Why all the Palin angst?

[UberNeuman]

Why all the Palin angst?

No angst here - the damage to the GOP over this is done....

and it'll be the gift that'll keeps on giving.....

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I posted this in another thread. Basically:

We've had 18+ months to learn about, dissect, and discuss Obama. If you search this forum and its archives, you'll discover that we've made hundreds of threads and tens of thousands of posts about Obama.

Biden has been on the large political scene for decades; he's run for president a few times. Same with McCain.

Palin is new blood. She was such a long shot for the VP slot that nobody vetted her seriously. The "media eruption" on Palin is basically a condensed version of what the other candidates went through.

She will be discussed. Democrats will tear her life apart and go through it with a fine toothed comb. Republicans will drink the party Kool-Aid and recite lines about her "executive experience". Independents will choose where their loyalties lay, but polls are showing that they are NOT so hot about Palin.

Wow....A really good/unbiased assessment. Great job.

 

[Michael]

Perknose,

but it is her POLICIES that scare me.

I think that you and Harvey are both scared that your side will lose once again. you've both showed consistent talent for poor political analysis in the past, so it will be very interesting to see what happens this time around. Your side lost twice against a man that in your opinion is way sub-standard, so I wonder what will happen this time.

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As for the whining about the Palin frenzy in the press (what did anyone expect, she's new and has not been researched and discussed yet), the only thing I find funny is the Left arguing against her because she is a woman. Always seems to be the same, if the Right have a Black candidate, then he is not the right sort of Black. This woman I guess is not the right sort of woman for them.

Michael

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Perknose
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That's simply NOT TRUE. Fern, you should know how the earmark process works!! There isn't any a priori pool of money which is then sliced up, such that funds not earmarked for one project go to another. It doesn't work that way at all.

Nope, my understanding is that under the current system the total amount of money is allocated/promised.

They only get around to allocating it in detail later (after the bill passes).

IIRC, we've had some scandel stuff on that already.

Fern

Edit: HERE'S some legislation (2007 article) on attempting to clean up the earmark process and mandate detailed info on specific earmarks BEFORE passage. IDK if it ever passed, I haven't seen anything that says it did. The scandel I mention above is the Coconut Road earmark

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Huh? ~6 points is a dominant lead in a Presidential race, especially in an openly contested race. That would be the largest margin of victory since GHW beat Dukakis.
The facts are that this race was statistically tied until just last week, when the Dems held a highly successful convention, followed by a very questionable VP pick by McCain.

The last few elections have been almost 50/50 when it comes to vote tallys...the polls should be reflecting similar figures.

I beg to differ. Kerry commanded a 6 point lead over Bush after the 2004 DNC...unfortunately, he was unable to sustain that lead:

Convention Gives Kerry Slight Lead Over Bush

Presidential race: Convention brings Kerry poll bounce over Bush

Obama is essentially enjoying the same poll bounce that Kerry gained over Bush...the question now remains whether or not Obama can sustain the lead.

Yes, but McCain won't have enough states trying to push through gay marriage bans to get enough people to the polls that will just yank the (R) lever and will lose some of the states that Bush carried because of it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Michael
Perknose,

but it is her POLICIES that scare me.

I think that you and Harvey are both scared that your side will lose once again. you've both showed consistent talent for poor political analysis in the past, so it will be very interesting to see what happens this time around. Your side lost twice against a man that in your opinion is way sub-standard, so I wonder what will happen this time.

---

As for the whining about the Palin frenzy in the press (what did anyone expect, she's new and has not been researched and discussed yet), the only thing I find funny is the Left arguing against her because she is a woman. Always seems to be the same, if the Right have a Black candidate, then he is not the right sort of Black. This woman I guess is not the right sort of woman for them.

Michael

She's not the right sort of Politician who just happens to be a woman. We don't need Moral Interventionists running our country, especially one who's own family doesn't follow her beliefs.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there is genuine concern McSenile nominated a total nobody out of right field who has no qualifications at all to be President simply to try to win an election, and the consequences, if he dies, be damned. It's damn sad and pathetic.

Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Just because you and your ilk repeat it over and over doesn't make it true. Keep trying though...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Michael

I think that you and Harvey are both scared that your side will lose once again. you've both showed consistent talent for poor political analysis in the past

Buahahaha!!!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Michael
I think that you and Harvey are both scared that your side will lose once again. you've both showed consistent talent for poor political analysis in the past, so it will be very interesting to see what happens this time around. Your side lost twice against a man that in your opinion is way sub-standard, so I wonder what will happen this time.

Be fair, the "side" that lost in the last 8 years has been the American people (or so 70+ percent of us seem to think).

Originally posted by: Michael
As for the whining about the Palin frenzy in the press (what did anyone expect, she's new and has not been researched and discussed yet), the only thing I find funny is the Left arguing against her because she is a woman. Always seems to be the same, if the Right have a Black candidate, then he is not the right sort of Black. This woman I guess is not the right sort of woman for them.

Who has argued against her because she is a woman? Show me one argument that specifically says "she is a bad choice because she is a woman."

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Michael
Perknose,

but it is her POLICIES that scare me.

I think that you and Harvey are both scared that your side will lose once again. you've both showed consistent talent for poor political analysis in the past, so it will be very interesting to see what happens this time around. Your side lost twice against a man that in your opinion is way sub-standard, so I wonder what will happen this time.

---

As for the whining about the Palin frenzy in the press (what did anyone expect, she's new and has not been researched and discussed yet), the only thing I find funny is the Left arguing against her because she is a woman. Always seems to be the same, if the Right have a Black candidate, then he is not the right sort of Black. This woman I guess is not the right sort of woman for them.

Michael

She's not the right sort of Politician who just happens to be a woman. We don't need Moral Interventionists running our country, especially one who's own family doesn't follow her beliefs.

Obama want's us be our brother's keeper.

 

[Michael]

Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

History is rife with "unqualified" VP candidates. Until recently (Cheney), all most VPs did was open shopping centers. Sure, they're briefed and everything, but it is pretty much a nothing job.

Michael

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

After 8 years of the rest of the world hating us Obama simply being graciously accepted by foreign citizens while he was there is enough for me. How is McCain being greeted?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there is genuine concern McSenile nominated a total nobody out of right field who has no qualifications at all to be President simply to try to win an election, and the consequences, if he dies, be damned. It's damn sad and pathetic.

Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Just because you and your ilk repeat it over and over doesn't make it true. Keep trying though...

Are you saying she is less qualified to be a VP than Obama to be the President or is Obama more qualified than McCain?


She is no community organizer.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

After 8 years of the rest of the world hating us Obama simply being graciously accepted by foreign citizens while he was there is enough for me. How is McCain being greeted?

They loved us under Clinton and Carter?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ballatician

I read some story about her anti-Jewish preacher and seeing how important Jeremiah Wright was in people judging Obama, I'm surprised it hasn't been made a bigger deal.

Some story:

Jewish voters may be wary of Palin


By BEN SMITH

ST. PAUL, Minn. ? Barack Obama has struggled for 18 months to lock down the support of a traditionally Democratic group, Jewish voters.

In the past week, John McCain may have helped Obama with his Jewish problem by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.
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An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin?s church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus.

Palin?s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church?s website.

?He?s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,? Kroon said.

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

?The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,? he said. Brickner?s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of ?targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.?

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment ? you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner?s views to her.

The quote is accurate. The link in the article goes to a list of sermons downloadable as Word documents.

How much of this anti-semitic crap is Palin's belief is hers to explain, but considering the stink Republicans made about Jeramiah Wright's sermons, Palin owes the same kind of public explanation of her own beliefs as Obama gave about Rev. Wright's statements.

So a Jew for Jesus guy is a guest speaker at Palin's church one time, and this is a scandel on par with Rev Wright?

A Jew for Jesus guy is equated with Rev Wright? How is being a JfJ controversial?

How is a one time guest speaker equal to a long serving preacher who is Obama's mentor and baptizes his kids etc?

All I see is she may have heard a guest speaker at her (part-time) church make a statement more like one those "Hurricans punish homo's" thingys?

Fern

 

[Michael]

Harvey,

Buahahaha!!!

See, doesn't relaxing and laughing feel better?

However, you've been on the losing side everytime I've paid attention. I lived in Singapore for 3 years, so I didn't follow this forum too closely then. Not too sure why I am now except that my kids are old enough to ask questions. They both like Obama, btw, although they're worried that the higher taxes on our "rich" family means less Webkinz for them if he wins.

Posting here and getting your blood pressure up isn't going to change the election one bit.

You can also sleep at night knowing I can't even vote this time around, and even if I did, there is no way that McCain is winning California. The best I could ever do once I can vote is cancel my wife out, she's 100% Democrat.

Michael

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Do you mean abortions?

Newsflash: There is more to 'birth control' than abortion. Obama is talking about sex-ed. Not idiotic abstinence only 'education'.

Higher IQ, have you heard the man talk? he sound like Pork Pig.

Clearly your bias considering his main criticism is he's all flowery talk.

He is a religous nutjob, have you heard about his church?

Have you heard any religious nutjob crap come out of HIS OWN mouth? No. Palin has.

I agree with you about immigration.

We'll see. Anything is better than status quo.

I agree I doubt either will advocate for the middle class.

We'll see but IMO Obama has more upside potential.

Responses in bold.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ballatician

I read some story about her anti-Jewish preacher and seeing how important Jeremiah Wright was in people judging Obama, I'm surprised it hasn't been made a bigger deal.

Some story:

Jewish voters may be wary of Palin


By BEN SMITH

ST. PAUL, Minn. ? Barack Obama has struggled for 18 months to lock down the support of a traditionally Democratic group, Jewish voters.

In the past week, John McCain may have helped Obama with his Jewish problem by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.
.
.
An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin?s church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus.

Palin?s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church?s website.

?He?s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,? Kroon said.

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

?The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,? he said. Brickner?s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of ?targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.?

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment ? you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner?s views to her.

The quote is accurate. The link in the article goes to a list of sermons downloadable as Word documents.

How much of this anti-semitic crap is Palin's belief is hers to explain, but considering the stink Republicans made about Jeramiah Wright's sermons, Palin owes the same kind of public explanation of her own beliefs as Obama gave about Rev. Wright's statements.

So a Jew for Jesus guy is a guest speaker at Palin's church one time, and this is a scandel on par with Rev Wright?

A Jew for Jesus guy is equated with Rev Wright? How is being a JfJ controversial?

How is a one time guest speaker equal to a long serving preacher who is Obama's mentor and baptizes his kids etc?

All I see is she may have heard a guest speaker at her (part-time) church make a statement more like one those "Hurricans punish homo's" thingys?

Fern

Liberals don't see a difference.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

Above you said...

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Higher IQ, have you heard the man talk? he sound like Pork Pig.

Which one is it? He's a great speaker or Porky Pig? Or are you just FOS?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: eleison
Don't forget, Obama was also involved the largest circle jerk in europe where over 200 thousand europeans were able to shake his nutsack and shallow his "hope" juice. If thats not foreign relation experience, I just don't know

Man I love that argument, goes well with my Freedom Fries.

If the rest of the world doesn't hate us, then we're not doing a good enough job. The fact that europeans aren't immediately offended and scared by Obama must mean that he's a pussy and/or gay.

Exactly... I'm guessing most of the people who laugh about other countries embracing Obama probably haven't traveled outside the US in a while - if ever. If they had they'd understand how much the GWB&Co administration has destroyed world opinion of this country.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Michael
Red Dawn,

Moral Interventionists

Be honest. Couldn't both sides say the same thing about the other side?

No

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Fern
A Jew for Jesus guy is equated with Rev Wright? How is being a JfJ controversial?

Seriously? Did you miss the entire middle of the article referenced? It said, among other things, that "David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus" is "a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations." The whole purpose of Jews for Jesus is converting Jews to Christianity. I can't imagine why Jews would have a problem with that, can you?

Only slightly controversial....

 

[Michael]

I lived as an expat in Asia for 3 years (back just over 1 year) and travel all over the world now.

I laugh at the "destroyed reputation" statements. Do you think it was great before? Plus, why the swing back towards the Right in Europe and the much warmer relations between France and Germany and the USA today?

In all runs in cycles, there really is nothing to that line of attack.

Michael

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Just because you and your ilk repeat it over and over doesn't make it true. Keep trying though...

Are you saying she is less qualified to be a VP than Obama to be the President or is Obama more qualified than McCain?

She is no community organizer.

Both.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

After 8 years of the rest of the world hating us Obama simply being graciously accepted by foreign citizens while he was there is enough for me. How is McCain being greeted?

They loved us under Clinton and Carter?

More than now. More than McCain. Where are our allies these days?