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Who's the terrorist now?

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Originally posted by: faiznne
Racist? Who was the one that killed their own prime minister Yitzhak Rabin? A Muslim? No. An Israeli Jew did.

I never posted a link to any racist websites. And it's funny how any criticism of Israel is called anti-Semitic... or any slight display of so-called "White pride" is labeled racist. While all the blacks, Asians, Jews, Hispanics, Indians, etc. are allowed to be "proud" of their race.

Yay for Black Pride! Asian Pride! White Pride? NO, THAT'S RACIST. lmao.

Relax, you are overdoing it, we know that our worst enemy is ourselves.

Now Israel is withdrawing from Gaza, that is a start, baby steps, if just Sharon would die soon and be replaced by someone a bit less of a war criminal, things could progress even further.
 
Originally posted by: Metron
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

stop talking if you have no proof or facts. What university are you trying to get into? Radford? You have no brains, seriously. I told you kids need to go to kidsPnN.com. Where is your buttbuddy Trente to come defend you?

I could careless about the world. We see lots of terrorism in the United States don't we. Every single day. Damn these Muslims. Kick them out.

Aimster,

You could care less? So you do care then about how Muslims are perceived by the rest of the world... *smirk*

If you're going to use cliches, get them right... e.g. "I couldn't (or could NOT) care less."

My point: what I do see missing from most Muslim perspectives is that they don't acknowledge that members of THEIR religion have stepped over the line. Instead you offer statements like "..19 Arabs..." not 19 Muslims were responsible for the 9/11 attack. You won't accept or even acknowledge any responsibility that a Muslim is at fault. Why is that?

Maybe that's a cultural difference between Christians and Muslims, but I find it highly disheartening. Americans were saddened and disheartened by the actions of the military at Abu Grabe, and we didn't start spouting excuses like: "But they were not Americans..." or "But they were not Christians...". We accept and acknowledge that mistakes were made, and we're trying to hold those responsible to be accountable for their actions.

My question to you and the OP is: Why can't Muslims do the same?

Metron

I could careless about Israel-Palestine. People on this board will die for their side. I don't care for it. Yet it is brought up over and over and over and over.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Metron
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

stop talking if you have no proof or facts. What university are you trying to get into? Radford? You have no brains, seriously. I told you kids need to go to kidsPnN.com. Where is your buttbuddy Trente to come defend you?

I could careless about the world. We see lots of terrorism in the United States don't we. Every single day. Damn these Muslims. Kick them out.

Aimster,

You could care less? So you do care then about how Muslims are perceived by the rest of the world... *smirk*

If you're going to use cliches, get them right... e.g. "I couldn't (or could NOT) care less."

My point: what I do see missing from most Muslim perspectives is that they don't acknowledge that members of THEIR religion have stepped over the line. Instead you offer statements like "..19 Arabs..." not 19 Muslims were responsible for the 9/11 attack. You won't accept or even acknowledge any responsibility that a Muslim is at fault. Why is that?

Maybe that's a cultural difference between Christians and Muslims, but I find it highly disheartening. Americans were saddened and disheartened by the actions of the military at Abu Grabe, and we didn't start spouting excuses like: "But they were not Americans..." or "But they were not Christians...". We accept and acknowledge that mistakes were made, and we're trying to hold those responsible to be accountable for their actions.

My question to you and the OP is: Why can't Muslims do the same?

Metron

I could careless about Israel-Palestine. People on this board will die for their side. I don't care for it. Yet it is brought up over and over and over and over.

I would die, and might die for your right to express your side of the story.

Don't look down on those who are determined, without us, there would be no you.
 
Originally posted by: Metron
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

stop talking if you have no proof or facts. What university are you trying to get into? Radford? You have no brains, seriously. I told you kids need to go to kidsPnN.com. Where is your buttbuddy Trente to come defend you?

I could careless about the world. We see lots of terrorism in the United States don't we. Every single day. Damn these Muslims. Kick them out.

Aimster,

You could care less? So you do care then about how Muslims are perceived by the rest of the world... *smirk*

If you're going to use cliches, get them right... e.g. "I couldn't (or could NOT) care less."

My point: what I do see missing from most Muslim perspectives is that they don't acknowledge that members of THEIR religion have stepped over the line. Instead you offer statements like "..19 Arabs..." not 19 Muslims were responsible for the 9/11 attack. You won't accept or even acknowledge any responsibility that a Muslim is at fault. Why is that?

Maybe that's a cultural difference between Christians and Muslims, but I find it highly disheartening. Americans were saddened and disheartened by the actions of the military at Abu Grabe, and we didn't start spouting excuses like: "But they were not Americans..." or "But they were not Christians...". We accept and acknowledge that mistakes were made, and we're trying to hold those responsible to be accountable for their actions.

My question to you and the OP is: Why can't Muslims do the same?

Metron

emm, I care for both Palestinian and Israeli people. I believe no human life is worth not being cared about, even if it is bin Laden or President Bush. My care for human life does not exempt these people from being punished for their crimes.

19 PEOPLE were responsible for 9/11. On the flip side, the majority of USA is responsible for Iraq. Over 150000 soldiers are present in Iraq. Their action is terrorism, which because it is unlawful and done for ideological and political purposes. However, you and others like you continue to condemn a population of 1.2 billion Muslims for the actions of 19 people. The list of Islam/Muslim bashers on this forum is short, but nonetheless very vocal. On the contrary, there are quite a number of Muslims on this forum who do not bash Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, even though each of them have their fair share of extremists.

Your last paragraph claims the soldiers were punished for Abu Gharib. I believe a total of 8 soldiers were punished. That is not accoutability. Accountability would be when we punish Mr. Bush, Mr. Rumsfield and Mr. Cheney for the action in Iraq. Many Muslim nations are fighting aggressively against terror and terrorists. These nations include Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. Similarly, in my opinion, Iraqis are also fighting against terror.

My question to you is why do you not accept that Muslims are on the receiving end of terror in the past 20 years with over a million deaths, and continue to blame Muslims for terrorist actions?
 
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

Prove me wrong. Muslims commited almost all large terrorist acts in the last 5 years.

Large terrorist acts? You mean Al Qaeda with 15,000 members. 1.2 billion Muslims/15,000. Divide that number by the terroist who did the acts. WOW. You are GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!

It doesnt matter how many of them there are. All that matters is that MUSLIMS COMMITED ALMOST ALL TERRORIST ACTS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. Its a fact.

Please provide basis for your facts, or keep them with you. Go get a pacifier buddy 🙂

Prove me wrong. You will not find any big terrorist acts commited by non-muslims in the last several years. Also answer my question why do you live in the USA if you hate us so much?

Iraq invasion = terrorist attack

Hence, I proved you wrong. Now be quiet


Only thing you proved is that you are dumber than a rock that you live under. IF YOU HATE THE US SO MUCH WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

Since you have no reply to my claim, you're the dumbest on this forum. Terrorism is defined as unlawful use of force to acheive ideological or political objectives. Since there is NO WMD in Iraq, the war is unlawful. The Bush administration now claims that the purpose of invading Iraq was to spread democracy and freedom and liberty in Iraq, all of which are ideological objectives.

And your stupid claim of me hating the US is ridiculous. I dislike Islam/Muslim bashers like you who lie and are completely ignorant. That has nothing to do with why I am in the US.
 
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Yolner
99% of terrorist acts in the last few years commited by muslims.... What other facts do you need?

99%? Show me proof. Define terrorism. Thanks.

Prove me wrong. Muslims commited almost all large terrorist acts in the last 5 years.

Large terrorist acts? You mean Al Qaeda with 15,000 members. 1.2 billion Muslims/15,000. Divide that number by the terroist who did the acts. WOW. You are GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!

It doesnt matter how many of them there are. All that matters is that MUSLIMS COMMITED ALMOST ALL TERRORIST ACTS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. Its a fact.

Please provide basis for your facts, or keep them with you. Go get a pacifier buddy 🙂

Prove me wrong. You will not find any big terrorist acts commited by non-muslims in the last several years. Also answer my question why do you live in the USA if you hate us so much?

Why don't you answer a similar ?. Why do you live here if you hate Muslims so much? Go to Israel where you wish to be.

I dont hate muslims. I went to school with a few and they are decent people just like most blacks, mexicans, and asians. I do however hate ignorant idiots who refuse to accept that fact that terrorism has become almost exclusively a muslim hobby. Now answer my question.

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

Your point is kind of silly since the application of the term terrorism is based on the recipient of the action. Our nation building effort in the ME can be interpreted as a terrorist activity since many would argue that our war was unlawful and our messaeg is one of coercion through violence. All other justifications for going to war, after nation building, have been exhasted.

And btw, Tim McVeigh was not a muslim, nor Ted Kazcinksy, nor that fruitcake asian cult who gassed the tokyo subway. I could go on.

what he said ^^^
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Why are any of you guys responding to this Taliban lover?

Sultan, as much crap as you spew forth...just remember you probably wouldn't be able to get away with it anywhere else in the world.

anywhere else in the world your dissenting views would have been met with a potato bag over your head and a bullet between your eyes..if your lucky.

just remember that..

im out.

Ridiculous. I can voice my opinion in my home country which is a Muslim majority nations and has a Sharia (Islamic) court. Your narrow view and superiority complex is just a figment of your own imagination.

And the Taliban was set up by the United States, funded and trained to fight against the Soviets. Now since communism is no more, you need another source to expouse your hatred and come under influence of scare tactics. Remember Mr. McCarthy? Now Islam is your number 1 enemy. I feel sorry for your ignorant state of mind.

Just remember American media is far more polarised than any other country's media. What you see on TV is not always the facts on the ground.
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: OrByte
Why are any of you guys responding to this Taliban lover?

Sultan, as much crap as you spew forth...just remember you probably wouldn't be able to get away with it anywhere else in the world.

anywhere else in the world your dissenting views would have been met with a potato bag over your head and a bullet between your eyes..if your lucky.


just remember that..


im out.

WOAH!!! Cmon man, stop that.
That was just wrong, and I disagree with 99% of what Sultan has said.

Please don't stoop that low, he may have some flaws in his arguments but he has been respectful to everyone here.


I'd like you to shed light of what all 99% of my comments you disagree with. I'm open to your point of view and maybe you can change my perspective. My question still stands:

If over a million Muslims have died at the hands of others in the past 20 years, how the heck are Muslims blamed for being terrorists?
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wrong. Sultan is misguided in making excuses for terrorist operations and justifying their action, but I do not see him approving of them. His comparisons between the Iraq War and 9/11 are wrong, but you can not say that the perspective needs to be ignored. Obviously a lot Muslims see the similiarity and if we are to win the war on terror we need to recognize that.

Again, I disagree with the man, he is obviously hurt by what he percieves to be racism towards Muslims and has some misguided ideas.

Sorry, I am not correlating the actions of 9/11 and Iraq. 9/11 was no doubt a terrorist action and the perpetrators need to be punished. Similarly, the Iraq was is ALSO a terrorist action. Read the above posts, I am sure you can agree that this war was unlawful and done so for ideological or political purposes as stated by Mr. Bush himself - hence it IS a terrorist action. Therefore the perpetrators for this crime ALSO should be punished.

However, a number of people on this forum, like our little boy Mr. Yolner continues to bash Islam/Muslim as being the only source of terrorism. Thats preposterous.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wrong. Sultan is misguided in making excuses for terrorist operations and justifying their action, but I do not see him approving of them. His comparisons between the Iraq War and 9/11 are wrong, but you can not say that the perspective needs to be ignored. Obviously a lot Muslims see the similiarity and if we are to win the war on terror we need to recognize that.

Again, I disagree with the man, he is obviously hurt by what he percieves to be racism towards Muslims and has some misguided ideas.

I believe Sultan is a fanatical wacko. However, this does not make him a terrorist. He disagrees with the war in Iraq and he disagrees with the way Israel handles the Palestinian situation. Millions of Americans feel the same way he does. He just expresses his reasoning differently. If anyone truely believes Sultan is a terrorist then you should call the FBI. He is just a religious fanatic who has taken his religion to the extremes and beyond and is trying to live a life for himself in the U.S.

The only reason I jumped into this thread is because people were classifying all Muslims as terrorist. When I saw a beheading on TV I was furious. My mom started to cry. To go around insulting Muslims is an insult to me. Is an insult to the Muslims in the military who are fighting for this country. It is an insult for all the Muslims who are trying to make peace with the West for the actions of the terrorist.

Black people were labeled stupid not too long ago. They supposedly couldn't control their "anger". We all know this is BS, but when a violent crime was committed by a black man the white community would go around blaming every black man they saw. Imagine how they felt. Sultan feels the same way when you people go around blaming Muslims for something he has no part of.

Because I believe in Islamic principles does not make me a fanatical wacko. I would appreciate it if you would cease to label me. I have not done so despite your apparent lack of knowledge in the religion you claim to follow. I did not solely mention my disagreement with the war in Iraq or the Israel-Paletine conflict in my OP. Please read thouroughly next time.
 
Originally posted by: Mayax
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Mayax
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wrong. Sultan is misguided in making excuses for terrorist operations and justifying their action, but I do not see him approving of them. His comparisons between the Iraq War and 9/11 are wrong, but you can not say that the perspective needs to be ignored. Obviously a lot Muslims see the similiarity and if we are to win the war on terror we need to recognize that.

Again, I disagree with the man, he is obviously hurt by what he percieves to be racism towards Muslims and has some misguided ideas.

Please stop using the word racism to describe it. Muslims are not a race, period.

Muslims as a whole, have some very big problems running around amongst them. He would do well to realize that and stop making excuses for it. How is the world supposed to view them when they have so many fanatical zealots chosen as their leaders as their leaders support them?

It amazes me to no end that they would continue to keep and support Arafat. Iran keeps propping up yet another and harboring even more. Saudi Arabia's leaders have been funding and aiding them. Syria has been funding and aiding them as well. Egypt makes half-hearted attempts at control for no other reason than to stay on the US financial gravy train. Pakistan was aiding them as well until recently, it took American dollars to change their tune. Good grief, across the entire Middle East, it's nothing but aiding and abetting and very very little apprehension and more importantly, prevention.

Yet, all I ever see, is "America is the bad guy! America is the bad guy!"

All this is linked to Israel-Palestine. Not the west. By the way only the United States labels those organizations as terrorist. No other countries see it that way.

Egypt's half-hearted attempts? Egypt doesn't even allow the Islamic party to gain power. It has nothing to do with the west. They don't want them to have power.
Saudi government supporting terrorism? There is no proof.
Pakistan supported the Taliban. The Taliban are not terrorist. Al Qaeda was.

That's some serious revisionism there.

They don't have power in Egypt but the powers that be don't put a stop to the weapons trafficking and the radicalism either. What was that deal about the Egyptian hotel that was bombed? The explosives were sold by a guy who claimed he was promised they were only going to be used in Israel.

The Saudi government did next to nothing the past fifty years while their schools were preaching that America was the great satan and Israel was her whore. Please.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda were inseperable. Al Qaeda made up a large portion of the Taliban's actual military. Tell me some more, this is getting amusing.

Ridiculous. The US of A supports the Saudi government to this very next day. Or maybe you are not aware of this :roll:

Al-Qaeda and Taliban are DIFFERENT entities. For you not to be aware of this again shows your ignorace. The US of A boosed up the Taliban to fight against the Soviets. There was no Al-Qaeda then.

Talk about revisionism :roll:
 
Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
There is no real "correct" answer to this question you are asking, "Who's the terrorist now?" Actually there are multiple answers, but it all depends on:

1. Where you live
2. What you believe in (religion, morals etc.)
3. Race/Gender/etc.

This link has a good summary in it about peoples view on the definition of a terrorist.
http://www.therationalradical....rrorist-definition.htm

"Currently, the term "terrorist" is applied to the use of force most often on the basis of whether the speaker agrees with the goal of the violence. Hence the expression 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.'"

Really when you think about it, everyone IS a terrorist. To someone in this world, their definition of what a terrorist is, would directly classify YOU. To Osama Bin Laden, America and it's citizens are terrorist. To America Al Queda, Sadam, Bin Laden etc. are terrorist. To some of the African nations, America is a terrorist country.

Just like the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". There is no point in arguing this, essentially everyone in this world is a terrorist. According to someone opinion/thoughts or definition of a terrorist, you and I are one.

Could you imagine sitting in your house one day and all of a sudden, a shower of cruise missles starts tearing the $h)t out of your town. One of the missles hits close to your house destorying half of it and leaving your father, one of your brothers and your little sister trapped, dead, under the rubble. Your mother is critically injured and your arm is all but useless. You have to dig out the mutilated bodies of your loved ones, piece by piece while your mother is in the hospital dying. How would you feel about the people that did that to your town? They say that there was ONE or TWO SUSPECTED terrorist leaders in the VICINITY of your town and that was the reason why they sent 45 cruise missles into your your city. (A little overkill no?) What gives another country the right to send their naval boats to the coast of, let's say, CA and start bombing the $h)t out of Los Angeles? I would hate the country that did that...but wait...America does that and is doing that to Afghanistan and Iraq...in the "name of freedom and democracy". No wonder why countries hate what we stand for and our moto of "freedom", lol. Who the hell is America, as a county in a WORLD filled with countries, to think they have the God given right to bomb and kill 250 innocent civilians to kill maybe 4 or 5 terrorist and then call the innocent civilians "casulties of war" or "terrorist" when they were not.

I fully support my country, the USA and our military forces, but you have to look at it from the other person's perspective. That's their life they have to live. No one hear can imagine the $h)t these people go through on a DAILY basis...heh...and you got it tough. Until you have to hold the body of your son or mother in your hands w/the torso in one arm and the legs in another, don't complain about who's the real terrorist, because you support either the US army/naval force/etc and their doings (bombings/invasions/etc) or you support Al Queda/Bin Laden/etc and either way you ARE a terrorist. And the $h)t I metioned above is real life, not the movies, that kind of stuff really does happen. Educate yourself and don't have a biased opinion.

what he said ^^^ good post. I agree.
 
This child killer sure posts a lot, a child killer and a spammer? Not to mention murders of Homosexuals and Atheists.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the extremist wahabi Sultan.

Fvcked up beyond all belief.
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer
This child killer sure posts a lot, a child killer and a spammer? Not to mention murders of Homosexuals and Atheists.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the extremist wahabi Sultan.

Fvcked up beyond all belief.

if you have something to refute, then do so, otherwise stop posting flame baits. I have already answered your wild accusations. If you and others like you choose to ignore it, I dont care.

You're nothing more than an old pathetic man who wishes to offer nothing intelligent with posts like these. Cease and desist.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Klixxer
This child killer sure posts a lot, a child killer and a spammer? Not to mention murders of Homosexuals and Atheists.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the extremist wahabi Sultan.

Fvcked up beyond all belief.

if you have something to refute, then do so, otherwise stop posting flame baits. I have already answered your wild accusations. If you and others like you choose to ignore it, I dont care.

You're nothing more than an old pathetic man who wishes to offer nothing intelligent with posts like these. Cease and desist.

I said all i needed to say in my last post, you are a child killer and want to kill homosexuals and atheists.

I thought i made myself perfectly clear, i just want others to know what kind of a fvcked up individual they are dealing with.
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Klixxer
This child killer sure posts a lot, a child killer and a spammer? Not to mention murders of Homosexuals and Atheists.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the extremist wahabi Sultan.

Fvcked up beyond all belief.

if you have something to refute, then do so, otherwise stop posting flame baits. I have already answered your wild accusations. If you and others like you choose to ignore it, I dont care.

You're nothing more than an old pathetic man who wishes to offer nothing intelligent with posts like these. Cease and desist.

I said all i needed to say in my last post, you are a child killer and want to kill homosexuals and atheists.

I thought i made myself perfectly clear, i just want others to know what kind of a fvcked up individual they are dealing with.

did you not label Hatim as the homosexual killer and aethiest killer? 🙂 lay off the drugs old man.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Klixxer
This child killer sure posts a lot, a child killer and a spammer? Not to mention murders of Homosexuals and Atheists.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet the extremist wahabi Sultan.

Fvcked up beyond all belief.

if you have something to refute, then do so, otherwise stop posting flame baits. I have already answered your wild accusations. If you and others like you choose to ignore it, I dont care.

You're nothing more than an old pathetic man who wishes to offer nothing intelligent with posts like these. Cease and desist.

I said all i needed to say in my last post, you are a child killer and want to kill homosexuals and atheists.

I thought i made myself perfectly clear, i just want others to know what kind of a fvcked up individual they are dealing with.

did you not label Hatim as the homosexual killer and aethiest killer? 🙂 lay off the drugs old man.

No i did not, he did that himself.

Of course, a simple search is above your highness muslim child killer?
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?



I am a leftover from one of their previous enemies myself. I am Sioux/Blackfoot, they demonized us and made heroes out of the men who killed, raped, and pilliaged our men, women, children, and villiages. We too had to use unconventional means to try and protect ourselves and our land. We live watching and waiting for their system to collapse under it's own wieght. Trust me, patience, and vigilance, and tolerance is the only real way to defeat them. It costs many lives, but anything else is suicide.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?

To begin with, the term terrorist is a very misplaced term. What terrorist do is to enrage civilization, not terrorize it. Maybe if they would stop, the rest of the world would stop. After they kill non-military civilians, some women, childres and cripples, they run and hide beneath the skirts of theri women and children hoping we won't be as uncivilized as they are. We are getting better at matching them!

 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh? 😉
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Hey,

I think that most of us here realize that not all Muslims are insane people. We're not stupid. As with any group, you've got your majority "mundane" population who basically believes but is otherwise busy trying to get through day to day life, and you've got your Uber-obsessed wackos who go around murdering anyone who disagrees with them.

A thousand years ago the Muslims were the Civilized group while the Christians went around murdering everyone who looked non-Christian. Crusades, anyone? Hell, even today, even in *America*, where we claim to value liberty above all else, we still get the occasional Christian nut ball who blows some abortion doctor's head off or leads his followers to mass suicide so they can ride the Jesus comet. We KNOW all that.

What we're scared of, and RIGHTLY so, are the militant extremists who want to kill us. People like bin Laden, people like the men who sacrificed themselves to fly planes into peaceful buildings and murder innocent people, they ARE dangerous. They're a danger to every living thing, INCLUDING your average, everyday Muslim. If ANYTHING is going to get your faith persecuted and slaughtered, it's going to be the extremists. And not to be harsh, not to judge YOU, because you seem a decent fellow, but if it takes leveling the whole middle-east in order to stop these people from killing the rest of the civilized world--so be it.

It sucks, and I empathize, but there IS a valid concern here that needs to be addressed.

Jason

While most of your post is valid, bin Laden is but one individual and by US estimates, (pardon me for not relying on them much based on Iraq's evidence), Al-Qaeda has a total of 15000 members. We just killed about that many INNOCENT civilians in Iraq.

So why do you suggest levelling of the Middle East? The entire city of Dearborn, Michigan hosts thousands of Middle Easterners. Do you suggest we bomb Dearborn as well?

Hey, I'm scared of extremists too, such as Mr. Bush who is guided by God to make decisions such as attacking Iraq... :roll: In fact, now many Middle Easterners will be afraid of the extremist America, and they'll turn towards extremism themselves.

Tell me, could they turn more extreme. They do all they can to kill every day, if they could do more, they would.

 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Hey,

I think that most of us here realize that not all Muslims are insane people. We're not stupid. As with any group, you've got your majority "mundane" population who basically believes but is otherwise busy trying to get through day to day life, and you've got your Uber-obsessed wackos who go around murdering anyone who disagrees with them.

A thousand years ago the Muslims were the Civilized group while the Christians went around murdering everyone who looked non-Christian. Crusades, anyone? Hell, even today, even in *America*, where we claim to value liberty above all else, we still get the occasional Christian nut ball who blows some abortion doctor's head off or leads his followers to mass suicide so they can ride the Jesus comet. We KNOW all that.

What we're scared of, and RIGHTLY so, are the militant extremists who want to kill us. People like bin Laden, people like the men who sacrificed themselves to fly planes into peaceful buildings and murder innocent people, they ARE dangerous. They're a danger to every living thing, INCLUDING your average, everyday Muslim. If ANYTHING is going to get your faith persecuted and slaughtered, it's going to be the extremists. And not to be harsh, not to judge YOU, because you seem a decent fellow, but if it takes leveling the whole middle-east in order to stop these people from killing the rest of the civilized world--so be it.

It sucks, and I empathize, but there IS a valid concern here that needs to be addressed.

Jason

While most of your post is valid, bin Laden is but one individual and by US estimates, (pardon me for not relying on them much based on Iraq's evidence), Al-Qaeda has a total of 15000 members. We just killed about that many INNOCENT civilians in Iraq.

So why do you suggest levelling of the Middle East? The entire city of Dearborn, Michigan hosts thousands of Middle Easterners. Do you suggest we bomb Dearborn as well?

Hey, I'm scared of extremists too, such as Mr. Bush who is guided by God to make decisions such as attacking Iraq... :roll: In fact, now many Middle Easterners will be afraid of the extremist America, and they'll turn towards extremism themselves.

Tell me, could they turn more extreme. They do all they can to kill every day, if they could do more, they would.

just like Mr. Bush then?
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: TBone77
Originally posted by: alchemize
So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.


What he said ^^^

So I guess any Christian who believes in all of Leviticus or Exodus is a terrorist too?

What he said ^^^

They can believe what they want to, When they act out the belief, it becomes a problem.

 
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