Who's the terrorist now?

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

Seems like you're comparing a war with aggressors to an unjust war. I am sure your so-called "civilized" societies had nothing to with the killing of over a million Jews. :roll: Keep grasping at straws strawman.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: alchemize

So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.

What he said ^^^

So I guess any Christian who believes in all of Leviticus or Exodus is a terrorist too?

What he said ^^^

They can believe what they want to, When they act out the belief, it becomes a problem.

So you're trying to say those who follow their religious beliefs cause problems? Way to go buddy.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?

To begin with, the term terrorist is a very misplaced term. What terrorist do is to enrage civilization, not terrorize it. Maybe if they would stop, the rest of the world would stop. After they kill non-military civilians, some women, childres and cripples, they run and hide beneath the skirts of theri women and children hoping we won't be as uncivilized as they are. We are getting better at matching them!

Here comes a wholly new version of the definition of terrorism By this definition, 9/11 was not a terrorist attack. Ridiculous.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Hey,

I think that most of us here realize that not all Muslims are insane people. We're not stupid. As with any group, you've got your majority "mundane" population who basically believes but is otherwise busy trying to get through day to day life, and you've got your Uber-obsessed wackos who go around murdering anyone who disagrees with them.

A thousand years ago the Muslims were the Civilized group while the Christians went around murdering everyone who looked non-Christian. Crusades, anyone? Hell, even today, even in *America*, where we claim to value liberty above all else, we still get the occasional Christian nut ball who blows some abortion doctor's head off or leads his followers to mass suicide so they can ride the Jesus comet. We KNOW all that.

What we're scared of, and RIGHTLY so, are the militant extremists who want to kill us. People like bin Laden, people like the men who sacrificed themselves to fly planes into peaceful buildings and murder innocent people, they ARE dangerous. They're a danger to every living thing, INCLUDING your average, everyday Muslim. If ANYTHING is going to get your faith persecuted and slaughtered, it's going to be the extremists. And not to be harsh, not to judge YOU, because you seem a decent fellow, but if it takes leveling the whole middle-east in order to stop these people from killing the rest of the civilized world--so be it.

It sucks, and I empathize, but there IS a valid concern here that needs to be addressed.

Jason

While most of your post is valid, bin Laden is but one individual and by US estimates, (pardon me for not relying on them much based on Iraq's evidence), Al-Qaeda has a total of 15000 members. We just killed about that many INNOCENT civilians in Iraq.

So why do you suggest levelling of the Middle East? The entire city of Dearborn, Michigan hosts thousands of Middle Easterners. Do you suggest we bomb Dearborn as well?

Hey, I'm scared of extremists too, such as Mr. Bush who is guided by God to make decisions such as attacking Iraq... :roll: In fact, now many Middle Easterners will be afraid of the extremist America, and they'll turn towards extremism themselves.

Tell me, could they turn more extreme. They do all they can to kill every day, if they could do more, they would.

just like Mr. Bush then?

You don't even know how much terror our war machine can display and we both must hope that you never have to find out. Americans are a people just a hundred years from killing most of a continent to settle it. The veneer of civilization is pretty thin. It would be a good thing to leave intact. Bush has been more than civilized in his response to Muslim extremist. Many Americans criticize him for being too tolerant. My opinion is that terrorists didn?t know when they had it made and just should have left us alone. I think many more will die before they understand this paragraph.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: alchemize

So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.

What he said ^^^

So I guess any Christian who believes in all of Leviticus or Exodus is a terrorist too?

What he said ^^^

They can believe what they want to, When they act out the belief, it becomes a problem.

So you're trying to say those who follow their religious beliefs cause problems? Way to go buddy.

They can follow what they want to. When they start hurting other people or killing family or neighbors, it goes against civilization and must be stopped.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?

To begin with, the term terrorist is a very misplaced term. What terrorist do is to enrage civilization, not terrorize it. Maybe if they would stop, the rest of the world would stop. After they kill non-military civilians, some women, childres and cripples, they run and hide beneath the skirts of theri women and children hoping we won't be as uncivilized as they are. We are getting better at matching them!

Here comes a wholly new version of the definition of terrorism By this definition, 9/11 was not a terrorist attack. Ridiculous.

You are catching on. It was not terrorism, it was an act that enraged a society. It didn't terrorize it!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

Seems like you're comparing a war with aggressors to an unjust war. I am sure your so-called "civilized" societies had nothing to with the killing of over a million Jews. :roll: Keep grasping at straws strawman.

The Nazi's did and they suffered for it. Once the war was over, they were occupied and they were civilized enough to recognize a good thing and to benefit from it.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

On the contrary Americans like you need to stay off the Middle East

 

[Klixxer]

Wonderful spamming guys, you really got the real point lost, nice job buring it..

Idiots

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

Seems like you're comparing a war with aggressors to an unjust war. I am sure your so-called "civilized" societies had nothing to with the killing of over a million Jews. :roll: Keep grasping at straws strawman.

The Nazi's did and they suffered for it. Once the war was over, they were occupied and they were civilized enough to recognize a good thing and to benefit from it.

I see, so they were uncivilized enough to kill a million Jews but civilized enough to be American poodle. You're hilarious

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

On the contrary Americans like you need to stay off the Middle East

Never been there, never want to go there. The place sucks from everything I have seen. The Jews created an oasis from the desert, the Palestinians created a slum from the same desert.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?

To begin with, the term terrorist is a very misplaced term. What terrorist do is to enrage civilization, not terrorize it. Maybe if they would stop, the rest of the world would stop. After they kill non-military civilians, some women, childres and cripples, they run and hide beneath the skirts of theri women and children hoping we won't be as uncivilized as they are. We are getting better at matching them!

Here comes a wholly new version of the definition of terrorism By this definition, 9/11 was not a terrorist attack. Ridiculous.

You are catching on. It was not terrorism, it was an act that enraged a society. It didn't terrorize it!

This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read.

Everyone should now look at Condor's statement... 9/11 was NOT a terrorist attack, that should absolve Bin Laden and his henchmen from the label terrorist. :roll:

I think an intelligent argument with you is out of the question. You're one of the more stupider people i've had the displeasure of arguing with on this forum.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

Seems like you're comparing a war with aggressors to an unjust war. I am sure your so-called "civilized" societies had nothing to with the killing of over a million Jews. :roll: Keep grasping at straws strawman.

The Nazi's did and they suffered for it. Once the war was over, they were occupied and they were civilized enough to recognize a good thing and to benefit from it.

I see, so they were uncivilized enough to kill a million Jews but civilized enough to be American poodle. You're hilarious

I hardly think todays modern, civilized Germany would consider themselves an American poodle. Nice try though!

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

On the contrary Americans like you need to stay off the Middle East

Never been there, never want to go there. The place sucks from everything I have seen. The Jews created an oasis from the desert, the Palestinians created a slum from the same desert.

of course the 150000 soldier in Iraq are all imaginary. I know you're a big Jew lover, thank you for emphasizing that fact. Without my tax dollars, Israel would be the black hole it started out as. $93 billion goes a far way in creating an "oasis"

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Wonderful spamming guys, you really got the real point lost, nice job buring it..

Idiots

He was just here to pick an argument. I see him posting the same Muslim BS all the time. He never accepts any of the volumes of debate he gets and no amount of reason posted by others seems to penetrate.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan
Ok, all you mental retards, stop with Islam/Muslim bashing. To me - a Muslim immigrant, it just seems that Americans need a common enemy every few years. Prior to your Islamophobia, all of you were perpetually in fear of the Red Army/Communism. Do you all not have better things to do that stir up hatred based on wild theories and premises that even I as a Muslim have never, ever heard?

You can quote all sorts of historical precedences where nations of Muslim majority have acted out in (by your perception) uncivilized manner, or supported acts of terrorism. No country, race, religion is free from its bad elements. The United States ITSELF is committing an act of terror in Iraq. So the difference is we use million dollar weapons, while the opposite side uses human bombs. I'd say the opposite side has move conviction and valor than our forces because they are fighting to free the land of an occupier.

For those who pull out the Palestine/Israel conflict, it is almost laughable how you all blame one side while the other is portrayed as the saint. For those who dont know history, Israel has OCCUPIED Palestine land. The Palestinians have been fighting to regain their occupied land. If a Palestinian straps on a bomb on his body and blows himself up in a cafe, there's an IDF "soldier" who shoots a 13 year old unarmed girl, and then proceeds to "confirm" the kill. Both sides have been at fault, but no, if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And for those cretins who keep pointing to 9/11, that act was committed by NINETEEN people. There are over 7 million Muslims in the US of A. Have they rammed planes into buildings since they've moved to this country? Or committed an act of violence or terror? Oh, but they're "good" Muslims who are moderate and preach human kindness and blah blah blah. The "bad" Muslims preach hatred and violence. This may come as a shocker to you, but bad people preach violence and hatred, not members of a certain race or religion.

Lastly, regarding those who keep pointing most terrorists are Muslims, but the last time I check the world history, Muslims were more terrorised than any other people of any other religion. Lets start counting the regions where Muslims have suffered tremendously:
* Afghanistan - Soviet occupation for years, over a MILLION killed, subsequent sanctions leading to complete degeneration of infrastructure, widespread poverty, poorest nation in the world. Afghans dead
* Chechnya - Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead
* Bosnia - There's another thread with information about 7,000 Muslims were massacred at Srebrenica. thread Many more were killed. There's videos about Serbian soldier playing football (soccer) with a child's head they just cut off, in front of his mother.
* Iraq - The clearest example of American terror, where we spin the events to portray Iraqi people as terrorists, people like Moqtada Al Sadr. 10000+ civilians killed by estimates. If this is not terror, I dont know how YOU all define it. I never even heard of Zarqawi before this invasion. And hey, now he's the terrorist.
* Palestine - people downtrodden by an occupied force for over 50 years. Without absolving them of the blame, they have received more than enough of punishment from the Israeli government in the past 50+ years. In the last 4 years alone, over 3000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel/IDF. I dont think all 3000 were suicide bombers.
* Kashmir - According to former State Minister of Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah?s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings "since the beginning of the uprising." People have still never been given the right to exercise their freedom of choice, and approximately 600000 Indian soldiers are stationed in Kashmir.

So in the past 20 years alone, over a million Muslims have been killed. So who is the terrorist now?

To begin with, the term terrorist is a very misplaced term. What terrorist do is to enrage civilization, not terrorize it. Maybe if they would stop, the rest of the world would stop. After they kill non-military civilians, some women, childres and cripples, they run and hide beneath the skirts of theri women and children hoping we won't be as uncivilized as they are. We are getting better at matching them!

Here comes a wholly new version of the definition of terrorism By this definition, 9/11 was not a terrorist attack. Ridiculous.

You are catching on. It was not terrorism, it was an act that enraged a society. It didn't terrorize it!

This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read.

Everyone should now look at Condor's statement... 9/11 was NOT a terrorist attack, that should absolve Bin Laden and his henchmen from the label terrorist. :roll:

I think an intelligent argument with you is out of the question. You're one of the more stupider people i've had the displeasure of arguing with on this forum.

I take pride in your description of me. You really love to think the term terrorist is real, don't you? It is a badly thought out term and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. War monger would be more accurate, but lacks something. The actions simply create rage, not terror. Terrorist should take note of that. Civilized people can't be terrorized into obedience because the response is always going to be fight, not flight.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

On the contrary Americans like you need to stay off the Middle East

Never been there, never want to go there. The place sucks from everything I have seen. The Jews created an oasis from the desert, the Palestinians created a slum from the same desert.

of course the 150000 soldier in Iraq are all imaginary. I know you're a big Jew lover, thank you for emphasizing that fact. Without my tax dollars, Israel would be the black hole it started out as. $93 billion goes a far way in creating an "oasis"

Actually, I don't care one way or the other about Jews. You must remember that the Jews had never won a war until Palestinians attacked them. They didn't tremble with terror either. I do admire them for that!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Small little republic, Russian forces have FLATTENED Grozny, troops routinely rape women, torture is common, read www.bbcnews.com Chechnyans dead

I guess we had good reason to fear the Russians, eh?
Anyway, lighten up. Not all Americans view all Muslims as the bad guy.

When the Muslims begin policing themselves and we flatly don't have to be involved, that will be a solution to their problems. So far, if there are good Muslims, they don't seem to do much about the bad ones. As for Palestine, weren't they punished by giving their land to the Jews after WWII because they sided with the Nazi's?

Clinton tried to give Arrafat Israel and he even wanted more. You won't deal, you only want to kill, life gets tough.

I dont know what point you are trying to make here. We invade Iraq based on false premises or outright lies, and you blame Muslims for not policing themselves better? The rest of the world kills over a million Muslims and still its the Muslims fault for not "policing" themselves better?

You are mistaken about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Read up on the Balfour declaration and you'll get a better picture.

As for Arafat, he is no better than Sharon. To term him as a bad person while absolving Sharon of all his crimes is hypocritical. Hey, look, here's a Muslim recognizing the bad elements of the people. Lets see others do that as well.

I have no interest in the politics of the middle east and that is the flat truth. It is your region, go back and fix it. Don't bring an ancient war to my door step! That is what I mean, you are Muslim, go and fix your own problems and get us out of it.

On the contrary Americans like you need to stay off the Middle East

Never been there, never want to go there. The place sucks from everything I have seen. The Jews created an oasis from the desert, the Palestinians created a slum from the same desert.

of course the 150000 soldier in Iraq are all imaginary. I know you're a big Jew lover, thank you for emphasizing that fact. Without my tax dollars, Israel would be the black hole it started out as. $93 billion goes a far way in creating an "oasis"

Actually, I don't care one way or the other about Jews. You must remember that the Jews had never won a war until Palestinians attacked them. They didn't tremble with terror either. I do admire them for that!

About the 93 billion. The oil rich Muslims could have helped them out a little and if they had spent the money they have spent on war in trying to build a better life for themselves, I hardly think this exchange would be taking place.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Wonderful spamming guys, you really got the real point lost, nice job buring it..

Idiots

He was just here to pick an argument. I see him posting the same Muslim BS all the time. He never accepts any of the volumes of debate he gets and no amount of reason posted by others seems to penetrate.

Many on this forum accept my point of view.

Islam/Muslim bashers like you who are inherently Islamophobic or need a new common enemy every few years are the ones who lack reasoning. Your comments are illogical, you redefine terrorism, you are obviously a Jew lover, you completely ignore our military presence in Iraq, you term 1947 Germany as civilized after they killed over a million of Jews most horrifically, you term Austria as having done pretty well whereas it is no economic powerhouse by any measure, you are completely ignorant of the historical facts of Israel's creation, you ignore American military and economic aid to the tune of almost a hundred billion to that state, etc, etc, etc.

Your anti Islam bias is evident. You have completely strayed off the topic. Your obvious ignorance can not be argued with.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Wonderful spamming guys, you really got the real point lost, nice job buring it..

Idiots

He was just here to pick an argument. I see him posting the same Muslim BS all the time. He never accepts any of the volumes of debate he gets and no amount of reason posted by others seems to penetrate.

Many on this forum accept my point of view.

Islam/Muslim bashers like you who are inherently Islamophobic or need a new common enemy every few years are the ones who lack reasoning. Your comments are illogical, you redefine terrorism, you are obviously a Jew lover, you completely ignore our military presence in Iraq, you term 1947 Germany as civilized after they killed over a million of Jews most horrifically, you term Austria as having done pretty well whereas it is no economic powerhouse by any measure, you are completely ignorant of the historical facts of Israel's creation, you ignore American military and economic aid to the tune of almost a hundred billion to that state, etc, etc, etc.

Your anti Islam bias is evident. You have completely strayed off the topic. Your obvious ignorance can not be argued with.

I'm not bashing Muslims in general, just the jerks who proudly think of themselves as terrorist. Actually, I could have cared less about either group, Jews or Muslims, but they just keep sweeping us into this uncivilized mess of the middle east. If Americans hadn't taught them how to pump and refine oil, they would still be in the 1600's, fighting from the backs of camels! The European part of the discussion was about Germany and how well it has done. Iraq could and may do as well if the Muslim extremest will quit trying to pull it apart. Austria was mentioned as one nation that was under occupation after WWII in a group. I do think if you would read my post, you may see that I used the term "modern Germany". Of all of the threads I have seen you in, I can't think of anyone who has agreed with you.

 

[Robor]

Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Robor
Why do you feel you have to constantly defend Muslim/Islam? Every post involving the subject you make excuses for your side and point fingers at others. Do you have a guilty conscience?

You are a troll.

Lock and Ban

hahaha, thats like saying "why do some liberals (like Conjur) feel that they have to constantly say something anti-Bush administration while neocons (like CSG) feel that they have to constantly say something pro-Bush administration.

Why do you have nothing to say about with what I said? Or contribute anything intelligent to this thread? Do you have something against Islam/Muslims as well?

You are a troll.

Ban.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

Seems like Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. did really well under American occupation for 15 to 20 years. They were civilized societies to begin with and accustomed to govern and being governed. The middl east has never reached the level of civilization that will allow that and probably never will.

This is funny being as your culture started in the middle east.