why are people from taiwan so hateful towards china?

[K1052]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: aswedc

Very true. But China is growing their military budget by about the same amount as their economy yearly, and technologically they are getting close to the US. The US though is still currently technologicaly militarily more advanced, but manpower and a large average technology navy can ultimately defeat better technology navy. Budget alone they will beat us.

Why do you think the US is selling destroyers to Taiwan? Because we don't have anough manpower or a large enough military to actually hold off an offense by China into Taiwan, and we will not have any power to do anything in another half decade.

Uh, NO.

China's best military units--estimated at approximately 10 percent of its overall forces--are being modernized at a steady pace, in keeping with the country's ongoing economic development. As Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes, then-director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on 2 February 1999, these select forces will have achieved a reasonably high level of proficiency in 1980s-style maneuver warfare by 2010. They will be well equipped with theater-range missiles, "late Cold War equivalent" tanks and artillery, more advanced diesel and third-generation nuclear-powered submarines, and approximately 20 new surface combatant warships.

umm...your source is waaaaay outdated. here's a more recent report from the department of defense: link

you are misinformed if you think the chinese military is still that far behind. russia and israel have been supplying them with advanced equipment, and the EU recently lifted their arms embargo against them.

The Defense Department report also expresses concern that for all the United States knows about China's military development, there is much it does not know. It says U.S. analysts knew nothing of several new Chinese weapons systems until they were officially unveiled. The report says the United States does not even have a firm figure for China's fast-growing defense budget, which it estimates could be as much as $90 billion, three times the figure China has officially announced for this year. Even that official figure of about $30 billion is double the official figure for the year 2000. If the U.S. estimate is right, China would have the world's third largest defense budget, after the United States and Russia. And the report says China's strong economic growth and desire to further modernize its military are being coordinated and are fueling each other.

The US defense budget is something like $400 billion a year at around 3.7% of our GDP.
More than four times higest the estimate for the Chinese.

In a land combat China certainly has the edge with their high numbers of troops, on the seas the US and its allies like SK, Japan, and Taiwan (to whom we've sold advanced naval weaponry the Chinese navy would give their right testicles to obtain) would mop the floor with the Chinese fleet.

The difference is that that $400 billion (I thought it was a quarter of a trillion not .4 trillion but I digress) does not go a long way in the beauracratic red tape in the US. 90 billion that has been growing exponentially every year is quite a lot for a government that doesn't have to pay its peons fair wages to serve in the military. Plus has a requirement for everyone to serve. The thing that is scary is that that in 6 years just by the 20% estimation, that number will have tripled while the US is currently cutting the budget. And the 20% is a lowball estimate. (1.2)^6

It is very unlikely that the Chinese will be able to grow their spending by 20%+ every year for the next six years. Even if it was possible it still takes years to build ships even if you have all the cash/technology in the world. Even a brief look at both fleets makes it obvious that China will be overmatched for quite some time on the ocean. With all that red tape the US has almost 300 ships available (12 of which are carriers) and China has about 10-15% of that at various levels of advancement. China is only now talking about building their first carrier that might see duty by around 2010.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: K1052
It is very unlikely that the Chinese will be able to grow their spending by 20%+ every year for the next six years. Even if it was possible it still takes years to build ships even if you have all the cash/technology in the world. Even a brief look at both fleets makes it obvious that China will be overmatched for quite some time on the ocean. With all that red tape the US has almost 300 ships available (12 of which are carriers) and China has about 10-15% of that at various levels of advancement. China is only now talking about building their first carrier that might see duty by around 2010.

I don't see China's economy cooling anytime soon. Although, sadly, I am seeing a slow cooling trend in the US (militarilly as well). But I do concede that China for some technologies are far behind, the difference is the sheer amount of force that they have will outweigh the technology that we have in the near future.

 

[Pepsei]

i like chinese people, i have nothing against them, i just dislike very few pro-china people who are just as fanatical ... ie watch cctv all the time and says party this and party that as if it is a mantra. when they're in the united states. what the hell...