Why are Jewish people normally so successful?

[Mai72]

Ask one Jew and you get the correct answer, money is useless, family is everything.

You won't find a homeless Jew in this world because no Jew is without a home, there is always a Jewish home for every Jew.

We are the dreaded socialists of the world who care for one another, who fight for one another and who share with one another in times of need.

This is how we survived through the holocaust, though the many years of starvation, through the pogroms, being turned away at American harbours because we were Jewish, through all of it we survived as one entity.

We care about each other.

Was Sammy Davis Junior considered Jewish among other Jews? I know that he successfully converted, but do most Jews consider him Jewish? Was he treated the same as someone who was born Jewish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Davis,_Jr.

 

[Mai72]

I like this site. Jew or Not Jew.

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=504

Nell Carter was jewish!

🙂

 

[zanejohnson]

Was Sammy Davis Junior considered Jewish among other Jews? I know that he successfully converted, but do most Jews consider him Jewish? Was he treated the same as someone who was born Jewish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Davis,_Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism


judaism is more than a religion, in that the teachings of the talmud and torah are to ingrain jewish values into every single aspect, every situation of a jewish man or womans life......a true converted Jew, is a jew...in that since.


if they aren't accepted... the jew who doesn't accept them, has deviated from the teachings of the talmud....and it is he who is not the jew.

 

[OverVolt]

it

 

[zanejohnson]

neat little tidbit,

descendents of sephardic jews, who were forced from there homes in the late 1400's (iberrian peninsula of sepherod (modern day spain).........are granted automatic citizenship in Spain if they choose to return 🙂

i've seriously considered doing this, and i probably will later in life

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Was Sammy Davis Junior considered Jewish among other Jews? I know that he successfully converted, but do most Jews consider him Jewish? Was he treated the same as someone who was born Jewish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Davis,_Jr.

Unlike most religions where the father is the head in Judaic scripture the lineage follows the mother, Sammy Davis Jr's mother was not Jewish, thus he is not a Jew.

To put it simple and blunt, if your mother is a Jew then you are a Jew, if she's not then you're not. Most famous Jew in modern times is probably Hitler.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

mtDNA tells you nothing about a person except perhaps mother lineage over the short term, but that is a stretch. So, mitochondria themselves are thought to be symbiotic prokaryotes living within animal eukaryote cells. There can be up to 1,000-2,000 mitochondria per cell. They have extremely small genomes. There are trends associated with different genomes. It'll seem like a collection of random facts but everything is related.

So, mitochondria have a small genome separate from the genes kept in the nucleus. Small genomes tend to have a high mutation rate. A high mutation rate indicates extreme competition for survival and mitochondria have an extremely small genome. Its actually a separate set of genes within the mitochondria that cannot be imported across the double membrane. Its only a handful of proteins that are coded within the mitochondria. Simpler organisms have fewer genes, small genomes, and high mutation rates. An example of this in the real world is something like crabs. They have 2million viable offspring and maybe 2 or 3 survive.

The opposite of this is vertebrates in general but there is still variation there. You'd think that humans then have some of the largest genomes in the animal kingdom but this isn't true. We have 3b base pairs where as there are animals like salamanders with remote small populations who have 10b base pairs and so are apparently under less selective pressure. Plants can have even more. Their mutation rate is very low and their genomes explode with tons of non protein coding regions.

Any differences in mtDNA are going to be purely superficial. Such as mutations in the 3rd codon which usually doesn't result in an amino acid substitution. It means nothing. Mitochondria don't even follow the codon table, likely to save genome space.

Anyways mind the psuedo-science babbling sources, there are alot of those these days. mtDNA tells you nothing about a person.

I'm a molecular biologist and i have no fucking clue what you are even trying to say, there isn't anything in this post of yours that is even close to being correct apart from the word "It".

 

[Mai72]

Unlike most religions where the father is the head in Judaic scripture the lineage follows the mother, Sammy Davis Jr's mother was not Jewish, thus he is not a Jew.

To put it simple and blunt, if your mother is a Jew then you are a Jew, if she's not then you're not. Most famous Jew in modern times is probably Hitler.

The Adolf Hitler Jewish theory was a myth.

 

[MiniDoom]

Unlike most religions where the father is the head in Judaic scripture the lineage follows the mother, Sammy Davis Jr's mother was not Jewish, thus he is not a Jew.

To put it simple and blunt, if your mother is a Jew then you are a Jew, if she's not then you're not. Most famous Jew in modern times is probably Hitler.

depends on who you ask. reform or liberal Jews will accept you if your mother or father is Jewish. conservative and Orthodox only consider you if your mother is.

 

[Mai72]

🙂

 

[OverVolt]

I'm a molecular biologist and i have no fucking clue what you are even trying to say, there isn't anything in this post of yours that is even close to being correct apart from the word "It".

Guess A420 is spot on and you went into a field with 11% unemployment and like zero job security like all the geniuses did.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The Adolf Hitler Jewish theory was a myth.

That's what Jew or Not Jew says anyway.

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=358

Klara Pölzl's mother was Johanna Hiedler (yes, a bit of inbreeding there, their grandparents were one in the same) who was Jewish, given that the Jewish lineage follows maternal heritage, Hitler was a Jew, PERIOD.

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e4637c10ec/jew-them-up-with-david-cross-jon-benjamin

 

[MasterOfUsers]

depends on who you ask. reform or liberal Jews will accept you if your mother or father is Jewish. conservative and Orthodox only consider you if your mother is.

I ask the only authority on the matter there is.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Guess I had a bad genetics teacher.

Mostly genetics/bioinformatics observations our teacher stated. We had someone who was supposed to run data on the soybean genome and ended up running the chloroplast genome. How in the world could they have not noticed. I figure its a common mistake. Yes you can run phylogenetic trees and other ultimately useless shit on mtDNA.

Wow... you should NEVER speak about this again, erase, reboot and relearn this, mtDNA is not susceptible to mutations, if it was then tracing actual ancestry would be impossible in all venues.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The Adolf Hitler Jewish theory was a myth.

1. STOP POSTING IMAGES! 2. Nope, maternal ancestry means he was a Jew, a joke site proclaiming he wasn't is like a joke site proclaiming that 60+% of all Americans believe that god literally made adam from dirt and eve from his rib... wait, that wasn't a joke site... i mean like 85% of americans believing that GW was a black man.

 

[OverVolt]

Wow... you should NEVER speak about this again, erase, reboot and relearn this, mtDNA is not susceptible to mutations, if it was then tracing actual ancestry would be impossible in all venues.

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/mitochondrial-dna

Mitochondrial DNA is prone to somatic mutations, which are a type of noninherited mutation. Somatic mutations occur in the DNA of certain cells during a person's lifetime and typically are not passed to future generations....Mitochondrial DNA is particularly vulnerable to the effects of these molecules and has a limited ability to repair itself. As a result, reactive oxygen species easily damage mitochondrial DNA, causing a buildup of additional somatic mutations.

Right gotcha.

I'm not a big phylogenetic tree ancestry guy. I'm very critical of that stuff. There is not much you can gleen from such a lean and small genome. Its small and so its easy to run but ultimately I think its pretty much bullshit. Never went into it as a field thats for sure. If you want to track the ancestry changes in a certain protein, okay but we never made science pretend that it was 100% accurate like people do with mtDNA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Ultimately I highly disagree with this type of research. They are all over the place. Y-Chromosome adam is 180,000 to 581,000 years ago...while a 2013 paper concluded that he lived between 120,000 and 156,000 years ago... and mt eve is 99,000 to 200,000 years ago. They are all over the place. Its not accurate or reliable at all.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Guess A420 is spot on and you went into a field with 11% unemployment and like zero job security like all the geniuses did.

Sure, agree with him and why not give infowars and naturalnews a break, they are about as right as you are about mtDNA.

It's not my fault that you are completely wrong, if you were smart you'd read and understand but you're not, you'll stick to your BS information until you die like every die hard retard.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/mitochondrial-dna

Mitochondrial DNA is prone to somatic mutations, which are a type of noninherited mutation. Somatic mutations occur in the DNA of certain cells during a person's lifetime and typically are not passed to future generations.

Right gotcha.

mtDNa has a high mutation rate. Derp.

Jesus fucking christ, you get a small part of this and you try to argue, but you are extremely wrong on this.

Yes, somatic mutations MAY occur but the sampling of mtDNA is quite large, so large that it doesn't fucking MATTER you daft wise and beautiful woman.

If you were to actually read what you research instead of only trying to find stuff to validate your own argument you might actually learn something but OH NO, that is not for you, you know the TRUTH and if reality disagrees then reality is wrong. I deal with the likes of you three times a week, i don't need it here too so i'm out.

 

[zanejohnson]

Jesus fucking christ, you get a small part of this and you try to argue, but you are extremely wrong on this.

Yes, somatic mutations MAY occur but the sampling of mtDNA is quite large, so large that it doesn't fucking MATTER you daft wise and beautiful woman.

If you were to actually read what you research instead of only trying to find stuff to validate your own argument you might actually learn something but OH NO, that is not for you, you know the TRUTH and if reality disagrees then reality is wrong. I deal with the likes of you three times a week, i don't need it here too so i'm out.

and here you see jewish exceptionalism 🙂

 

[Remobz]

Legend has it that if you're jewish and haven't made $1m by age 33, you get crucified.

Sadly, I believe Jews really think that..lol!

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Just a fun thing to do, research mitochondrial Eve. Look into why we use mtDNA instead of DNA to trace ancestry and why we can actually find traces of mtDNA from neanderthal mothers in all living humans except for the Sub Saharans.

No, this doesn't make us more or less evolved than the sub saharans, it makes us from a different lineage historically, and this can be traced in only one way, as can any lineage and this is UNIVERSALLY AGREED UPON by ANY molecular biologist or geneticist and is something the human genome project have spent time trying to falsify and failed in doing so. An unfalsified theory is the best there is.

For Jews this does not matter in the least, if your mum is Jewish, you're Jewish, Period.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

and here you see jewish exceptionalism 🙂

I don't usually get this riled up but some daft twit steps into my area while having no knowledge on the matter and tries to school me? Yeah... that won't work well.

Sorry about the language though, i'm usually much kinder.

 

[Remobz]

Unlike most religions where the father is the head in Judaic scripture the lineage follows the mother, Sammy Davis Jr's mother was not Jewish, thus he is not a Jew.

To put it simple and blunt, if your mother is a Jew then you are a Jew, if she's not then you're not. Most famous Jew in modern times is probably Hitler.

The mother has to be a practicing Jew?

What if the mother converted to Catholic but the Jewish blood ties remain?

What if the mother is half Jewish? or quarter Jewish?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Sadly, I believe Jews really think that..lol!

Lol yeah and n*ggers all eat watermelon and drink grape juice... lol!



You obviously know that's a censored word, and yet you tried to go around the censor with this

racist stereotype, garbage.


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