Why Apple [Inc.] is a Virus.

[alent1234]

I may not think Apple is going to have long-term success by keeping the current model indefinitely, but that doesn't mean I'm going to call those I disagree with "stupid fucks".

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/

That chart clearly shows that only iOS and Android are relevant to the near future (next three years at least) of phone OSes. And Android is becoming the titan of the arena. RIM is pathetic and can't keep up.

I even agree that iOS is for the most part better than Android for most casual users. But the difference isn't really that big, and Android devices are getting better by leaps and bounds.

If you can't admit that Apple has a large problem looking at the current trends, you might want to look again.

And I don't think you're stupid one bit about making $$ on good stock choices, that's just smart business. I don't attach my own feelings towards a product in my investment choices at all.

i remember when MS rolled over everyone in the 1990's. some products like exchange were actually underselling their competition as late as 1999. or barely keeping up. but once Winodws 2000 and the rest of the lineup came out it was the end.

the main thing is that MS was always profitable. a lot of the android products are running in the red for their companies

 

[SP33Demon]

Yep, Apple is doomed.

I think the funniest thing I've ever seen are Windows/Android fans/Apple haters claiming Apple is doomed.

They ignore facts and figures, charts, growth, adoption rates, customer satisfaction, quarterly earnings and proclaim "Apple is doomed"

You knot heads aren't objective enough to see what's happening in front of you, how you-all manage to not step in front of a bus is a constant source of amazement to me.

Anandtech members are a fringe group of consumers, and frankly Apple products aren't intended for you. They're intended for consumers not hardware geeks.

I could dig up a hundred surveys to prove the trend lines, etc, but that time would simply be wasted, because you're so firmly ensconced in a belief that's just dead, flat wrong.

And they talk about a reality distortion field at Apple, I see one every day, expressed as "fact".

I made $7K in Apple stock Friday, but I guess I need to realize that that money isn't real, and that Apple sales aren't real, and that Apple is doomed.

I laugh at you stupid fucks every day.

Don't get high off your own supply. But coke is so much better than meth!

Best way to sum up Apple, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife.

 

[SP33Demon]

ATOT's servers just hiccuped.

 

[videogames101]

Google, Samsung, etc. vs. Apple?

Apple has no chance, not once these companies actually feel threatened.

In the end, the market will decide, not litigation.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Don't get high off your own supply. But coke is so much better than meth!

Best way to sum up Apple, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife.

Yeah, I know, just worked a double, and am a bit cranky.

It gets old seeing these moronic threads.

 

[dwell]

Face it. Apple is the dominant tech company these days. They're not going anywhere for at least a decade. Microsoft coasted for 10 years on fumes. Apple is more powerful than MS ever was.

 

[Blueychan]

Ha, another Apple bashing thread, what's a surprise! Everyone knows that Anandtech doesn't have many Apple haters

 

[StrangerGuy]

Ha, another Apple bashing thread, what's a surprise! Everyone knows that Anandtech doesn't have many Apple haters

Nope, OP is totally not trolling at all.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Huh? Yes, you are entitled to however much someone will pay for your product.
The entire idea of a patent system is to protect those profits for the inventor of a product.
Now, what incentive does a company like Phizer have to invest a hundred million dollars into a new drug if a generic can be made when a competitor revere engineers it?

Software patents, in many cases aren't like patenting a drug, they are like patenting the 'idea of a drug'. This provides blanket coverage against any solution to a particular functionality question/problem.

Even now, you can't patent 'cure for x'. You can only patent a particular product. Drug patent protection lasts far too long, and has other issues, but not this issue.

Software patents are now too much about restricting who is allowed to innovate, rather than protecting actual innovation.

 

[Arkaign]

Face it. Apple is the dominant tech company these days. They're not going anywhere for at least a decade. Microsoft coasted for 10 years on fumes. Apple is more powerful than MS ever was.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

All-righty then. I was an old-school "hater" of sorts of Microsoft, but this is a purely laughable statement. Apple's products are largely hipster/trendy entertainment-oriented. There's nothing remotely similar to Microsoft's model where they, by hook or by crook, utterly came to dominate the desktop operating system and default productivity suites.

I agree that they are highly profitable at the moment, and that's likely to remain true for quite some time. As far as real marketshare of PCs/Notebooks, they're not really more than a niche spot in total numbers, and that's not going anywhere. As for as smartphones/tablets, they're a very large player, and the largest single company in that space, but the encroachment of the various Android devices is making that market begin to look like the PC vs. Mac situation. If current trends continue, and only 1 in 10 smartphones or less are iPhones, and everything else is some kind of Droid, ehhhhh yeah.

Apple =~! Microsoft.

In the end I think hardware will continue to become less and less profitable for everybody. Think of it like TVs. TVs used to be hugely expensive, and highly profitable, so much so that many were made here in the USA with good wages for the workers. Now they can barely break a profit being made for bottom-market wages in China.

Apple's biggest moneymaker long-term is the success they have in controlling the apps/content for their devices. But that's not going to be a great long-term recipe if they continue to bleed marketshare to their competition.

 

[cheezy321]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

All-righty then. I was an old-school "hater" of sorts of Microsoft, but this is a purely laughable statement. Apple's products are largely hipster/trendy entertainment-oriented. There's nothing remotely similar to Microsoft's model where they, by hook or by crook, utterly came to dominate the desktop operating system and default productivity suites.

I agree that they are highly profitable at the moment, and that's likely to remain true for quite some time. As far as real marketshare of PCs/Notebooks, they're not really more than a niche spot in total numbers, and that's not going anywhere. As for as smartphones/tablets, they're a very large player, and the largest single company in that space, but the encroachment of the various Android devices is making that market begin to look like the PC vs. Mac situation. If current trends continue, and only 1 in 10 smartphones or less are iPhones, and everything else is some kind of Droid, ehhhhh yeah.

Apple =~! Microsoft.

In the end I think hardware will continue to become less and less profitable for everybody. Think of it like TVs. TVs used to be hugely expensive, and highly profitable, so much so that many were made here in the USA with good wages for the workers. Now they can barely break a profit being made for bottom-market wages in China.

Apple's biggest moneymaker long-term is the success they have in controlling the apps/content for their devices. But that's not going to be a great long-term recipe if they continue to bleed marketshare to their competition.

You are the epitome of a retarded apple hater. Every time apple breaks sales records its because of 'hipsters' and 'good marketing'. Because they are 'trendy' and the 'sheeple' are following the herd. Never because its a quality product. Do you ever actually sit down and read what you write?

You somehow seem to think that android will continue to grow at the same rapid pace and iOS is just going to die quickly. Do you honestly believe that? Android growth is already slowing down. The 700,000 daily activations may sounds huge, but their growth has slowed down by a factor of 3. People expected them to be at the 1MM activations per day number by now. They are pretty far off from that. 700,000 daily activations isn't good news.

http://www.interactioned.com/post/14622002217/700-000-daily-activations-isnt-good-news

Current trends are going to continue. Android week over week growth is only at 1.4% now. It used to be 4.4%. So current trends are already on a downward slide. Android is not growing at the same rapid pace. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You can continue to give android wayyy too much credit while mocking everything that apple has done. We can also continue to laugh at your ridiculous drivel.

 

[Arkaign]

Of course Apple makes quality products, I've often praised them as such, particularly the MBA and iPhone. Still, there's no denying that Apple products are much more often 'toys' than indispensible tools.

Random blog post? I don't really understand.

I'll repost this :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/

What of course remains to be seen is how 2012 plays out. I am betting on downward price pressure to continue to put Apple in a tough spot long-term. Low-cost just isn't their game.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Of course Apple makes quality products, I've often praised them as such, particularly the MBA and iPhone. Still, there's no denying that Apple products are much more often 'toys' than indispensible tools.

Random blog post? I don't really understand.

I'll repost this :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/14/shocker-android-grew-us-market-share-after-q2-ios-was-static/

What of course remains to be seen is how 2012 plays out. I am betting on downward price pressure to continue to put Apple in a tough spot long-term. Low-cost just isn't their game.

I actually enjoy your posting that graph over and over, you don't realize what you're missing do you? Aside from that it's only the us market...

Pliablemoose taps foot..... Waiting.....

 

[Arkaign]

I actually enjoy your posting that graph over and over, you don't realize what you're missing do you? Aside from that it's only the us market...

Pliablemoose taps foot..... Waiting.....

Only Android and Apple iOS matter in the smartphone space? Looking in detail I think Apple is probably picking up more of those who are abandoning Blackberries. It makes sense as I have to support a lot of clients with smartphones, and the iPhone is the easiest to work with compared to droids and blackberries, so I recommend them as the default choice.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Only Android and Apple iOS matter in the smartphone space? Looking in detail I think Apple is probably picking up more of those who are abandoning Blackberries. It makes sense as I have to support a lot of clients with smartphones, and the iPhone is the easiest to work with compared to droids and blackberries, so I recommend them as the default choice.

Wrong.

Riddle me this, how much growth do you think Apple has left in it if smartphone penetration worldwide is 10%?

Have smartphone sales in the US been growing or declining?

That's why your thesis is not just wrong, it's moronically wrong.

Don't feel too bad, even the analysts keep missing the exponential growth.

 

[Arkaign]

Wrong.

Riddle me this, how much growth do you think Apple has left in it if smartphone penetration worldwide is 10%?

Have smartphone sales in the US been growing or declining?

That's why your thesis is not just wrong, it's moronically wrong.

Don't feel too bad, even the analysts keep missing the exponential growth.

That's a very fair point, and Apple indeed will probably keep growing. The concern is rather that if competitors continue to rapidly improve their products and offer them at substantially lower prices, that Apple will become a niche product rather than a very common smartphone today. If it gets to the point where 9 out of 10 smartphones are $99 android units, that doesn't leave a lot of market. And we all know from history that tech moves fast and gets cheap quickly. In other words, if there is a market for another 900 million smartphones over the next 5 years, but Apple only captures 15% of that, while Android devices get most of the rest, that's not a good place to be for the long haul.

CD-Rom, CDRW, DVD, DVDRW (and now BD soon) drives, Floppy Drives, used to cost hundreds of dollars, then fell to $20 or less. Ditto screens, I remember seeing a Dell 15" LCD for about $1300 back in 2000 or so. Now $100 gets a 22". Etc.

Smartphones are just a package of existing components that are all relatively cheap already and getting cheaper quickly. It's not too hard to see the emergence even of $50 smartphones with 32gb memory, especially as sub-32nm process technology becomes commonplace.

In other words, smartphones are poised to dip into unprofitable or nearly unprofitable in and of themselves before long. If Apple is able to sustain enough marketshare to make bank off of their apps and content, then they should do fairly well. If they can't keep up with the competition which will continue to pressure them price-wise, then it's anybody's guess.

Btw, it's kind of rude to say something like 'moronic', especially after calling people stupid fucks. Notice that reasonable conversations can be had without resorting to that level.

Merry christmas!

 

[Pliablemoose]

That's a very fair point, and Apple indeed will probably keep growing. The concern is rather that if competitors continue to rapidly improve their products and offer them at substantially lower prices, that Apple will become a niche product rather than a very common smartphone today. If it gets to the point where 9 out of 10 smartphones are $99 android units, that doesn't leave a lot of market. And we all know from history that tech moves fast and gets cheap quickly. In other words, if there is a market for another 900 million smartphones over the next 5 years, but Apple only captures 15% of that, while Android devices get most of the rest, that's not a good place to be for the long haul.

CD-Rom, CDRW, DVD, DVDRW (and now BD soon) drives, Floppy Drives, used to cost hundreds of dollars, then fell to $20 or less. Ditto screens, I remember seeing a Dell 15" LCD for about $1300 back in 2000 or so. Now $100 gets a 22". Etc.

Smartphones are just a package of existing components that are all relatively cheap already and getting cheaper quickly. It's not too hard to see the emergence even of $50 smartphones with 32gb memory, especially as sub-32nm process technology becomes commonplace.

In other words, smartphones are poised to dip into unprofitable or nearly unprofitable in and of themselves before long. If Apple is able to sustain enough marketshare to make bank off of their apps and content, then they should do fairly well. If they can't keep up with the competition which will continue to pressure them price-wise, then it's anybody's guess.

Btw, it's kind of rude to say something like 'moronic', especially after calling people stupid fucks. Notice that reasonable conversations can be had without resorting to that level.

Merry christmas!

I stand by what I said, you're the one equivocating.

You're adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 57. You're wrong.

You don't understand the industry, your graphs don't mean what you think they do, and you've said some particularly stupid things.

I strongly suggest you consider cutting your losses before you become part of my next sig.

Pliablemoose dances out of the thread, throwing $100 bills, and laughing like a maniac...

 

[Arkaign]

I stand by what I said, you're the one equivocating.

You're adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 57. You're wrong.

You don't understand the industry, your graphs don't mean what you think they do, and you've said some particularly stupid things.

I strongly suggest you consider cutting your losses before you become part of my next sig.

Pliablemoose dances out of the thread, throwing $100 bills, and laughing like a maniac...

Go ahead and make a sig if that makes you happy. You haven't explained or done any exposition on the subject beyond insulting people.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Go ahead and make a sig if that makes you happy. You haven't explained or done any exposition on the subject beyond insulting people.

Only 10% of the world has smartphones. Your graph doesn't show the volume of devices sold, it only covers the US market. The graph you keep posting is like taking a photograph of one of the sub plots of a movie and trying to say it's the whole plot.

I look at that graph, and mentally, I extrapolate the sales growth each year I know occurred, and can visualize the change in it, and see it extrapolated to worldwide sales, and see the thing's data points move towards the future.

You're going on about how CD roms are a commodity and how that will hurt Apple because phones are or will become a commodity item. They will, but that's so far in the future, it's a meaningless comparison to make now.

The industry is massive and getting bigger every day, it is the future unfolding in front of you, it's a complex tapestry and you're picking at a loose thread.

You're failing to grasp some very simple concepts, this is grade school math, not calculus.

Done with this discussion. I give up.

 

[Arkaign]

Out of the 90% of the world that still lack smartphones :

How much of that market cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars for a phone?

How much of the remaining market will choose their device primarily on price, once the acceptable features are met?

You're 100% right that it's a complex issue, and there will probably be surprises for all of us over the years.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Can you blame Apple? The iPhone came out in 2007 and since then everyone else has tried to copy it.

 

[bfdd]

Can you blame Apple? The iPhone came out in 2007 and since then everyone else has tried to copy it.

LG Prada came out in 06, pretty sure Apple copied that. Not to mention smart phones had been around for a little while, remember Windows Mobile? How about Nokia's smart phones? please, Apple made smart phones main stream and only after the tmobile sidekick had become a major device among young people due to the features it had. If anything Apple copied and improved certain products from the industry into one device and did a pretty decent job at it.

 

[Arkaign]

Yep, for the most part Apple copied and cobbled together a bunch of good existing ideas, and put them all together to make one overall excellent product. It does become ironic when they start complaining of people copying them

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Is some holding a gun to your head and say Buy a Iphone Buy a Iphone? If you think its shit just dont buy it then. Its not a life essential

 

[Arkaign]

Is some holding a gun to your head and say Buy a Iphone Buy a Iphone? If you think its shit just dont buy it then. Its not a life essential

That's not really what this thread is about, and I don't think anyone is saying that at all. Hell, I'm thinking about getting the iP5 if it's as good as it should be.

This thread is about their increasingly aggressive patent stance, and how it relates to the future of the smartphone market.