Why all the Palin angst?

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Perknose
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A person who NOW says she is against earmarks, but who, as mayor of a town of 6,000 or so people, hired a paid lobbyist to go to Washington to suck off the federal teat and came away with 28 million dollars worth of earmarks, out of our tax money?

I don't confuse the poeple who ask for tax money with those who give it away.

Requesting != granting

IMO, it's Congresses fault for giving it away, I do not blame those who requested it.

Nor do I see how (successfully) asking for funds is any type of a indicator of giving (earmarks) freely.

As mayor or governorshe'd be stupid not to garner what she could for her city/state. We should all know by now that whatever she declined to accept for her city/state would have had zero impact on the natuional deficit. The money would have just been given to some other earmak/project.
Fern

That's simply NOT TRUE. Fern, you should know how the earmark process works!! There isn't any a priori pool of money which is then sliced up, such that funds not earmarked for one project go to another. It doesn't work that way at all.

Each additional earmark IS a further drain on the national deficit.

And the SCALE of her socialist teat-sucking is monumental. Fern, how many other communtities of 6,000 plus do you know of that have their own paid lobbyist in Washington?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Don't you think it's a little disingenuous of her to talk about refusing federal tax money though?

Well?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there is genuine concern McSenile nominated a total nobody out of right field who has no qualifications at all to be President simply to try to win an election, and the consequences, if he dies, be damned. It's damn sad and pathetic.

Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

He has his advisors and when he becomes President he'll have his cabinet members and their staff. What he won't have is the old failures that make up the Republican foreign policy experts who served Bush and America all so well...wait they didn't, in fact they fucked us.

We don't need the experience McBush and Palidan are offering that's for sure.

He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: eleison
Don't forget, Obama was also involved the largest circle jerk in europe where over 200 thousand europeans were able to shake his nutsack and shallow his "hope" juice. If thats not foreign relation experience, I just don't know

Man I love that argument, goes well with my Freedom Fries.

If the rest of the world doesn't hate us, then we're not doing a good enough job. The fact that europeans aren't immediately offended and scared by Obama must mean that he's a pussy and/or gay.

Heh. I still remember Fox News' commentary of the Berlin speech. That Europeans like Obama because (and I do quote) "he represents everything un-American."
Liberal media indeed!

Surely it couldn't be that, Europeans, having had the crap bombed out of them twice in the past hundred years, and their own homes and fields used a battlegrounds, are more confident that Obama won't go out of his way to intentionally start WWIII? Nah, it's not like McCain has said he wants to provoke war with Iran, Russia, and about everyone else, is it? Couldn't be...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there is genuine concern McSenile nominated a total nobody out of right field who has no qualifications at all to be President simply to try to win an election, and the consequences, if he dies, be damned. It's damn sad and pathetic.

Unlike Obama?

Palin might not be the most qualified but she is substantially more qualified than Obama.

Seriously. I mean Alaska's next to Russia and Canada...she has to have developed keen foreign policy knowledge by osmosis!

What foreign policy does Obama have besides not voting?

He has his advisors and when he becomes President he'll have his cabinet members and their staff. What he won't have is the old failures that make up the Republican foreign policy experts who served Bush and America all so well...wait they didn't, in fact they fucked us.

We don't need the experience McBush and Palidan are offering that's for sure.

He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Ahh so you think that Bush and his handlers did a good job over the last 7+ years. Well then McSame and Palin is your ticket if you want 4 more years of the same.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Has anyone posted about her church's views? I read some story about her anti-Jewish preacher and seeing how important Jeremiah Wright was in people judging Obama, I'm surprised it hasn't been made a bigger deal.

Interesting. It seems her pastor, Larry Kroon, invited David Brickner of Jews for Jesus to speak in front of the Wasilla Bible Church (Palin's regular church) just 2 weeks ago, where he said that terrorist attacks on Jews are God's judgment for their failure to embrace Christianity. And it is known that Palin was present for the sermon. It's a bit thin, but worrying none the less.

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Thanks, that was it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

You may be quite content with a radical religious fundamentalist who ran against a Lutheran under the banner, "?We will have our first Christian mayor" and who tried to ban books in the local library and then tried to fire the local librarian who opposed that, but it is her POLICIES that scare me.

:thumbsup:

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I've said before this discussion has gotten totally off base. The issue is really not which one, Obama or Palin has less experience. Neither one of them has very much. That's the whole point though, McCain made the experience thing an issue, and then nominated someone who didn't have any. Considering his self professed standard for a VP is 'someone able to succeed him', this implies that he believes Palin has enough experience to do so. If she does, then Obama does.

You can't talk about experience and then nominate someone that you have to pathetically claim has foreign policy experience because a remote corner of her mostly unpopulated state technically borders a remote corner of a mostly unpopulated region of Russia. Just admit it people, McCain's pick doesn't square with his campaign talk. Maybe Palin is a great pick for other reasons, but she undermines his central message.

So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I've said before this discussion has gotten totally off base. The issue is really not which one, Obama or Palin has less experience. Neither one of them has very much. That's the whole point though, McCain made the experience thing an issue, and then nominated someone who didn't have any. Considering his self professed standard for a VP is 'someone able to succeed him', this implies that he believes Palin has enough experience to do so. If she does, then Obama does.

You can't talk about experience and then nominate someone that you have to pathetically claim has foreign policy experience because a remote corner of her mostly unpopulated state technically borders a remote corner of a mostly unpopulated region of Russia. Just admit it people, McCain's pick doesn't square with his campaign talk. Maybe Palin is a great pick for other reasons, but she undermines his central message.

So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Could be worse, he could have chosen a VP who espouses policies that her own family doesn't even follow, uses her position to go after ex BIL's and advocates censorship in the form of banning books and threatening Librarians with termination if they criticize her for it.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I suppose if BO had spoken at a seccesionist party gathering and his wife was once a member, you republicans would have nothing to say right.

Lol if you say you would have nothing to say, you are full of it.

I suppose the slogan Alaska First wouldn't go over to well.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

The only reason he isn't is because of blind and inflexible partisan hacks like yourself. Hey, Carter still has his supporters too.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

Must bug you the black neophyte senator with the thin resume and flowery speech is beating your venerable 3 decade plus experienced straight talkin maverick war hero.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

I think it's his speeches you just said "It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies" and I agree, he was running against the same old washed up Democratic political hacks, let's see John Edwards, Joe Biden, Clinton these people are not that hard to beat it's not like your trying to beat an iconic figure.


BTW I'm not saying that McCain is the best of the best.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

I think it's his speeches you just said "It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies" and I agree, he was running against the same old washed up Democratic political hacks, let's see John Edwards, Joe Biden, Clinton these people are not that hard to beat it's not like your trying to beat an iconic figure.

It wasn't hard for a black freshman senator named Barack Obama to beat tried and true blue democrats? Pass me some of that bud, mantom. Maybe you missed the entire world coronating Hillary well over a year ago when you couldn't find a bookie to take a bet against her?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Perknose
A would be book banner who ran against a Lutheran under the banner "?We will have our first Christian mayor"?

A "fiscal conservative" who increased the taxes 38% in her time in office as mayor while taking the SMALL town from zero debt to 22 million in debt, primarily to build a sports complex in a town that STILL doesn't have a sewage treatment plant or very good roads?

A radical religious fundamentalist who, if elected, will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?

A choice so desperate and pandering and rushed that she was not even vetted thoroughly by the very people who chose her?

A person who NOW says she is against earmarks, but who, as mayor of a town of 6,000 or so people, hired a paid lobbyist to go to Washington to suck off the federal teat and came away with 28 million dollars worth of earmarks, out of our tax money?

Yeah, really, why have any further scrutiny of her at all? Nothing to see here! Move along, move along. :roll:

Wow, you are SUCH a misogynist! I think you just need to shut up and praise her womanness.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

I think it's his speeches you just said "It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies" and I agree, he was running against the same old washed up Democratic political hacks, let's see John Edwards, Joe Biden, Clinton these people are not that hard to beat it's not like your trying to beat an iconic figure.


BTW I'm not saying that McCain is the best of the best.

Did you know he was a POW?

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

exactly. but what you seem to miss is that THAT's the reason that McCain has a fighting chance - hardly anyone wants a solid right-winger in office next year. McCain picking Palin (a solid right-winger) was a stupid move. it shows that McCain is bowing to party pressure more and more.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

Must bug you the black neophyte senator with the thin resume and flowery speech is beating your venerable 3 decade plus experienced straight talkin maverick war hero.

I'm not a McCain fan, like I just said Obama is making a race where he should be walking away with it. Obama is 1/2 black and it's funny that you bring it up I guess I'm a racist if I don't support Obama?

I don't see what the draw is for Obama besides the dislike of the rest of the Democratic party, perhaps you could enlighten me?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
He will have all the failed policies of the Dems and the change he bring with him with Biden, perhaps he will bring in Carter he is great with failed foreign policy.

Newsflash: it's the Pubs who are the current bearers of failed policy. These things go in cycles, and right now, Bush is your Carter.

Correct and Obama should be walking away with this election, I mean McCain isn't even liked by the Republicans and he is giving Obama everything he can handle.

The only reason he isn't is because of blind and inflexible partisan hacks like yourself. Hey, Carter still has his supporters too.

Comrade one of us is a partisan hack

 

[seemingly random]

I thought that mccain was at least the best of the worst. With this vp nomination, it appears that he doesn't have much respect for the u.s. On the other hand, this could be him poking the repug party in the eye for how it's treated him the last ten years.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

I think it's his speeches you just said "It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies" and I agree, he was running against the same old washed up Democratic political hacks, let's see John Edwards, Joe Biden, Clinton these people are not that hard to beat it's not like your trying to beat an iconic figure.


BTW I'm not saying that McCain is the best of the best.

Did you know he was a POW?

Obama? I thought he was a community organizer?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks
Ha. Just walked past a tv and the CNN headline was "Palin speech tonight to be most important of her career." Well, yeah! As opposed to what, that speech she gave to the PTA in 1999?

She should consult with Obama he has made his career making speeches.

No question, his public persona is what catapulted him into the spotlight. It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies. But he's been in that spotlight for the last 18 months, dissected under the microscope. He soundly defeated a field of veteran dems and wonks. If all he had was pretty words and eloquent speeches, he wouldn't be the nominee right now.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
So it's like Obama running on Change and getting away from the Washington establishment and Obama chooses Biden?

Go look up a few threads from two weeks ago when Biden was picked, no reason to rehash this again.

I think it's his speeches you just said "It certainly wasn't any revolutionary set of policies" and I agree, he was running against the same old washed up Democratic political hacks, let's see John Edwards, Joe Biden, Clinton these people are not that hard to beat it's not like your trying to beat an iconic figure.

It wasn't hard for a black freshman senator named Barack Obama to beat tried and true blue democrats? Pass me some of that bud, mantom. Maybe you missed the entire world coronating Hillary well over a year ago when you couldn't find a bookie to take a bet against her?

So the (voting)Democrats really disliked the same old Washington politicians?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern
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Definitely true. Don't you think it's a little disingenuous of her to talk about refusing federal tax money though?

(Same to jonks) IDK, I haven't seen her speak yet?

So far all I've seen is about a 5 second clip from the day McCain anounced her. They just showed the part about her recognizing Ferraro & Hillary.

Otherwise, it's been a tsunami of BS with rumors, innuendo, outright falsehood (AIP, not her baby things etc) and spin.

I'll be looking forward to her speech tonight.

Fern