Why are Repubs so against Obamacare?

[charrison]

Because President Obama proposed the bill (modeled on a conservative think tank proposal) before a Republican was able to on a national level.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/graphics/2010/022310-bill-comparison.aspx

If President Obama never made it an issue perhaps Governor Romney would not have tried to distance himself so much from the Massachusetts version during the 2012 campaign.

A bad idea then is a bad idea now.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm a repub, and I'm not against Obamacare. The status quo was not working with greatly increasing healthcare costs every year. So I was all for shaking up the healthcare landscape.

Obamacare has many issues for sure, but let's see where it is in 5 years.

Damned poor excuse for a Republican, too.

If you can't Hate-Um Obama! with all your heart, all your soul, and all your might, then you're a milquetoast RINO who should be drummed out of the Party.

You should hate it because Dems passed it, because they can't be granted any credibility at all. They're anti-merricuhn terrorist coddlin' gay marryin' big gubmint dependent Job Creator! hatin' assholes who make the baby Jesus cry & are led by a sekrit mooslim who wasn't born in this country.

Best get your facts straight & shape up, boy.

 

[Anarchist420]

health insurance should be like car insurance or homeowners insurance and there should be no patents on medicine.

and the Neo-Republicans are shitstains for not trying to drive that point home... all they do is whine and bitch about Pelosicare when they just stood there like retards for the 8 years Bush was president which allowed Pelosicare to happen.

all of that said, Neo-Republicans actually aren't against Pelosicare, theyre just against it because the opposite party got it passed... J Roberts supported it, Bush would rather have Pelosicare and Part D rather than have neither, and Romney even said he wouldnt repeal it.

 

[trenchfoot]

There are positives in the bills, but there are also huge negatives. It is more than past time to amend the law of the land and make it work better.

I'm impatient about it too, as I'd like to see how I can benefit from it as much as possible. Having being able to cover my kids under my health plan until they get/got their post grad degrees is/was a huge plus for me.

IMO, you make an excellent point by mentioning the need to make amendments to the law to make it work better. But to me it really depends on who it's going to make it better for. If the for-profit health care industry keeps on playing the system to wring it dry to the detriment of those whom the ACA was meant to benefit then I'd say that needs to be a remedy at the top of the list.

This tug-o-war that's going on between the desire of the health care industry to maximize profits and the real and present need to provide affordable health care for all is going to need some awfully adroit politicking up on the hill to get the ACA to float on an even keel what with the political agendas that are in play and the time constraints the American people are applying to it to allow it to pass or fail.

 

[Sonikku]

Because when it rolled out it had a lot of problems at first, unlike romneycare where everything was working right from day one.

 

[Jhhnn]

Main reason is because it is a huge government program. It'll keep growing. 60% of our budget is related to Social Security, medicare, safety net, and federal benefits. Another 20% is for military. Huge government programs have an inertia. They always tend to grow. They never go away, even if there is no use for them.

So, uhh, there's no use for Social Security, medicare, safety net, and federal benefits? Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Jhhnn]

There are positives in the bills, but there are also huge negatives. It is more than past time to amend the law of the land and make it work better.

Dunno that the balance is as you say, but amending the ACA would be a good idea, even a great idea. Well, until I look over the US HOR, realize that we can't let the Teatards get anywhere near it.

We'd probably agree as to some things that would make it better, too, but we'd both just be entertaining fantasy.

 

[charrison]

I'm impatient about it too, as I'd like to see how I can benefit from it as much as possible. Having being able to cover my kids under my health plan until they get/got their post grad degrees is/was a huge plus for me.

You could have done that before. High deductible plans for young adults were cheap.

IMO, you make an excellent point by mentioning the need to make amendments to the law to make it work better. But to me it really depends on who it's going to make it better for. If the for-profit health care industry keeps on playing the system to wring it dry to the detriment of those whom the ACA was meant to benefit then I'd say that needs to be a remedy at the top of the list.

Profit is not evil. We have terrible regulations in place that make health care expensive in this country. ACA did little to address that.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, what's limited is what you can actually post about. You would be lucky to post anything over Forest Gump's head.

I guess that must be your level then because the relevance of what I posted to the OP question is obvious to anybody who can think. If you knew anything, however, you would know that your low level of comprehension isn't due to any intellectual deficiency but the result of using what brains you have to deny reality. You will just have to accustom yourself to the fact you can't get anything right because you don't analyze, you rationalize.

 

[Moonbeam]

You could have done that before. High deductible plans for young adults were cheap.



Profit is not evil. We have terrible regulations in place that make health care expensive in this country. ACA did little to address that.

Do you think, probabilistically speaking, that Republicans or Democrats would be the more willing to try and fix it?

 

[Incorruptible]

Dunno that the balance is as you say, but amending the ACA would be a good idea, even a great idea. Well, until I look over the US HOR, realize that we can't let the Teatards get anywhere near it.

We'd probably agree as to some things that would make it better, too, but we'd both just be entertaining fantasy.

The Tea Party stands for the US Constitution. The only retard is you for attacking freedom.

 

[charrison]

Do you think, probabilistically speaking, that Republicans or Democrats would be the more willing to try and fix it?

No idea really. Republicans tried to offer many options to address root causes during the passage of ACA and all of them got shot down. REpublicans have been trying to pass changes only to be shot down. Will democrats actually allow the needed changes to make this work..I have no idea.


The politics in DC is extremely partisan right now...so I am not optimistic about anything getting fixed.

 

[Matt1970]

I guess that must be your level then because the relevance of what I posted to the OP question is obvious to anybody who can think. If you knew anything, however, you would know that your low level of comprehension isn't due to any intellectual deficiency but the result of using what brains you have to deny reality. You will just have to accustom yourself to the fact you can't get anything right because you don't analyze, you rationalize.

I guess I am hallucinating all the times you blame everything on Conservative Brain Defect. It's my secret hatred of myself that makes me do it. It's not really my fault, it's how my brain is wired. I know you love me for it and think I am an asshole at the same time. It's science.

 

[boomerang]

didn't some repubs vote yes when the bill was originally brought up to a vote?

No

heck, didn't repub Romney pass a version of obamacare in his state of Mass when he was gov?

A healthcare law was passed in Massachusetts. Are you trying to draw a correlation here? If so, please explain further.

Republicans are opposed to Obamacare for a variety of reasons.

• It gives the government control over one sixth of the economy.
• It does not address the core problem with health care in the country, that being out of control costs. It actually increases the cost of healthcare.
• It is a monstrous piece of legislation that few read and few understand. It's like blasting off a Saturn rocket for a moon mission and then deciding once the craft is in orbit how to get to the moon.
• It hurts the quality of healthcare through rationing inherent in it.
• It will increase our debt dramatically.
• It necessitated generating 10,535 pages of regulations.
• The rollout is a total disaster.
• The IRS is the enforcement arm for Obamacare. The IRS has proven themselves to be an agency that is incapable of nonpartisan enforcement.
• It was drafted using clever tricks that meant the CBO had to score the legislation without taking into account the negative ramifications that would occur after ten years.
• It double-counted in regards to Medicare. There was $500 billion set aside to sustain Medicare that was then used to fund Obamacare. How can the same funds be used for different purposes? Further, a large portion of the Medicare burden was shifted from the feds to the states. Where are the states to come up with that money? How many other budget gimmicks were used?
• Obama has made numerous changes in the law not through the process of amending the law but at his whim.
• It is a far-reaching piece of legislation that was poorly crafted, is being very poorly implemented and every week we get a new surprise.
• It has not reduced people's premiums by $2500 as promised.
• People are not able to keep their plans as promised in fact millions are losing their plans.
• People are not able to keep their doctor's as promised.
• Deductibles are being increased.
• Out of pocket expenditures are increasing.
• It mandates coverage that many don't need or will never be able to take advantage of.

These are just some of the reasons Republicans (and anyone that is capable of rational thought) are opposed to Obamacare. Now, I fully understand that none of these reasons are going to sway your opinion. I would venture a guess that nothing would sway your opinion. As is typical for the left, you are in love with the "idea" of Obamacare and how it is achieved, whether it is affordable or not or whether it accomplishes what it was set out to achieve is immaterial. You just want it.

 

[Doppel]

conservative brain defect, self-hate, etc.

Fifty

 

[jonks]

The Tea Party stands for the US Constitution. The only retard is you for attacking freedom.

Yeah, as it was originally written. Unfortunately, that was before the Civil War Amendments.

 

[Jhhnn]

No idea really. Republicans tried to offer many options to address root causes during the passage of ACA and all of them got shot down. REpublicans have been trying to pass changes only to be shot down. Will democrats actually allow the needed changes to make this work..I have no idea.


The politics in DC is extremely partisan right now...so I am not optimistic about anything getting fixed.

Link that up, OK?

Repubs offered up a lot of stuff, some of it attempting to be constructive, some of it intended to poison the bill. We need to remember that much of the conceptual framework was developed by Heritage in response to Hillarycare 20 years ago, and that the ACA is an attempt to extend Romneycare for the whole country.

There's also a fair amount of Repub input in the whole thing-

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/the-irony-of-obamacare-republicans-thought-of-it-first.html/

I could go on, but it's perfectly plain that well indoctrinated Righties can't hear me. Repubs set out to make the ACA into Obama's Waterloo, their own words, tossed aside any notion of bipartisanship or cooperation in the process. It was a setup for the backlash election of 2010, where they had purposely paralyzed the govt and somehow managed to blame Dems for it. They've been playing that game ever since, as well.

How many times has the HOR voted to repeal the ACA entirely vs how many times have they proposed & passed constructive changes?

I know that the count to de-fund, dismantle or destroy the ACA is somewhere north of 40. Perhaps you'll fill us in as to the constructive efforts they've made as well, rather than simply alleging that they exist.

 

[Incorruptible]

Yeah, as it was originally written. Unfortunately, that was before the Civil War Amendments.

Typical liberal moron who wants to classify an entire group of people as racist. STFU and drop the talking points.

 

[charrison]

Link that up, OK?

Repubs offered up a lot of stuff, some of it attempting to be constructive, some of it intended to poison the bill. We need to remember that much of the conceptual framework was developed by Heritage in response to Hillarycare 20 years ago, and that the ACA is an attempt to extend Romneycare for the whole country.

There's also a fair amount of Repub input in the whole thing-

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/the-irony-of-obamacare-republicans-thought-of-it-first.html/

I could go on, but it's perfectly plain that well indoctrinated Righties can't hear me. Repubs set out to make the ACA into Obama's Waterloo, their own words, tossed aside any notion of bipartisanship or cooperation in the process. It was a setup for the backlash election of 2010, where they had purposely paralyzed the govt and somehow managed to blame Dems for it. They've been playing that game ever since, as well.

How many times has the HOR voted to repeal the ACA entirely vs how many times have they proposed & passed constructive changes?

I know that the count to de-fund, dismantle or destroy the ACA is somewhere north of 40. Perhaps you'll fill us in as to the constructive efforts they've made as well, rather than simply alleging that they exist.

I dont need a link, when the president is offered a year extension and refuses to take on a bill that does not work, we are in a very partisan world. The president could have been bipartisan taken the year extension offered and come smelling like a rose. Now he having a tough time rinsing off the stink that came the bill.



Yes.. the left was only interested in what the republicans thought about it almost 2 decades ago. Not a single republican voted for this plan.

The left passed on removing the tax code the keeps insurance tied to employment( a major cause of loss of insurance)

the left passed making letting insurance be sold across state line, leaving most states in a near monopoly markets.

the left passed making prices transparent.

the left passed ....


All of these things would have in fact lowered insurance cost and made insurance more portable. Instead we got a huge bill that no one read and is full of unintended consequences which may very well leave more people uninsured vs the status quo.

 

[jonks]

Typical liberal moron who wants to classify an entire group of people as racist. STFU and drop the talking points.

It sucks when people use your own words against you doesn't it.

 

[Incorruptible]

It sucks when people use your own words against you doesn't it.

Keep trolling and acting like an idiot.

 

[umbrella39]

^^^ It sucks when your troll game has been blocked by everyone and you only see replies to their trollery, Doesn't libertarded one? So few feed this particular troll anymore they only log into this account to pick up the crumbs left on the bottom of the cage. This is what bottom feeders do. ^^^ Stop feeding the troll please, attention is what it seeks and it will create as many ways to garner it as possible.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Tea Party stands for the US Constitution. The only retard is you for attacking freedom.

Typical liberal moron who wants to classify an entire group of people as racist. STFU and drop the talking points.

First, drag out your usual nonsensical talking points- more of a chant, really, a lot like a little old lady reciting the rosary, over & over again, then admonish others to drop the talking points.

Your level of self awareness is astoundingly low, basically non-existent. Your faith in what you believe is equally astounding, considering that you've never questioned or examined it at all. A pocket tape recorder knows as much about what it plays back as you do.

 

[Incorruptible]

It sucks when your troll has been blocked by everyone and you only see replies to their trollery. So few feed this particular troll anymore they only log into this account to pick up the crumbs left on the bottom of the cage. This is what bottom feeders do. ^^^ Stop feeding the troll please, attention is what it seeks and it will create as many ways to garner it as possible.

So because I oppose big government and radical Islam and I exposed it I am a troll? You just want to shut down those who dare disagree with you.

First, drag out your usual nonsensical talking points- more of a chant, really, a lot like a little old lady reciting the rosary, over & over again, then admonish others to drop the talking points.

Your level of self awareness is astoundingly low, basically non-existent. Your faith in what you believe is equally astounding, considering that you've never questioned or examined it at all. A pocket tape recorder knows as much about what it plays back as you do.

STFU You miserable moron. All your posts are full of hate and insults. A pathetic excuse for a human being like you is of no concern to me. You probably got your ass kicked by a Constitutionalist and this is your way of getting back.

I have dealt with your type of scum before and they always spout BS and just run away like cowards when they lose the debate. Keep it up you moron.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So because I oppose big government and radical Islam and I exposed it I am a troll? You just want to shut down those who dare disagree with you.




STFU You miserable moron. All your posts are full of hate and insults. A pathetic excuse for a human being like you is of no concern to me. You probably got your ass kicked by a Constitutionalist and this is your way of getting back.

I have dealt with your type of scum before and they always spout BS and just run away like cowards when they lose the debate. Keep it up you moron.