Why are Repubs so against Obamacare?

[Matt1970]

Well presumably people being paid to analyze that could come up with a better estimate than I did in 3 minutes with Windows Calculator. Regardless, you seemed to think that it was insane to think that we could cover eight times as many people while only tripling our expenditures. I've shown that it is most certainly not insane to think so.

I'm pretty sure that if there is an inefficient government bureaucracy that you see wasting money you would waste no time in calling for its elimination. Why on earth would we want to preserve the wasteful and inefficient private insurance bureaucracy just because it's private sector?

As for the 'astronomical tax raises' you also forget that everyone would make more money (as there would be no more health care paid for by businesses), every product you buy would be cheaper as overall costs would be lower, etc, etc. The important thing is to focus on expenditures as a percentage of GDP. That tells us if we're really paying more or less money as a society.

Well all you need to do is look at what we have done to something as simple as education. We spend more per capita than any other nation yet rank 21st in quality of education.

 

[fskimospy]

Well all you need to do is look at what we have done to something as simple as education. We spend more per capita than any other nation yet rank 21st in quality of education.

And remember we're competing against heavily socialized education systems in other countries as well. Considering that, it seems clear that how socialized the education system is isn't the problem.

In that case it seems your argument is that America's government is uniquely incompetent. Since there's no indication that Americans themselves are any stupider or less capable than people in other nations that have their massively socialized education systems work more effectively than ours, I can only assume you mean there is some flaw in our structure of governance.

Would you call for altering the Constitution to make up for this deficiency? How else would you address it? Why do you think Americans are so incapable?

 

[Daverino]

You said it, they "switched", they weren't dropped from Blue Cross.

Correct.

Now when the rules for Medicaid change and you're now eligible so you move to Medicaid, did you 'lose' your insurance?

If it is less expensive for both you and your employer for you to purchase an exchange policy, did you 'lose' your insurance?

If your current insurer decides to no longer offer your policy type before your renewal and you need to choose a different policy, did you 'lose' your insurance?

If you're going along with the Republican talking points, then the answer is yes, you did lose your insurance.

It speaks nothing as to whether you can get comparable insurance at the same or lower costs. If you buy insurance on the open market, your policy is only good for 12 months, at which point you need to renew. The insurance companies have always been at liberty to alter or eliminate your policy. Nothing has changed. Seriously, stop taking shit that happened before the ACA and then blaming it on the law.

 

[BoberFett]

And remember we're competing against heavily socialized education systems in other countries as well. Considering that, it seems clear that how socialized the education system is isn't the problem.

In that case it seems your argument is that America's government is uniquely incompetent. Since there's no indication that Americans themselves are any stupider or less capable than people in other nations that have their massively socialized education systems work more effectively than ours, I can only assume you mean there is some flaw in our structure of governance.

Would you call for altering the Constitution to make up for this deficiency? How else would you address it? Why do you think Americans are so incapable?

This is a valuable observation that doesn't really work in either party's favor. It means that socialism isn't necessarily the boogieman that Republicans make it out to be. It also points to American government (or Americans in general) being fundamentally broken which doesn't support the Democrat's argument that the free market is to blame and that government needs to be put in charge of even more of our society.

One hundred years from now the US will make for fascinating dissection by historians, sociologists, and political scientists the world over.

 

[Daverino]

And remember we're competing against heavily socialized education systems in other countries as well. Considering that, it seems clear that how socialized the education system is isn't the problem.

In that case it seems your argument is that America's government is uniquely incompetent. Since there's no indication that Americans themselves are any stupider or less capable than people in other nations that have their massively socialized education systems work more effectively than ours, I can only assume you mean there is some flaw in our structure of governance.

Would you call for altering the Constitution to make up for this deficiency? How else would you address it? Why do you think Americans are so incapable?

Many of those countries have advantages that the United States does not. They are geographically smaller, more ethnically homogenous, and are monolingual. Only Canada and Australia are similar, but they have only a fraction of our population.

The United States is a politically unwieldy creature. Traditionally we've made up for this by have excesses of resources. We've been able to throw more money at our problems because we've had access to more money. I think universal healthcare is an example of a thing that smaller democracies can do better than larger ones. You can't impose things in America that you could in, say, Sweden. So I don't think it's a matter of government. We'd have these problems in any form of democracy. All we do now is glacially drift, hopefully, in the right direction. That's one reason the ACA drove so many people berserk. It was a big change. The sum of the minorities opposing it was louder than the majority supporting it.

 

[IGBT]

it's public policy based on lies / fraud / deceit.

 

[Moonbeam]

Many of those countries have advantages that the United States does not. They are geographically smaller, more ethnically homogenous, and are monolingual. Only Canada and Australia are similar, but they have only a fraction of our population.

The United States is a politically unwieldy creature. Traditionally we've made up for this by have excesses of resources. We've been able to throw more money at our problems because we've had access to more money. I think universal healthcare is an example of a thing that smaller democracies can do better than larger ones. You can't impose things in America that you could in, say, Sweden. So I don't think it's a matter of government. We'd have these problems in any form of democracy. All we do now is glacially drift, hopefully, in the right direction. That's one reason the ACA drove so many people berserk. It was a big change. The sum of the minorities opposing it was louder than the majority supporting it.

Their truthiness tells them they are entitled to be louder, they are the majority of screamers and truth is volume.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Their truthiness tells them they are entitled to be louder, they are the majority of screamers and truth is volume.

Just like your posts, repeat the same thing over and over it somehow becomes the truth.......well, in your mind that is.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just like your posts, repeat the same thing over and over it somehow becomes the truth.......well, in your mind that is.

OOPS. I'm just demonstrating that no matter how many times the truth is presented to you, you won't be able to hear it. Denial is confirmation. You're simply blind but I'm determined to help you. It's a bitter pill but that's how medicine is. The more bitter it is the better you are going to feel.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

OOPS. I'm just demonstrating that no matter how many times the truth is presented to you, you won't be able to hear it. Denial is confirmation. You're simply blind but I'm determined to help you. It's a bitter pill but that's how medicine is. The more bitter it is the better you are going to feel.

The most hilarous thing is I don't fit the conservative stereotype you constantly berate on in here. As for the medicine the only one that's been taking the bitter pill is you and it shines trough in your every post.

 

[Moonbeam]

The most hilarous thing is I don't fit the conservative stereotype you constantly berate on in here. As for the medicine the only one that's been taking the bitter pill is you and it shines trough in your every post.

'berate on' is improper grammar... Do you deny that?