Why all the Palin angst?

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

Above you said...

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Higher IQ, have you heard the man talk? he sound like Pork Pig.

Which one is it? He's a great speaker or Porky Pig? Or are you just FOS?

He can give a speech but when asked a question when he has to think he sound like Pork Pig, he is stuttering and pausing and is clearly frustrated he has to explain his radical views, at the end of the day you have no idea what he says.

I don't remember the debate but he was asked a question and he went round and round and talked for 5 min and the other candidates had no idea what he said then the next candidate was asked the same question and they responded with a one word answer and the place erupted in laughter. (Sorry I don't remember the specifics but it was funny)

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

He WILL NOT be honest.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Michael
I lived as an expat in Asia for 3 years (back just over 1 year) and travel all over the world now.

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

Oh how the world loved us with Clinton and Carter, it just gives me goosebumps.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

After 8 years of the rest of the world hating us Obama simply being graciously accepted by foreign citizens while he was there is enough for me. How is McCain being greeted?

They loved us under Clinton and Carter?

More than now. More than McCain. Where are our allies these days?

Originally posted by: Michael

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Fern
A Jew for Jesus guy is equated with Rev Wright? How is being a JfJ controversial?

Seriously? Did you miss the entire middle of the article referenced? It said, among other things, that "David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus" is "a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations." The whole purpose of Jews for Jesus is converting Jews to Christianity. I can't imagine why Jews would have a problem with that, can you?

Only slightly controversial....

So one guy Jewish guy is trying to convert another to his religion and that's some kind of Big Fvcking Deal? No, I don't see it; guess I'm all confused by that freedom of religious thing people have and how they get to make their own personal choices etc.. And yeah, I get how religious one type doesn't want another picking off his/her followers. Still I don't see the big deal [shrug]

Now, I can see that remarks about how terrorist attacks are because God is mad at them for not believing etc are offensive. But again, that seems more along the lines of *hurricanes punish homosexuals* etc.

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

He WILL NOT be honest.

Oh I'm honest and on second thought yes both sides could say the same about the other except when the Party of Robertson, Falwell and Palin, the Republicans, say it it's a lie.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Michael
I lived as an expat in Asia for 3 years (back just over 1 year) and travel all over the world now.

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

This is great. Thanks for clearing up this misconception. So, when we hear repugs spouting this same nonsense, they should be branded as misinformed or maybe democrit plants.

I suppose next you will contend that the borrow and spend method of repug gov't is a myth also.

Where have you been? You could have saved people a lot of useless discussion in the u.s.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Just because you and your ilk repeat it over and over doesn't make it true. Keep trying though...

Are you saying she is less qualified to be a VP than Obama to be the President or is Obama more qualified than McCain?

She is no community organizer.

Both.

The communist organizer goes a long way?

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: Michael
I lived as an expat in Asia for 3 years (back just over 1 year) and travel all over the world now.

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

You're WRONG.

As an European, I can say you're just... way off.

It is true that Germany and France both have better diplomatic relationships with Washington. That is due to their new governments in place (Merkel and Sarkozy being more right-ish than Chirac and Schroder who BOTH DESPISED the USA, especially during the War in Iraq).

However, the "popular opinion" does not follow....

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

He WILL NOT be honest.

Oh I'm honest and on second thought yes both sides could say the same about the other except when the Party of Robertson, Falwell and Palin, the Republicans, say it it's a lie.

What's the other party, the party of Wright, Jackson and Obama?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

He WILL NOT be honest.

Oh I'm honest and on second thought yes both sides could say the same about the other except when the Party of Robertson, Falwell and Palin, the Republicans, say it it's a lie.

What's the other party, the party of Wright, Jackson and Obama?

Michael Jackson isn't active politically at all.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

He WILL NOT be honest.

Oh I'm honest and on second thought yes both sides could say the same about the other except when the Party of Robertson, Falwell and Palin, the Republicans, say it it's a lie.

What's the other party, the party of Wright, Jackson and Obama?

Michael Jackson isn't active politically at all.

That's why he is backing Obama.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Fern
So one guy Jewish guy is trying to convert another to his religion and that's some kind of Big Fvcking Deal? No, I don't see it; guess I'm all confused by that freedom of religious thing people have and how they get to make their own personal choices etc.. And yeah, I get how religious one type doesn't want another picking off his/her followers. Still I don't see the big deal [shrug]

Now, I can see that remarks about how terrorist attacks are because God is mad at them for not believing etc are offensive. But again, that seems more along the lines of *hurricanes punish homosexuals* etc.

Fern

Don't let the name fool you, Jews for Jesus are not Jewish. They are former Jews who have become born-again Christians. Their entire aim is to convert Jews to Christianity, and they accomplish this with a series of pamphlets that misrepresent Judaism and contain outright lies about how Jews must accept Jesus to become fully Jewish (which is a real head scratcher when you think about it). It's offensive because they are essentially lying to these people to convert them. It's roughly the same as taking an impressionable Christian and saying, "No, look, because of the story of the Garden of Eden, Jesus wants you to bite this apple and then renounce your ties to the kingdom of heaven, for only then will you be free to bask in the glory of the almighty," and calling the group Christians for the Morning Star.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: Michael
I lived as an expat in Asia for 3 years (back just over 1 year) and travel all over the world now.

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

You're WRONG.

As an European, I can say you're just... way off.

That's funny, I thought Quebec was in Canada. (Your profile says you live in Quebec, Canada)

I lived in Europe for about 7-8 years back in the mid-80's to the early 90's.

There isn't much love lost, I agree with Michael. Our Presidents just aren't popular over there, why should they be? If you're European and think we oughtta care what you guys what you think, be aware that that many of who have lived abroad know that you guys don't give a sh!t about what we think of your countries. So, it works both ways as it should.

But I do understand that GWB is not popular abroad, and frankly I don't give a crap. It hasn't got much to do with anything. Most Americans crying about this haven't clue how to locate their own state on a map, much less another country. Nor can they name many in our government, much less that of other countries. People here bitch about China all the time, yet their homes are full of Chinese products etc.

Fern

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Farang
Because it wasn't a harmless pander, McCain did not pick the most qualified person and instead he picked a woman solely so he could go after the woman vote and accuse the other side of sexism (which they are quick enough to do you know they'd planned it all along). A key theme of Obama's stump speech isn't "Let's elect the first black President" but her main theme is electing a woman to the Vice Presidency. I don't believe a vagina is relevant qualification for that office.

Kind of curious, then, how tons of Democrats screamed at Bush for nominating 2 men to the Supreme Court, a position that has much more power than the VP.

Apparently a vagina was relevant there.

Because it isn't about man vs. woman. It is about who you feel is confident to do the job. I think that I speak for millions of Americans (not all so don't going flying off all half-cocked) when I say that I have absolutely zero, none, nada, nill confidence in Palin to do the job of President. I do in Obama, McCain and Biden.

Now, of the other three, only two can be President come January 21, 2009. Obama is young and is not likely to die of natural causes so his VP selection is kind of irrelevant in that regard. He is however, at more risk of an assassination attempt due to the latent racism that still exists in this country. I feel completely comfortable with Biden being ready for the job.

McCain has the ability to do the job and until recent decisions had my confidence. Being a "maverick" and making decisions just for the sake of making them no matter how bad they are doesn't really keep it at high levels however. Now, with McCain's age and health history being what they are, he is much more likely to die of natural causes in office. That would leave Palin as President.

Surely you can see where this is headed?

Of course you claim to have confidence in Obama. It has nothing to do with experience; it just happens to be because you agree with what he claims to be his positions.

 

[Zedtom]

That incessant Republican talking point...

that Palin will attract a lot of independent female voters

when spoken or written by men makes me wonder if women have to be told who to vote for.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there is genuine concern McSenile nominated a total nobody out of right field who has no qualifications at all to be President simply to try to win an election, and the consequences, if he dies, be damned. It's damn sad and pathetic.

Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

Besides sitting on the Senate Foreign Relations committee and having traveled the world? Besides having studied for years and articulated policies for every foreign policy issue we currently face? Enough. Go read something.

In other words, he's good at regurgitating the Pelosi line. Great!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

The only reason he isn't is because of blind and inflexible partisan hacks like yourself. Hey, Carter still has his supporters too.

Comrade one of us is a partisan hack

That's right. And it's not me as most everyone else here already knows. In fact, I've denounced the Dems here many times in the past, and (as it seems you weren't paying attention) I just denounced Carter right here.

I have no love for either party. The fact is just that this year it is the Republican's turn to lose. The party's ideology (once new and great in Reagan's day) have become a dead-end and a hollow hypocrisy of itself, and it's time for fresh thinking and a new way of doing things.
I don't expect the Republican party's blind faithful, like yourself, to understand. In fact, I expect you to do what you have been doing, which is to become more and more desperate and extremist the more your ideology falls out of favor with the rest of the country. Which is why you call me "comrade" when the slogans at your party's convention this year are "Service" and "Country First."

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Michael
As for the whining about the Palin frenzy in the press (what did anyone expect, she's new and has not been researched and discussed yet), the only thing I find funny is the Left arguing against her because she is a woman. Always seems to be the same, if the Right have a Black candidate, then he is not the right sort of Black. This woman I guess is not the right sort of woman for them.

Michael

Well this is a load of shit if I've ever seen one here. And here the right has gotten upset when the race card has played on them with Obama! Wow....
The "left" doesn't like Palin because she is as absolutely as far from their beliefs as a person could be. FFS, she opposes abortion even in cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy. And as we come to learn more and more about here, that seems to be just the tip of her socially conservative extremism. And you expect the socially liberal left to fawn all over her just because she's a woman??

You see, this is where the "right" always screw it up when it comes to racism and sexism. You actually believe that any black will do or that any woman will do. That 'male guilt' or 'white guilt' actually play a part when it just so happens that the best candidate is a black or a woman. And sorry, guy, that's not the case. In fact, it's insulting... to blacks, to women, and to all the rest of us too, right or left.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Speaking of scared how'd you like to be that poor sap that knocked up her daughter?

And we will eventually see the true extent of her cynicism if she forces her 17 year old daughter to marry this young guy no matter what just to pander to the yee-haw religious right.

If he plays his cards right he's going places.

Picture only

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Speaking of scared how'd you like to be that poor sap that knocked up her daughter?

And we will eventually see the true extent of her cynicism if she forces her 17 year old daughter to marry this young guy no matter what just to pander to the yee-haw religious right.

If he plays his cards right he's going places.

Picture only

WTF? McCain is trying to silence the media?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Farang
Because it wasn't a harmless pander, McCain did not pick the most qualified person and instead he picked a woman solely so he could go after the woman vote and accuse the other side of sexism (which they are quick enough to do you know they'd planned it all along). A key theme of Obama's stump speech isn't "Let's elect the first black President" but her main theme is electing a woman to the Vice Presidency. I don't believe a vagina is relevant qualification for that office.

Kind of curious, then, how tons of Democrats screamed at Bush for nominating 2 men to the Supreme Court, a position that has much more power than the VP.

Apparently a vagina was relevant there.

Because it isn't about man vs. woman. It is about who you feel is confident to do the job. I think that I speak for millions of Americans (not all so don't going flying off all half-cocked) when I say that I have absolutely zero, none, nada, nill confidence in Palin to do the job of President. I do in Obama, McCain and Biden.

Now, of the other three, only two can be President come January 21, 2009. Obama is young and is not likely to die of natural causes so his VP selection is kind of irrelevant in that regard. He is however, at more risk of an assassination attempt due to the latent racism that still exists in this country. I feel completely comfortable with Biden being ready for the job.

McCain has the ability to do the job and until recent decisions had my confidence. Being a "maverick" and making decisions just for the sake of making them no matter how bad they are doesn't really keep it at high levels however. Now, with McCain's age and health history being what they are, he is much more likely to die of natural causes in office. That would leave Palin as President.

Surely you can see where this is headed?

Of course you claim to have confidence in Obama. It has nothing to do with experience; it just happens to be because you agree with what he claims to be his positions.

I agree with his positions too (most of the time)

Imagine that, picking a candidate because of his positions on issues! *gasp!!!*

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Speaking of scared how'd you like to be that poor sap that knocked up her daughter?

And we will eventually see the true extent of her cynicism if she forces her 17 year old daughter to marry this young guy no matter what just to pander to the yee-haw religious right.

If he plays his cards right he's going places.

Picture only

This is enlightening. The democrits have missed the boat all this time. All they needed to do was to let obama be attacked for a while then say, "ok, this attack is over".

?This nonsense is over,? declared senior campaign adviser Steve Schmidt in a written statement.

The naive arrogance...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Vic
-snip-
Which is why you call me "comrade" when the slogans at your party's convention this year are "Service" and "Country First."

Hehe. Nice observation.

Fern

 

[Michael]

However, the "popular opinion" does not follow....

If the unpopularity of the USA was really such a big deal, then the French and Germans would not have elected the two parties that won as it was well known that they were much more pro-USA than the people they were running against.

I'm not American (I'm actually from Montreal originally), so many people opened up in terms of what negative views they had about the USA. I also can read French quite well, so I was always able to read the press in France (and Belgium and of course the UK and Ireland).

I find it is absurd fiction that the USA was so beloved before Bush was in power. A decade before Bush won the election, and all through the Clinton years it was common advice for American travellers to wear a Canadian flag lapel pin or badge on their backpack.

As an interesting fact, most expat Americans are not too fond of Bush because he raised taxes on expats. I was a supporter when he first ran, but, based on his domestic policy, I am very glad that his term is ending and we will be done with him.

Michael