Why all the Palin angst?

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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The more attention that is paid indicate the more concerned the opposition is about her.

In the past, the VP choice has been more of a non issue.

This may be the first time in recent history that the VP choice seems to be not for geographical ties, but for countering percieved weaknesses in your own plank or exposing issues on the other's.

And the Dems seemed to be much more concerned about Palin than the Rep do about Biden.

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

Palin may have that ability to pull in independents and the female vote.
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.
I don't know about the independent vote as they tend not to be socially conservative and the only females she'd attract would be the ones that'd vote for Republicans anyways, you know the Laura Ingram types.
 
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Originally posted by: Perknose
A would be book banner who ran against a Lutheran under the banner "?We will have our first Christian mayor"?

A "fiscal conservative" who increased the taxes 38% in her time in office as mayor while taking the SMALL town from zero debt to 22 million in debt, primarily to build a sports complex in a town that STILL doesn't have a sewage treatment plant or very good roads?

A radical religious fundamentalist who, if elected, will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?

A choice so desperate and pandering and rushed that she was not even vetted thoroughly by the very people who chose her?

A person who NOW says she is against earmarks, but who, as mayor of a town of 6,000 or so people, hired a paid lobbyist to go to Washington to suck off the federal teat and came away with 28 million dollars worth of earmarks, out of our tax money?

Yeah, really, why have any further scrutiny of her at all? Nothing to see here! Move along, move along. :roll:


Don't forget her willingness to open up land to drill, foregoing any wildlife that live there, global consequences be damned.
Angst? You bet your ass, she's a 'I saw jebus in some toaster streudel' away from thinking she's the one true speaker for god.
No, I don't want that type of psycho, vagina or penis wearing, in or near the oval office. We're too fucking close to that now.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: badnewcastle
It's because they know Paulin is a serious threat to Obama loosing.

yup

Well yes and no. I'm worried that IF Obama "looses" that McCain may not live out his first term, making the Mayor of Whoville the most powerful person in the world. That should worry everyone.

You mean the Governor of Alaska?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: badnewcastle
It's because they know Paulin is a serious threat to Obama loosing.

yup

Well yes and no. I'm worried that IF Obama "looses" that McCain may not live out his first term, making the Mayor of Whoville the most powerful person in the world. That should worry everyone.

at least domestically, she (and McCain as well) would be kept in check by congress.

it would certainly be interesting to see who the democratic congress would force on her as VP.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The more attention that is paid indicate the more concerned the opposition is about her.

In the past, the VP choice has been more of a non issue.

This may be the first time in recent history that the VP choice seems to be not for geographical ties, but for countering percieved weaknesses in your own plank or exposing issues on the other's.

And the Dems seemed to be much more concerned about Palin than the Rep do about Biden.

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

Palin may have that ability to pull in independents and the female vote.
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

Exactly. The more you see the media and groups on the left desperately try to throw up stories and "issues" to try and discredit her, the more you realize they are concerned. If they were not, they would simply treat it like any other VP selection -- pretty much a non-event (just like with Biden). The ironing is that the more they try to trash her, the more support she'll get amongst those women who feel female candidates are unfairly held to a different standard (many of the Hillary voters).

That said, her performance tonight at the convention is going to be important for her, being so new and an "outsider".
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The more attention that is paid indicate the more concerned the opposition is about her.

In the past, the VP choice has been more of a non issue.

This may be the first time in recent history that the VP choice seems to be not for geographical ties, but for countering percieved weaknesses in your own plank or exposing issues on the other's.

And the Dems seemed to be much more concerned about Palin than the Rep do about Biden.

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

Palin may have that ability to pull in independents and the female vote.
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

According to a recent Gallup poll McCain is actually losing women in the independant and Democratic sectors. On the bright side Palin seems to have shored up the Republican woman vote however.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: badnewcastle
It's because they know Paulin is a serious threat to Obama loosing.

yup

Nope. As was said above, McCain just opened up a large weakness. People have been waiting for one for awhile, and they pounced on it. Being that she's hot she would have gotten a bunch of attention anyway, but the fact that she has all these ridiculous stories in her background makes all that attention negative.

Like I said the day I heard it, an exceedingly poor VP choice.

Nope, it's not a weakness at all. She's no "weaker" than BHO and probably better/more experienced in some areas. So if she brings weakness as a 2nd - what does that say about your D ticket?
 

ayabe

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Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified and it's an obvious pander and an insult to the office of the VP. McCain and his handlers trying to claim she's qualified is weak, if she is, then so are all of us. This is the key here, if you feel your mom could run the country then ok vote for her and McCain.

She has a state school degree in journalism, would never have been elected to anything outside of the PTA if she didn't reside in Alaska.

She's being framed as a reformer and on day 1 proclaimed from on high that she was totally against the Bridge to Nowhere, when in fact, she was all for it, and many, many other pork projects when that issue was still under the radar.

She is an obvious wingnut who believes even in the case of rape and incest that abortion shouldn't be legal. How anyone can sentence a woman to that fate is beyond the pale.

She is an extreme partisan who has used her office to retaliate against people due to personal issues, this is more of the same, sounds like the W Justice Department to me.

My number #1 reason however, is that she claims to speak for God and his will. This should automatically disqualify anyone from any office in this country.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Farang
Because it wasn't a harmless pander, McCain did not pick the most qualified person and instead he picked a woman solely so he could go after the woman vote and accuse the other side of sexism (which they are quick enough to do you know they'd planned it all along). A key theme of Obama's stump speech isn't "Let's elect the first black President" but her main theme is electing a woman to the Vice Presidency. I don't believe a vagina is relevant qualification for that office.

Kind of curious, then, how tons of Democrats screamed at Bush for nominating 2 men to the Supreme Court, a position that has much more power than the VP.

Apparently a vagina was relevant there.

He got screamed at for nominating an unqualified person because of their vagina--Harriet Myers, and she was promptly rejected.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: badnewcastle
It's because they know Paulin is a serious threat to Obama loosing.

yup

Not really. All that needs to be done is for enough people to spread the word and paint a clear picture of Palin's political history and the fact that she is not the mother of the year like so many people currently believe and are basing their vote on. She is not a maverick of any kind. She is just business as usual. More of the same.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

You may be quite content with a radical religious fundamentalist who ran against a Lutheran under the banner, "?We will have our first Christian mayor" and who tried to ban books in the local library and then tried to fire the local librarian who opposed that, but it is her POLICIES that scare me.



 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

You may be quite content with a radical religious fundamentalist who ran against a Lutheran under the banner, "?We will have our first Christian mayor" and who tried to ban books in the local library and then tried to fire the local librarian who opposed that, but it is her POLICIES that scare me.
Speaking of scared how'd you like to be that poor sap that knocked up her daughter?
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Farang
Because it wasn't a harmless pander, McCain did not pick the most qualified person and instead he picked a woman solely so he could go after the woman vote and accuse the other side of sexism (which they are quick enough to do you know they'd planned it all along). A key theme of Obama's stump speech isn't "Let's elect the first black President" but her main theme is electing a woman to the Vice Presidency. I don't believe a vagina is relevant qualification for that office.

Kind of curious, then, how tons of Democrats screamed at Bush for nominating 2 men to the Supreme Court, a position that has much more power than the VP.

Apparently a vagina was relevant there.

Because it isn't about man vs. woman. It is about who you feel is confident to do the job. I think that I speak for millions of Americans (not all so don't going flying off all half-cocked) when I say that I have absolutely zero, none, nada, nill confidence in Palin to do the job of President. I do in Obama, McCain and Biden.

Now, of the other three, only two can be President come January 21, 2009. Obama is young and is not likely to die of natural causes so his VP selection is kind of irrelevant in that regard. He is however, at more risk of an assassination attempt due to the latent racism that still exists in this country. I feel completely comfortable with Biden being ready for the job.

McCain has the ability to do the job and until recent decisions had my confidence. Being a "maverick" and making decisions just for the sake of making them no matter how bad they are doesn't really keep it at high levels however. Now, with McCain's age and health history being what they are, he is much more likely to die of natural causes in office. That would leave Palin as President.

Surely you can see where this is headed?
 
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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

You may be quite content with a radical religious fundamentalist who ran against a Lutheran under the banner, "?We will have our first Christian mayor" and who tried to ban books in the local library and then tried to fire the local librarian who opposed that, but it is her POLICIES that scare me.

All weekend long it was all about what did or did not come out of her or her daughter's vagina. Now you have real issues? I think you and your ilk have exausted your credibility on the "real issues" front.
 

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified and it's an obvious pander and an insult to the office of the VP. ...

Yes, lets start at the top. How can you suggest she's unqualified as a Governor, yet BHO who's only "experienc" is a senator is qualified? You leftists are hilarious...
 

ProfJohn

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For the record:

Harriet Myers removed her name because the right went crazy over her selection.
Had nothing to do with her being a female, it had to do with her positions on issues the right considers important.
 
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified and it's an obvious pander and an insult to the office of the VP. ...

Yes, lets start at the top. How can you suggest she's unqualified as a Governor, yet BHO who's only "experienc" is a senator who has never authored a single piece of meaningful legislation is qualified? You leftists are hilarious...

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PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It is about who you feel is confident to do the job. I think that I speak for millions of Americans (not all so don't going flying off all half-cocked) when I say that I have absolutely zero, none, nada, nill confidence in Palin to do the job of President. I do in Obama, McCain and Biden.

And that would be strictly a matter of opinion. I feel exactly the same way about Obama as you do about Palin. I find his a likeable fellow who gives nice speeches about hope and change, but I have zero confidence in him being able to actually lead anything. Like Palin, he's never held any leadership position of large magnitude.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified and it's an obvious pander and an insult to the office of the VP. ...

Yes, lets start at the top. How can you suggest she's unqualified as a Governor, yet BHO who's only "experienc" is a senator who has never authored a single piece of meaningful legislation is qualified? You leftists are hilarious...

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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?

An unqualified Democrat is better for the country than any of the stay the course GOP at this point.
 

Starbuck1975

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Because Obama, the candidate of change, took the safe route in picking his VP, and McCain took a huge gamble that may or may not pay off.

McCain essentially introduced an element of uncertainty into the election at a time when it is still not clear whether or not Obama will be able to unite his party.

The angst is a manifestation of fear.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Because Obama, the candidate of change, took the safe route in picking his VP, and McCain took a huge gamble that may or may not pay off.

McCain essentially introduced an element of uncertainty into the election at a time when it is still not clear whether or not Obama will be able to unite his party.

The angst is a manifestation of fear.

At least Obama didn't pick his VP mostly to buy votes. If he wanted to do that he would have picked Hilary. He lost a lot of potential votes by not picking her.

Again, it is not fear. Palin is becoming more and more clear by the day. It's just a matter of time before enough of her supporters realize that she is just business as usual. Hell, enough of them may believe that already. There is nothing to fear. There is only discussion to be had.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?

An unqualified Democrat is better for the country than any of the stay the course GOP at this point.
No kidding. You think if Bush with his 7+ year of experience as President was able to run again he'd win? Experience of doing the job badly or of supporting failed policies isn't a positive.

 

ProfJohn

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I think a lot of it really has to do with the fact that she is 'different' than the media and Washington elite.

She hunts, is a life long member of NRA, goes to church and has strong religious beliefs. The people in Washington look at her as if she is some type of alien. My god she has never even been on Meet the Press!!!!!! OMG the horrors!!!!!

I hope she takes time tonight to respond to the double standard and sexist response her nominated has generated. She should go right after the press, especially on the sexism issue.

No one questions if Obama is being a bad dad by bringing his two young children to the White House.
No one questioned if JFK was a poor father for bringing newborn JFK Jr to the White House.
No on questioned if Biden was being a bad dad when he suddenly became a single dad and decided to take his Senate seat instead of spending more time with his kids. In fact, he claims he was encouraged to take his Senate seat.

But now a female wants to take her young family to Washington and it is "OMG what a horrible mother she is!!!!"
If Palin plays this right she could pick up a LOT of independent female voters.