical thinking, problem solving. it is as if their thought process induces a trance like illusion of understanding, of reality.

just struggle through what jerry brown's 70's persona posts, the guy talks about being driven insane, not realizing that he arrived and has been sitting in the station for quite some time. the poor fella that initiated this thread seems to wonder why the rest of America is not like massachusetts? i mean. really? then there's the denver resident, i don't know, maybe it's the rareified air at the mile high city. a lack of oxygen does wonders to confine and restrict the growth of healthly brain cells. attempting to validate berriecare by using Stuart Butler's heritage foundation plan shows an extreme lack of understanding. they are not only, not the same, they are not even similar.

concerns made by those opposed to berriecare were not specifically addressed in any meaningful manner by resident progressives. vomiting on the page and declaring it a discussion is pretty much what socialists do, so there is that i suppose. but, listen, it's evident from your responses that english is a second language. your complete avoidance in directly answering very simple statements suggests that your ability is not equal to your ambition. i know, in your circles it considered a feature and not a bug. good try though!

 

[Matt1970]

No, yours is the truthiness statement because it is refuted by the scientific evidence. Your brain defect prevents you from seeing that you can't just announce your opinion as fact particularly when the scientific data runs the other way. But you will continue to do this over and over again because you are blind to reality. You and other conservatives have been doing this all your lives but science let the cat out of the bag. You no longer get to announce your unsubstantiated opinions as facts. The altered reality you imagine is real has been unmasked. The genie's out of the bottle and can't be put back. I know you would love to convince rational minds of the truth of your delusions but it's not going to happen. Pee off the cliff all you want. I'm here to provide an updraft.

And yet there is reality looking you smack dap in face. You can veer to the left, or the right, but it is still there. It will always be there. The sooner you can accept it, the better off you will be.

 

[IGBT]

because it's the imposition of Big Gov.will on the people. And it's not an equitable solution.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Main reason is because it is a huge government program. It'll keep growing. 60% of our budget is related to Social Security, medicare, safety net, and federal benefits. Another 20% is for military. Huge government programs have an inertia. They always tend to grow. They never go away, even if there is no use for them.

That is a very solid point. Yet the other reasons listed such as "It does not actually address the issue of rising costs of which lead to high prices" or that "It relies on pushing higher costs unto young and healthy individuals who are hit with additional costs and eventual higher prices so that they have to pay for the medical cost associated by treating the elderly or grievously sick and thus being young and healthy individuals lose financial benefit for being young and/or healthy" or maybe the impact it has on the job market, and benefits offered in such a market etc being gutted are also pretty valid points and provide added meat to your original foundational point.

 

[Jhhnn]

i guess one of the first things that struck me reading through the posts was for all of their cheer leading, i couldn't find one fact or figure that supports the progressives religious like adherence and belief in the aca, an unproven commodity.

someone back there squeeked, well, give it time, don't judge before it's had a chance. reminds me of pignosi telling us commoners "we'll know what's in it after we pass it". these in a nutshell are examples of leftists best attempt at critical thinking, problem solving. it is as if their thought process induces a trance like illusion of understanding, of reality.

just struggle through what jerry brown's 70's persona posts, the guy talks about being driven insane, not realizing that he arrived and has been sitting in the station for quite some time. the poor fella that initiated this thread seems to wonder why the rest of America is not like massachusetts? i mean. really? then there's the denver resident, i don't know, maybe it's the rareified air at the mile high city. a lack of oxygen does wonders to confine and restrict the growth of healthly brain cells. attempting to validate berriecare by using Stuart Butler's heritage foundation plan shows an extreme lack of understanding. they are not only, not the same, they are not even similar.

concerns made by those opposed to berriecare were not specifically addressed in any meaningful manner by resident progressives. vomiting on the page and declaring it a discussion is pretty much what socialists do, so there is that i suppose. but, listen, it's evident from your responses that english is a second language. your complete avoidance in directly answering very simple statements suggests that your ability is not equal to your ambition. i know, in your circles it considered a feature and not a bug. good try though!

Somebody apparently feels the need to create a duplicate account.

I really don't know how well the ACA will work, never claimed to. OTOH, I have pointed out that the usual denialists are doing an awful lot of projecting from their armchair quarterback positions. You're claiming the game is over & the score settled before it really even starts.

Your claim that the ACA is unlike the heritage plan is mere assertion, as well, very convenient assertion in the usual fashion. The personal mandate aspect certainly was part of the original Heritage idea. The information is trivially easy to find-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

The rest is merely personal attack, lashing out in denial so as to avoid looking at your own propaganda driven faith based position.

Repubs were for it before they were against it, yet claim they were always opposed. That's revisionist history at its most blatant.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is a very solid point. Yet the other reasons listed such as "It does not actually address the issue of rising costs of which lead to high prices" or that "It relies on pushing higher costs unto young and healthy individuals who are hit with additional costs and eventual higher prices so that they have to pay for the medical cost associated by treating the elderly or grievously sick and thus being young and healthy individuals lose financial benefit for being young and/or healthy" or maybe the impact it has on the job market, and benefits offered in such a market etc being gutted are also pretty valid points and provide added meat to your original foundational point.

It just piles the whole stinking mess higher & deeper. Employer sponsored group plans, what the vast majority of insured Americans have, do the same sort of cost averaging across age & risk groups. It always has, because that's how group insurance works.

 

[TerryMathews]

It just piles the whole stinking mess higher & deeper. Employer sponsored group plans, what the vast majority of insured Americans have, do the same sort of cost averaging across age & risk groups. It always has, because that's how group insurance works.

True, however the young and healthy always had the option of purchasing their own individual policy that took into account the odds of a young person getting sick (far lower than an older person).

Again, this is a serious point: what do you think the AARP generation would do if we applied the same pricing restriction to automobile insurance?

Turnabout is fair play. Time for the elderly to start "paying their fair share."