Why are people so insistant on 9/11 conspiracies?

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: goku
Why are people so insistant on the fact that there is a 9/11 conspiracy? Kennedy assasination is eleventy billion times more likely than 9/11 to have been created by the govt. I don't see the motivation that the government would have in killing people in the planes, and in the pentagon and two towers..

Why are we so insistant?

Because there is a mountain of inaccuracies between what happened that day and what has been reported in the 9/11 Commission. Because WTC7 didn't get hit by a plane, but still feel just like the other WTC buildings did. Because government officials were warned not to fly planes the day before 9/11 happened. Because there are tapes of the Pentagon crash that still haven't been released other then a few indecipherable frames of one tape. Because Bin Laden was visited a week before 9/11 happened by CIA agents while at a hospital, but now we can't find him after 5 years of searching.

Goku.. if you can't understand WHY, then maybe you should do what I did and investigate what the media doesn't want to show because it is contrary to what the government has said is fact. Since 9/11, they have got their way with almost every kind of malicious act they want. From oil, to invasion, to constitutional RAPE. Just wait until 2012, this will be the JFK of our generation by then, and all these staunch defenders of our masochistic government who won't even consider their involvement will be left twiddling their thumbs.

Fine so it's all a conspiracy, while it seems plausable that it's all a conspiracy, can anybody explain WHY? I've yet to see a reason for the govt. waste their time on killing americans...

Don't you get it? It was all master-minded by Karl Rove so that 1) Bush could get his revenge on Saddam, and 2) So Bush could make all of his oil buddies richer. It's all about the oil!

Jeebus, why is it so hard for you flag-waving, anti-immigrant sheep to understand?

:roll:

 

[Number1]

Question for the conspiracy idiots out here. If Bush had planted WMD in Iraq it would have made his war a lot easier to accept AND it would have been a lot easier to do then destroy half of Manhattan with the entire world watching. Why didnt he do it?

 

[Midlander]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

What are your credentials? Are you a structural engineer? Were you on site or do you base your opinion on internet information? Don?t believe everything out there.

QFT.

Legend, obviously you don't understand the difference between dead load and live load. Further, where did you get the idea that it was exactly the same as free fall?

Believe what you want. Facts won't change your mind. Lincoln was right: you can fool some of the people all of the time.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Don't you get it? It was all master-minded by Karl Rove so that 1) Bush could get his revenge on Saddam, and 2) So Bush could make all of his oil buddies richer. It's all about the oil!

Jeebus, why is it so hard for you flag-waving, anti-immigrant sheep to understand?

:roll:

HAHA!!
Best post in the thread!

😀

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: goku
Fine so it's all a conspiracy, while it seems plausable that it's all a conspiracy, can anybody explain WHY? I've yet to see a reason for the govt. waste their time on killing americans...

Goku, it's not about killing Americans, I don't think any of them had a blood lust for death and destruction. It's about melting down and re-sculpting the American way of life, a life with more control and less freedoms. It's about starting a war on no specific target to justify financing our military with big bucks. It's about scaring the American public into thinking this happen again, so we accept more control and more injustices as long as we are safe. It's that and so much more, I just wish I had the patience and time to explain it to everyone on here who chooses to question the conspiracies.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Number1
Question for the conspiracy idiots out here. If Bush had planted WMD in Iraq it would have made his war a lot easier to accept AND it would have been a lot easier to do then destroy half of Manhattan with the entire world watching. Why didnt he do it?

Congratulations, that is the most asinine alternate theory/question about the 9/11 conspiracy I have ever heard.. and I've heard a lot of them.

I'm closing my laptop and watching the NFL Draft now.. good day sheepies.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: goku
Fine so it's all a conspiracy, while it seems plausable that it's all a conspiracy, can anybody explain WHY? I've yet to see a reason for the govt. waste their time on killing americans...

Goku, it's not about killing Americans, I don't think any of them had a blood lust for death and destruction. It's about melting down and re-sculpting the American way of life, a life with more control and less freedoms. It's about starting a war on no specific target to justify financing our military with big bucks. It's about scaring the American public into thinking this happen again, so we accept more control and more injustices as long as we are safe. It's that and so much more, I just wish I had the patience and time to explain it to everyone on here who chooses to question the conspiracies.

News flash Opie. Democrats have been shitting on the Constitution FAR longer then the Republicans.
So you should probably can this crap of "Bush is undermining the Constitution!". He's just following the examples of so many Democrats.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

What are your credentials? Are you a structural engineer? Were you on site or do you base your opinion on internet information? Don?t believe everything out there.

QFT.

Obviously you don't understand the difference between dead load and live load. Further, where did you get the idea that it was exactly the same as free fall?

Believe what you want. Facts won't change your mind. Lincoln was right: you can fool some of the people all of the time.

I asume you are replying to legend?

 

[McGyver]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: DaiShan
Why is the current administration so insistant on WMD conspiracies?

Because of intelligence from the past 😕

what about the intelligence that bush leisuirely ignored months before the sep 11th? what about the intelligence that said clearly iraq has no "nu-clear"* weapon but he still went ahead and told us his version in "speech of the union"*? and also what about the report that fema submitted days before hurricane katrina that levees in new orleans would be breached but he claimed he didn't expect that at all?

*Exact wording quoted from one-take-georgie.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Number1
Question for the conspiracy idiots out here. If Bush had planted WMD in Iraq it would have made his war a lot easier to accept AND it would have been a lot easier to do then destroy half of Manhattan with the entire world watching. Why didnt he do it?

Congratulations, that is the most asinine alternate theory/question about the 9/11 conspiracy I have ever heard.. and I've heard a lot of them.

I'm closing my laptop and watching the NFL Draft now.. good day sheepies.

If youd answer the question honestly it would prove how ASSinine you obsession about 911 conspiracy is. Yes, take your anti paranoia pill and go away you schizo.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: McGyver

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: DaiShan
Why is the current administration so insistant on WMD conspiracies?

Because of intelligence from the past 😕

what about the intelligence that bush leisuirely ignored months before the sep 11th? what about the intelligence that said clearly iraq has no "nu-clear"* weapon but he still went ahead and told us his version in "speech of the union"*? and also what about the report that fema submitted days before hurricane katrina that levees in new orleans would be breached but he claimed he didn't expect that at all?

*Exact wording quoted from one-take-georgie.

Have you seen the movie the day after tomorrow? Remember when the congressmen ignored the advice from the scientist?

People do this all the time, selecting which information to listen and respond to, and sometimes its a consequences far worse than expected. Until a member from the a high ranking in the CIA or some other govt. organization comesforth with evidence that there is a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

 

[Specop 007]

4 pages and a lock or 3 pages and moved to P&N.
Not sure which.

 

[McGyver]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: McGyver

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: DaiShan
Why is the current administration so insistant on WMD conspiracies?

Because of intelligence from the past 😕

what about the intelligence that bush leisuirely ignored months before the sep 11th? what about the intelligence that said clearly iraq has no "nu-clear"* weapon but he still went ahead and told us his version in "speech of the union"*? and also what about the report that fema submitted days before hurricane katrina that levees in new orleans would be breached but he claimed he didn't expect that at all?

*Exact wording quoted from one-take-georgie.

Have you seen the movie the day after tomorrow? Remember when the congressmen ignored the advice from the scientist?

People do this all the time, selecting which information to listen and respond to, and sometimes its a consequences far worse than expected. Until a member from the a high ranking in the CIA or some other govt. organization comesforth with evidence that there is a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

i see what you are saying now. it's considered "ok" for this administration to ignore facts but adhere to myths and rumours. on a personal level, you applaud the same approach.

 

[shortylickens]

As a general rule, conspiracies are more common when people dont know all the facts.
This usually comes about because the govt. makes an effort to hide the facts. The Secret Service and other agencies felt it best that the public didnt know too much about Kennedy and hid data.
Which I dont think is such a bad thing in itself. The problem was that the public was very curious and felt the need to make conspiracy theories to explain certain things.
Same thing with the terrorist attacks. For a number of reasons they decided to keep certain details secret. So Americans assume there is a conspiracy.

High-School was the same way.
For those of you that can even remember it: What happened if people saw some guy and some girl together? If the two said nothing happened or deny even being together then the rumors would start and by the end of the week the two would be fvcking everyday and the girl would be pregnant and hooked on crack. Doesnt matter if all they did was talk, the rumor mill was running full bore and there was no way to stop it.
I've heard a number of psych majors try and explain it, but the basis is that humans love to have their minds stimulated. And if reality cant do it, than fantasy has to make up the difference.

In the Navy we had this little thing called Rumor Control. After an incident, say, Petty Officer Woodring goes out and gets in a DUI, the Commanding Officer would have his Non-Judicial-Punishment (next day if possible) and the day after that the results would be posted in the Plan Of The Day.
Simple concept really. Since the sailors have all the info (and quickly) there is no room for speculation and life goes on. Incidents are usually forgotten much quicker because of this system.
Thats just one example. But its something to think about.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
News flash Opie. Democrats have been shitting on the Constitution FAR longer then the Republicans.
So you should probably can this crap of "Bush is undermining the Constitution!". He's just following the examples of so many Democrats.

So tell me Senator McCarthy, if Republicans are so darn wonderful and Democrats are evil baby-killers, what is the excuse for an awesome genius like George Dubya for following their piss-poor example?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

News Flash: I've already revealed who I am in the other 9/11 threads, multiple times, to flag-waving sheep like you. *yawn* Anything else? Gonna tell me exactly how I'm mislead now?

I'm not a flag-waving sheep. In fact, I don't like the current administration at all.

I'm not saying that you're hiding, I'm just saying that you're crazy.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
As a general rule, conspiracies are more common when people dont know all the facts.
This usually comes about because the govt. makes an effort to hide the facts. The Secret Service and other agencies felt it best that the public didnt know too much about Kennedy and hid data.
Which I dont think is such a bad thing in itself. The problem was that the public was very curious and felt the need to make conspiracy theories to explain certain things..

And when you compound that with the fact that a certain percentage of the population is either stupid or has mental illness, you have yourself a conspiracy theory.

These people don't believe in straightforward simplicity like Occam's razor. They believe in twisted, far-fetched things and can't accurately judge and compare the probability of both.

For instance, a con-artist makes ridiculous claims. He's either a) lying, or b) able to do all the things he claimed. An idiot would believe him.

Another example: you have 2 buildings that were hit by planes carrying 29,000 gallons of jet fuel. The buildings fell due to a) planes hitting them and bursting into flames, or b) there was a vast government conspiracy, with black helicopters, demolition charges planted in the buildings, etc. Again, an idiot or someone with a mental affliction would believe in the far-fetched theory.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: shortylickens
As a general rule, conspiracies are more common when people dont know all the facts.
This usually comes about because the govt. makes an effort to hide the facts. The Secret Service and other agencies felt it best that the public didnt know too much about Kennedy and hid data.
Which I dont think is such a bad thing in itself. The problem was that the public was very curious and felt the need to make conspiracy theories to explain certain things..

And when you compound that with the fact that a certain percentage of the population is either stupid or has mental illness, you have yourself a conspiracy theory.

These people don't believe in straightforward simplicity like Occam's razor. They believe in twisted, far-fetched things and can't accurately judge and compare the probability of both.

For instance, a con-artist makes ridiculous claims. He's either a) lying, or b) able to do all the things he claimed. An idiot would believe him.

Another example: you have 2 buildings that were hit by planes carrying 29,000 gallons of jet fuel. The buildings fell due to a) planes hitting them and bursting into flames, or b) there was a vast government conspiracy, with black helicopters, demolition charges planted in the buildings, etc. Again, an idiot or someone with a mental affliction would believe in the far-fetched theory.

Damn you and your pesky facts!

 

[SampSon]

I know the truth, my father is in the CIA.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

Its only hard to explain if you know nothing about the properties of building materials, fires, and structural collapse. Those buildings fell that way because thats how they were designed! Do you actually think they would design a skyscraper to fall over?

 

[Kalmah]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

Its only hard to explain if you know nothing about the properties of building materials, fires, and structural collapse. Those buildings fell that way because thats how they were designed! Do you actually think they would design a skyscraper to fall over?

So if one floor collapses then the other 106 floors goes out with it? If the engineering is so good as to make it fall that way on purpose in case the building ever needed to be torn down, I would assume they would consider the effect of one floor collapsing... and make sure the rest of the building can stay stable. (unless done on purpose)

I think it would be a bit ridiculous to state that it was the Government that planned it though. Maybe the terrorists knew a plane wouldn't take down the whole building.. maybe one of them was a janitor, placing explosives every night for the last 5 years? Maybe running the airlines out of buisness by doing this was all part of the plan?

It is bullshit about the overwhelming evidense that the government knew something was going to happen prior without doing anything about it.

I'd like to encourage all to watch a few of those 'conspiracy' videos that are floating around. Of course look at them with some skeptisism.

 

[Rubycon]

When is Vista coming out?

 

[McGyver]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I know the truth, my father is in the CIA.

that bush is a lady?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because their idiots who are blindly grasping at any straw they can to undermine the current Administration.

You don't need conspiracy theories to do that. The administration is donig a fine job of undermining itself all on it's own! :laugh:

Proof is in the pudding! :laugh:

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because their idiots who are blindly grasping at any straw they can to undermine the current Administration.

Because the very nature of being an "American" is based on an inherent distrust of oppresive governments.
And oftentimes, "governments" will lie or in some other way, seek to subvert the truth for an agenda that is not "good" for the common citizen, but for a special "elite" group or agenda.