Why Apple [Inc.] is a Virus.

[HeXen]

Its a dog eat dog tech world. I don't blame them at all, i'd do the exact same thing. To say you wouldn't means a much higher risk of future loss.

an old man told me once "Protect your ass by all means necessary, if you don't, everyone's ass will be round and yours will be flat like mine"

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

That's not really what this thread is about, and I don't think anyone is saying that at all. Hell, I'm thinking about getting the iP5 if it's as good as it should be.

This thread is about their increasingly aggressive patent stance, and how it relates to the future of the smartphone market.

Yeah I know whats it about. They can do whatever they want. The consumer dont need to buy or fall for it.
Doing big time business you cant be soft. You have to trample over a lot of people otherwise your just another Orion

 

[cheezy321]

Of course Apple makes quality products, I've often praised them as such, particularly the MBA and iPhone. Still, there's no denying that Apple products are much more often 'toys' than indispensible tools.

Random blog post? I don't really understand.

I'll repost this :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/

What of course remains to be seen is how 2012 plays out. I am betting on downward price pressure to continue to put Apple in a tough spot long-term. Low-cost just isn't their game.

Dude seriously? The 'random blog post' quotes GOOGLE'S NUMBERS. Android growth has SLOWED DOWN. Quite a bit. That is what the blog post is about. You are posting crazy ass numbers. Somehow you think apple will move down to 10% of the market and Android will explode to 90% of the market. Like I said before, you seem to think google will rise to insane numbers exponentially and that apples numbers will fall (Which they haven't, but you seem to think they have). Remember, marketshare has dropped but actual iPhone sales are still on the uptick.

Somehow you seem to think that android growth will continue to rise at an insane rate. Can you grasp that is IS NOT RISING LIKE IT USED TO. That is why I posted that link. The current sales numbers do not even come close to matching what you are saying.

You sound like this idiot:
http://allthingsd.com/20111221/android-could-700000-daily-activations-be-just-the-start/

 

[VinylxScratches]

Of course Apple makes quality products, I've often praised them as such, particularly the MBA and iPhone. Still, there's no denying that Apple products are much more often 'toys' than indispensible tools.

Random blog post? I don't really understand.

I'll repost this :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/

What of course remains to be seen is how 2012 plays out. I am betting on downward price pressure to continue to put Apple in a tough spot long-term. Low-cost just isn't their game.

Toys? hmmmm, all our network infrastructure engineers use Macs... probably not because they're toys though. You're an ignorant noob.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Two people not seeing any of the profits of both companies fighting over them like the respective chairmans of both companies at a mud slinging contest. Who cares who sells more or who sold less. Nobody gets discount for being a dedicated fan we all pay the same price.

 

[Arkaign]

Toys? hmmmm, all our network infrastructure engineers use Macs... probably not because they're toys though. You're an ignorant noob.

Ah, calling people names and being condescending, delicious! I can see who gets upset when we talk about Apple, the fanboys. I have no attachment to any companies whatsoever. I've worked in IT for over 20 years and seldom see Apple products in the workplace, though that has recently changed with more execs using MBA and iPhones. Besides, a Mac desktop these days is just a PC running OSX. Hell I run OSX on my HP laptop to test the varying hosted exchange / office / email configurations on along with a few other things.

 

[Arkaign]

Two people not seeing any of the profits of both companies fighting over them like the respective chairmans of both companies at a mud slinging contest. Who cares who sells more or who sold less. Nobody gets discount for being a dedicated fan we all pay the same price.

And that's the truth!

 

[Arkaign]

Dude seriously? The 'random blog post' quotes GOOGLE'S NUMBERS. Android growth has SLOWED DOWN. Quite a bit. That is what the blog post is about. You are posting crazy ass numbers. Somehow you think apple will move down to 10% of the market and Android will explode to 90% of the market. Like I said before, you seem to think google will rise to insane numbers exponentially and that apples numbers will fall (Which they haven't, but you seem to think they have). Remember, marketshare has dropped but actual iPhone sales are still on the uptick.

Somehow you seem to think that android growth will continue to rise at an insane rate. Can you grasp that is IS NOT RISING LIKE IT USED TO. That is why I posted that link. The current sales numbers do not even come close to matching what you are saying.

You sound like this idiot:
http://allthingsd.com/20111221/android-could-700000-daily-activations-be-just-the-start/

Yeah I see what you are saying and have understood it all along. I think the market for expensive smartphones is limited. The market for affordable smartphones is massive though, particularly once you get outside of the wealtheir parts of Europe, Asia, and the US.

It's just a fact that smartphones will plummet in price, and it's also a fact that as they do, adoption will spread.

I ask you, which model is more likely to offer products at extremely cut-rate pricing, Apple or the myriad of makers putting together android devices?

I ask you, how did it come to be that the computer industry was dominated by PCs and clones rather than Macs?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I'm not an apple fan by any means, but it's not like Apple is the only tech company to patent troll the shit out of everyone.

IBM, MS, Sun, Oracle, Novell, hell even some of the open source groups, have used patents and copyright laws well beyond their intended use.

Patent and Copyright reform is neccessary.

IBM tried to patent the patent trolling process.

 

[Arkaign]

IBM tried to patent the patent trolling process.

hahahahah yeah

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

The psychopathic disregard for people as humans rather than resources to be consumed by the corporation - IBM

 

[theeedude]

I may buy an Apple product, once I know they aren't going to use that money for BS lawsuits.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I may buy an Apple product, once I know they aren't going to use that money for BS lawsuits.

You're too easy, I'd hold out till they promise to quit harvesting unicorn tears from endangered species of unicorns, Tim Cook publicly admits he's gay, and that Apple clone Steve Jobs, and make the clone of Steve their new CEO, or at least make the old Steve into a kick ass cyborg.

 

[Patranus]

People who think we should do away with the current patent system (the system that has made America the most innovative society this planet has ever seen) are the true viruses.

They want to take others people hard work and profit off of it.

Well I guess they are more of a cancer than a virus.

 

[Patranus]

I may buy an Apple product, once I know they aren't going to use that money for BS lawsuits.

So you will also not be buying Google, Nokia, Cisco, Oracle, Kodak, Motorola, Samsung, IBM, Sony, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, Intel, AMD, Seagate, Western Digital, ect. products or services?

You paying for internet to come to an internet forum via the internet which undoubtedly uses Cisco hardware between you and AnandTech servers. Hrm.

 

[Blueychan]

People who think we should do away with the current patent system (the system that has made America the most innovative society this planet has ever seen) are the true viruses.

They want to take others people hard work and profit off of it.

Well I guess they are more of a cancer than a virus.

+1

Like Canada, they have invented jacks ... but they have the cheapest drugs around though because they rip the hell off American Pharmaceutical companies.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

So Alexander Graham Bell should sue everyone because all the phones have a phone a feature? If the OS is different whats the problem? Its absurd to patent features WTF. hey we started 3G and wi fi let sue everyone. While we add it we throw bluetooth in the deal. Now wait we started incorporating mp 3 players lets sue. Theres nothing innovative bout designing a portable mp3 player that can phone and play movies.N Gage did that ages ago

 

[SSSnail]

For the people that's having a hard on defending Apple, just a quick question for you - Which original idea of theirs that they are protecting?

 

[Pliablemoose]

 

[3chordcharlie]

People who think we should do away with the current patent system (the system that has made America the most innovative society this planet has ever seen) are the true viruses.

They want to take others people hard work and profit off of it.

Well I guess they are more of a cancer than a virus.

Hmm...

You have yet to prove that America is the most innovative society this planet has ever seen.

You have yet to prove your previous claim that America is the greatest nation this planet has ever seen.

You have most certainly failed to prove that America is each of these things due to its patent system.

You also seem to like strawmen and red herrings quite a good lot.

 

[Patranus]

Hmm...

You have yet to prove that America is the most innovative society this planet has ever seen.

You have yet to prove your previous claim that America is the greatest nation this planet has ever seen.

You have most certainly failed to prove that America is each of these things due to its patent system.

You also seem to like strawmen and red herrings quite a good lot.

Why else would the founding fathers include provisions for a patent system in the Constitution?

Its not that the Constitution says the federal government *can* have a patent system, quite the contrary, the Constitution says the federal government *must* have a patent system.

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Why else would the founding fathers include provisions for a patent system in the Constitution?

Its not that the Constitution says the federal government *can* have a patent system, quite the contrary, the Constitution says the federal government *must* have a patent system.

That doesn't actually 'prove' anything.

It also doesn't say that the current patent system is anything like what was intended.

It's much easier to argue against made-up positions; you'll never hear me say that there should be no protection for innovation, only that what we have now has swung to far in favour of limitless patents, excessive litigation, and a general stifling of innovation from all but the biggest players. If you or I, as independent thinkers were to invent something truly creative, but in an existing field, what would protect our profits? The best we could possibly hope for is to sell our idea to a large corporation, at a tiny fraction of the real value of that idea.

The system needs to be simpler, more selective at the 'approval' end, and less susceptible to litigation. Length of protection needs to be shortened (especially for things like software patents). In general we need a system that allows inventors to be rewarded for their work, but does not then hold society hostage to that work indefinitely.

To be honest though, I don't think you've even made a strong case that the current system is better than 'no patent system at all'.

 

[SSSnail]

So, from the chart that pliablemoose posted, it seems to me that Apple has relatively much fewer granted patents or innovations within the same time frame as other companies. But, wow, the noise the company makes huh?

Noel Lee would be jealous.

 

[Patranus]

That doesn't actually 'prove' anything.

It also doesn't say that the current patent system is anything like what was intended.

It's much easier to argue against made-up positions; you'll never hear me say that there should be no protection for innovation, only that what we have now has swung to far in favour of limitless patents, excessive litigation, and a general stifling of innovation from all but the biggest players. If you or I, as independent thinkers were to invent something truly creative, but in an existing field, what would protect our profits? The best we could possibly hope for is to sell our idea to a large corporation, at a tiny fraction of the real value of that idea.

The system needs to be simpler, more selective at the 'approval' end, and less susceptible to litigation. Length of protection needs to be shortened (especially for things like software patents). In general we need a system that allows inventors to be rewarded for their work, but does not then hold society hostage to that work indefinitely.

To be honest though, I don't think you've even made a strong case that the current system is better than 'no patent system at all'.

The premiss of your post is fundamentally flawed.

The current patent system promotes innovation, it doesn't stifle it.

I know plenty of people who have technology patents, have built companies, and either have those companies running (some publicly traded) or have sold them.

None of these (self made) people would have been able to do anything without their patents as another company would have just been around to implement their idea.

How do you think a company like Apple or Google get patents? They are ideas that originate from people like you and me. In some cases people are willing to take risk and reap the reward by going it alone. Some people like the comfort/stability a company like Google provides and in exchange for that stability they forfeit the intellectual property they generate.

 

[Patranus]

So, from the chart that pliablemoose posted, it seems to me that Apple has relatively much fewer granted patents or innovations within the same time frame as other companies. But, wow, the noise the company makes huh?

Noel Lee would be jealous.

Its since 1993. When did Apple enter the market?