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ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: shurato
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Clinton's approval went UP during the Moncia thing. The President gets caught with an intern half his age, lies about under oath, then lies about it to the American people and when all this comes out his rating goes up.

That's because his liberal media were successful in convincing the sheep that it was "just sex" and burying the real crimes. And, sadly, many of these sheep are still singing the same tune.

Ok Pal, us liberals will give that one to you if you admit your commander in chief lied to us about Iraq and lead us to a war where there have been one too many casualties. I'll take lying over a BJ and trying to cover it up over basically what amounts to mass murder by incompetance by your president... Cya Sheep.
The problem is that Bush did NOT lie. So the rest of your post is just BS.

When you find proof that Bush knowingly lied about WMD and such let us know.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Aisengard
I seem to remember Pelosi promising certain things if the Democrats take the Majority...like a raise in minimum wage, some sort of ACTUAL plan for Iraq, revamped medicare bill...all in 100 hours.

It's just that this stuff doesn't get reported, because the Republican scandals are taking center stage. Which, really, is more helpful than anything the Democrats could come up with. But really, the tired nation of 40 years of Democratic control of the House and Senate were what really catapulted the Republican victory. It's only taken 10 years for the Republicans to be in a WORSE place than the Democrats were 12 years ago.

Seriously. That's pretty f'ing big testament to the effectiveness of that mythical "Contract to America". I doubt Americans would fall for that shtick again, which is why, probably, no one is really saying anything and just letting the corrupt, awful, awful, awful Republican party finally implode by itself.
It is not reported because they are not using it the way the R's did in 1994. The Contract with America became the focus of our whole election strategy in 1994. The Dems have not followed our lead and nationalized the election. Other than "anyone but Bush" the Democrats have no real national strategy.

PLUS: As I have asked many times can anyone give me a positive reason to vote Democratic? So far the only reasons people seem to give is the Dems are not Bush. But people won't rally around that type of effort.
 

mc00

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: shurato
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Clinton's approval went UP during the Moncia thing. The President gets caught with an intern half his age, lies about under oath, then lies about it to the American people and when all this comes out his rating goes up.

That's because his liberal media were successful in convincing the sheep that it was "just sex" and burying the real crimes. And, sadly, many of these sheep are still singing the same tune.

Ok Pal, us liberals will give that one to you if you admit your commander in chief lied to us about Iraq and lead us to a war where there have been one too many casualties. I'll take lying over a BJ and trying to cover it up over basically what amounts to mass murder by incompetance by your president... Cya Sheep.
The problem is that Bush did NOT lie. So the rest of your post is just BS.

When you find proof that Bush knowingly lied about WMD and such let us know.

Right... so you asking us for PROOF your beloved bush did lie. than proof us the he is an honest folk... I don't want other people words, and bias news article... prove me IRAQ had WMD and prove the al Qaeda had connection with IRAQ with Facts? so we could agree on and make sense not some tweaking with biggest ass words so you could try look smart. And that IRAQ was planning to use WMD against U.S.A. All I remember bush/Mr. colin/rumsfeld on TV claiming IRAQ was a threat to U.S and IRAQ has WMD and while inspection didn't find jack sh!t... if so where the fck is the WMD they claim they had? Just disappear in thin air right? Or maybe saddam dump into is shinny gold toilet. I mean come on if there was WMD should have been hammer over and over in the media. Maybe bush didn't lied straight to our face but sure hell tweak the living sh!t out of why we invade IRAQ... I wish a country would try invade us... oh no we have nuke ready to launch. Bah.
I notice a lot people in here try there best to show how did bush administration tweak there way into IRAQ but no I guess you want to hear it from the horse mouth.. yeah the be the day when politician admit they lied.
 

daveymark

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Just remember, if you vote Dem, you get Nancy Pelosi as the house leader - that's right, the same piece of trash that marched side by side with a card carrying member of NABMLA in california.

well, at least she has Mark Foley's vote.
 

BlancoNino

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Once again I'm going to vote for myself for every office via write-ins. Only I know how to run a country.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Once again I'm going to vote for myself for every office via write-ins. Only I know how to run a country.

And your first order of business will be to lower the age of consent to 14? :p
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Just remember, if you vote Dem, you get Nancy Pelosi as the house leader - that's right, the same piece of trash that marched side by side with a card carrying member of NABMLA in california.

well, at least she has Mark Foley's vote.

as opposed to having Dennis Hassert for a house leader, who's already proven that he's willing to look the other way in the face of pedophilia if it means protecting the republican party at the cost of protecting kids?

btw... the pat buchannan nancy pelosi / nambla charge is totally baseless unless you ignorantly believe that all homosexuals are pedophiles. I mean, I lived with a pedophile for 6 months in college (I didn't know it at the time). does that somehow make me some sicko?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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The Foley scandal has opened this race bigtime in favor of the Democrats. The Democrats will without question take control of the House. The Senate is the only real worry for them at this point.

 
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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
The Foley scandal has opened this race bigtime in favor of the Democrats. The Democrats will without question take control of the House. The Senate is the only real worry for them at this point.

I wouldn't crack the champangne yet. Not to say that you're wrong or that it wont happen, but the polls say otherwise. The national polls say that people are fed up with the Republicans. The approval ratings on congress as a whole are even lower. Hell, I'd answer negative to that too. But I saw on TV the ABC/Washington Post poll... When asked if they approved of their individual congressperson... 60% said yes.

Link... and buried waaaaaaayyyy down
Moreover, despite all the current discontent, 60 percent of Americans approve of the way their own representatives are handling their jobs, compared with a markedly lower 49 percent in October 1994.

 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Whos gonna vote GOP in four weeks?



Stupid people - really, really stupid people.
It must be that condecending, elitist attitude that keeps winning elections for you guys. :disgust:

The funniest part about the upcoming elections... The part that amuses me the most... if the Dems win it will have taken a total failure (implosion?) of the Republicans on every level. A failed policy in Iraq. North Korea with Nukes. Iran about to get nukes. Tapped phones. Torture in 'Gitmo. Renditions. Gay sex with interns. Squandering of whatever good will we had in the world. Ballooning national debt. Etc... Etc...

And if they can't win after all of that... If they don't have a message that drives people to vote for them AFTER ALL OF THAT... It speaks volumes about what a failed party the Ds really are. The mere fact that the congress is still in play is almost unfathomable to me. By all rights the Rs should get absolutely smashed in November. And the best the Ds are going to do (or even hope for) is barely take control.

And you call the Republicans stupid. Heh.

Well, look at russia, look how easily a population can be seduced by a criminal ex-kgb agent. Putin is severely popular in russia, sadly.
That country is in so much touble it's not even funny.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: extra
While I hate bush, and don't like either party, lets be fair here. We should blame bush for:

1. Our economy
2. Millions in prison because of an illegal drug war
3. Total fiasco in Iraq/Afghanistan
4. Terrible world image of the U.S. (this one is huge)
1. The stock market hit a record high 4 days in a row. That is after the housing slow down, after nearly $3 a gallon gas, after Katrina caused half of one of major cities to relocate and RIGHT after NK sets off a Nuke!!!

How can you say the economy sucks? Growth is great, unemployment is near what they call "full employment" every thing looks really good. If this was a Democrat economy we would be hearing about how it?s the greatest economy in 20 years.

BTW: all the negatives you are going to throw up have been going on for long since Bush took over. (rich getting richer etc etc)

2. Bush is doing the same thing every President has done on drugs, why is this even in your list?

4. Our "world" image has been the same for a long time. A lot of people don't like us and bitch about us behind our backs, but the second there is trouble they come running for our help. Europe has an inferiority complex and wants to be treated like an equal on the world stage, while spending no where near what we spend in order to keep our position of world power, and China/ Russia are just following the same policies they've had for 20+ years.

I like how you ignore 3.

Don't know about the drugs.

I do know you have a freakin' huge deficit.

4. Your image is sooo much worse than before W Bush entered office. There can be no doubt what-so-ever about that. Even you should know that.
 
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Whos gonna vote GOP in four weeks?



Stupid people - really, really stupid people.
It must be that condecending, elitist attitude that keeps winning elections for you guys. :disgust:

The funniest part about the upcoming elections... The part that amuses me the most... if the Dems win it will have taken a total failure (implosion?) of the Republicans on every level. A failed policy in Iraq. North Korea with Nukes. Iran about to get nukes. Tapped phones. Torture in 'Gitmo. Renditions. Gay sex with interns. Squandering of whatever good will we had in the world. Ballooning national debt. Etc... Etc...

And if they can't win after all of that... If they don't have a message that drives people to vote for them AFTER ALL OF THAT... It speaks volumes about what a failed party the Ds really are. The mere fact that the congress is still in play is almost unfathomable to me. By all rights the Rs should get absolutely smashed in November. And the best the Ds are going to do (or even hope for) is barely take control.

And you call the Republicans stupid. Heh.

Well, look at russia, look how easily a population can be seduced by a criminal ex-kgb agent. Putin is severely popular in russia, sadly.
That country is in so much touble it's not even funny.

This has nothing to do with Russia. Journalists aren't being murdered here for being critical of the current leadership. And it's not a question of being seduced by the element currently in power. It's a direct reflection of the Dems total lack of a pro-active alternative to the Reps. "We're not them" is not a rallying cry.

But you're right in your second comment. Our leadership sucks. On both sides. The Rs are headed in the wrong direction and the Ds have NO direction. In the end the public will probably fall back to their stereotypical views of both parties and most will vote R in the fear that the Ds will raise their taxes.

Douche... Turd Sandwich...
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
Both parties are extremely poor when it comes to foreign affairs...

That is ridiculous. Clinton was superb on foerign affairs. How soon people forget the countless times Clinton almost single-handedly dragged the Palestinians and Israelis back to the table for peace talks. He was able to do that through the sheer force of his magnetic personality and the fact he took the time to establish personal relationships with Arafat and the Israeli leaders. And then he left office, Buish took over, and completely dropped the ball. Things have been going downhill between the Palestinians and Israelis ever since. The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats/ liberals think foreign affairs acutally matters because we live in a community of nations. Whereas for Republicans it is an afterthought, and only matters in so far as you occasionally need to invade countries or topple democratically elected governments in order to secure USA interests.
 
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Both parties are extremely poor when it comes to foreign affairs...

That is ridiculous. Clinton was superb on foerign affairs. How soon people forget the countless times Clinton almost single-handedly dragged the Palestinians and Israelis back to the table for peace talks. He was able to do that through the sheer force of his magnetic personality and the fact he took the time to establish personal relationships with Arafat and the Israeli leaders. And then he left office, Buish took over, and completely dropped the ball. Things have been going downhill between the Palestinians and Israelis ever since. The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats/ liberals think foreign affairs acutally matters because we live in a community of nations. Whereas for Republicans it is an afterthought, and only matters in so far as you occasionally need to invade countries or topple democratically elected governments in order to secure USA interests.
Clinton got them to the table... doesn't change the fact that absolutely nothing was accomplished. But hey... it's the thought that counts right? And as far as those relations going down hill... Down hill from where? When have Isreali/Palestinian relations ever been positive?

You're not seriously implying that Saddam was democratically elected are you? :confused:
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Both parties are extremely poor when it comes to foreign affairs...

That is ridiculous. Clinton was superb on foreign affairs. How soon people forget the countless times Clinton almost single-handedly dragged the Palestinians and Israelis back to the table for peace talks. He was able to do that through the sheer force of his magnetic personality and the fact he took the time to establish personal relationships with Arafat and the Israeli leaders. And then he left office, Buish took over, and completely dropped the ball. Things have been going downhill between the Palestinians and Israelis ever since. The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats/ liberals think foreign affairs acutally matters because we live in a community of nations. Whereas for Republicans it is an afterthought, and only matters in so far as you occasionally need to invade countries or topple democratically elected governments in order to secure USA interests.
Clinton got them to the table... doesn't change the fact that absolutely nothing was accomplished. But hey... it's the thought that counts right? And as far as those relations going down hill... Down hill from where? When have Isreali/Palestinian relations ever been positive?

You're not seriously implying that Saddam was democratically elected are you? :confused:

When the parties at "at the table" they are not fighting with guns. It doesn't mattrer if they are having peace talks for 50 years, it's better than the on/ off again armed conflict we see now.

Saddam isn't the only foreign government the USA has toppled or tried to topple in the past few decades. CIA funded death squads and coup d'etat in latin america didn't exactly win your country many fans.
 

freegeeks

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interesting to see this discussion as an outsider

it seems to me that there is not much difference between democrats and republicans.
you guys need a strong 3th party and a bit more ideology injected into both the democrat and republican party. Now both parties seem to have members from the (far) right to the (far) left.

 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Whos gonna vote GOP in four weeks?



Stupid people - really, really stupid people.
It must be that condecending, elitist attitude that keeps winning elections for you guys. :disgust:

The funniest part about the upcoming elections... The part that amuses me the most... if the Dems win it will have taken a total failure (implosion?) of the Republicans on every level. A failed policy in Iraq. North Korea with Nukes. Iran about to get nukes. Tapped phones. Torture in 'Gitmo. Renditions. Gay sex with interns. Squandering of whatever good will we had in the world. Ballooning national debt. Etc... Etc...

And if they can't win after all of that... If they don't have a message that drives people to vote for them AFTER ALL OF THAT... It speaks volumes about what a failed party the Ds really are. The mere fact that the congress is still in play is almost unfathomable to me. By all rights the Rs should get absolutely smashed in November. And the best the Ds are going to do (or even hope for) is barely take control.

And you call the Republicans stupid. Heh.


I repeat: Stupid people - really, really stupid people.

People who are so mindlessly ignorant that they accept the corruption of todays GOP as the status quo.
Fools who are willing to roll over and play dead in the political arena because the lack of direction and folly of the leadership
has somehow convinced them that somehow the Democrats are to blame for all the failures of the current Administration.
Perople who are too stupid and partisan to question why the GOP can repeatedly lie and get away with it.
Mindless zombies who vote on hot-button issues, not because it has any benefit for the population and the country,
but polarizing, fear driven rumours and inuendos pushed by shills who are undermining the intent of the Constitution.
Religious fanatics who's agenda is to start the war that will hasten Armageddon and bring the reward of 'the Rapture' under Bush.

I have been a registered member of the Republican Party since 1964, and I will not condone the present crooks
and theives and their grip of the GOP to extend their flawed agenda on the country any further.
I will no longer vote the blind, monolithic party line, it doesn't move the country forward on any path of progress
& it only attempts to entrench the will of backwards looking fearmongers and racists that want to put the country
back to a time prior to the civil rights movements of the 60's, re-live the 40's and 50's.

Hiding your head in the sand, refusing to deal with a world that continues to evolve towards the future while
refusing to deal with any country that isn't paying millions to their parties coffers and blaming others for
the failure of their leadership isn't what a democratic society is all about.

Again - really, really stupid people will vote to keep the GOP in power, same as always.


 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: loki8481
as opposed to having Dennis Hassert for a house leader, who's already proven that he's willing to look the other way in the face of pedophilia if it means protecting the republican party at the cost of protecting kids?

Hmmm, hard for you liberals to concede that the kid was 18 at the time this happened because it negates your entire argument. Its understandable.
 

Aharami

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i dont care repub or democrat. all politicians are the same. I'm not voting anyone back into office - whether they be repub or democrats. We need to vote out all the incimbents
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
The Foley scandal has opened this race bigtime in favor of the Democrats. The Democrats will without question take control of the House. The Senate is the only real worry for them at this point.

I wouldn't crack the champangne yet. Not to say that you're wrong or that it wont happen, but the polls say otherwise. The national polls say that people are fed up with the Republicans. The approval ratings on congress as a whole are even lower. Hell, I'd answer negative to that too. But I saw on TV the ABC/Washington Post poll... When asked if they approved of their individual congressperson... 60% said yes.

Link... and buried waaaaaaayyyy down
Moreover, despite all the current discontent, 60 percent of Americans approve of the way their own representatives are handling their jobs, compared with a markedly lower 49 percent in October 1994.

are you some kind of moron? look at the individual poll races, the Democrats are ahead in nearly every single race. and their lead keeps widening as this Foley scandal keeps going.
 
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Whos gonna vote GOP in four weeks?



Stupid people - really, really stupid people.
It must be that condecending, elitist attitude that keeps winning elections for you guys. :disgust:

The funniest part about the upcoming elections... The part that amuses me the most... if the Dems win it will have taken a total failure (implosion?) of the Republicans on every level. A failed policy in Iraq. North Korea with Nukes. Iran about to get nukes. Tapped phones. Torture in 'Gitmo. Renditions. Gay sex with interns. Squandering of whatever good will we had in the world. Ballooning national debt. Etc... Etc...

And if they can't win after all of that... If they don't have a message that drives people to vote for them AFTER ALL OF THAT... It speaks volumes about what a failed party the Ds really are. The mere fact that the congress is still in play is almost unfathomable to me. By all rights the Rs should get absolutely smashed in November. And the best the Ds are going to do (or even hope for) is barely take control.

And you call the Republicans stupid. Heh.


I repeat: Stupid people - really, really stupid people.

People who are so mindlessly ignorant that they accept the corruption of todays GOP as the status quo.
Fools who are willing to roll over and play dead in the political arena because the lack of direction and folly of the leadership
has somehow convinced them that somehow the Democrats are to blame for all the failures of the current Administration.
Perople who are too stupid and partisan to question why the GOP can repeatedly lie and get away with it.
Mindless zombies who vote on hot-button issues, not because it has any benefit for the population and the country,
but polarizing, fear driven rumours and inuendos pushed by shills who are undermining the intent of the Constitution.
Religious fanatics who's agenda is to start the war that will hasten Armageddon and bring the reward of 'the Rapture' under Bush.

I have been a registered member of the Republican Party since 1964, and I will not condone the present crooks
and theives and their grip of the GOP to extend their flawed agenda on the country any further.
I will no longer vote the blind, monolithic party line, it doesn't move the country forward on any path of progress
& it only attempts to entrench the will of backwards looking fearmongers and racists that want to put the country
back to a time prior to the civil rights movements of the 60's, re-live the 40's and 50's.

Hiding your head in the sand, refusing to deal with a world that continues to evolve towards the future while
refusing to deal with any country that isn't paying millions to their parties coffers and blaming others for
the failure of their leadership isn't what a democratic society is all about.

Again - really, really stupid people will vote to keep the GOP in power, same as always.
I agree with basically everything in your first paragraph. People who vote the party line without consideration to the specific candidates are stupid. But that applies equally to both parties. As does single issue voting and voting on hot button topics. And obviously anyone who just accepts the corruption in the R party isn't thinking clearly.

Of course, blindly believing that because one party is bad the other party is automatically good isn't too bright either.

But what about the person who feels that their congressman or senator isn't a part of that corruption? What if that person feels that their congressman or senator has done a good job for their state or district? And what if that congressman or senator happens to be a Republican? Are you stupid to reelect that person? NO!

 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

But what about the person who feels that their congressman or senator isn't a part of that corruption? What if that person feels that their congressman or senator has done a good job for their state or district? And what if that congressman or senator happens to be a Republican? Are you stupid to reelect that person? NO!


A lot of that would be their personal perception of what is true and what they think is true.

Too many voters will cast their vote in the thinking that they don't want to vote for someone who might lose
even though that candidate is really the candidate that could do them the most good.
Hot-Button, single issue voters who are ignorant to facts are what got us here in the first place.
All those Evangelicals that rushed out last time to vote for Bush because Televangelist Hagee told them
that if they kept Dubya in power it would hasten the second coming of the Lord - and they could experience
the Rapture and reside in the Kingdom of Heaven, and because they were stupid enough to believe him.

Of all the countries in the world that have the chance to vote in a democratic election, historically the US voter is the least informed.

That's why attack adds work for the really, really stupid people - they don't know the facts.


 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
are you some kind of moron? look at the individual poll races, the Democrats are ahead in nearly every single race. and their lead keeps widening as this Foley scandal keeps going.

Is that you, Brian Ross? :laugh:

The media is attempting the same BS they did with the 2004 Election. Convince us that the race is over, Dems have won, and keep as many Republican voters home on Election Day as possible. But, just like then, it will fail miserably.