Whos getting Vishera/new FX lineup?

[BallaTheFeared]

what is with the settings for this benchmark?

Does this computer have no graphics card?

I mean who games at 1024x768 in 2012. Who games at anything lower than 1080p besides me?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/1


Does that look any better to you? Hopefully they do one for Vishera with 7970s or 680s soon.

 

[Durvelle27]

what is with the settings for this benchmark?

Does this computer have no graphics card?

I mean who games at 1024x768 in 2012. Who games at anything lower than 1080p besides me?

:thumbsdown: smh

at lower resolutions the cpu becomes more of a factor than the GPU

 

[ShadowVVL]

grrr, no fx mini itx at newegg.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

what is with the settings for this benchmark?

Does this computer have no graphics card?

I mean who games at 1024x768 in 2012. Who games at anything lower than 1080p besides me?

Is does have a GPU. Because an iGPU probably won't be able to those many frames

 

[lifeblood]

Wait so AM3+ gets another generation? Awesome looks like I'm skipping Piledriver and waiting!

I wouldn't hold out too much hope. AMD has not officially said anything. All this fuss is based on a single article where an AMD person supposedly suggested it. Until AMD officially comes out and says it I wouldn't trust it. Their previous roadmaps made it clear Vishera would be the last performance CPU with only APUs scheduled after that.

Also, SR won't be out for another year (approximately). Do you really expect the manufacturer of your motherboard to release a new SR compatible BIOS for it? I expected Asrock to release a BIOS for my motherboard for PD since the board is only a year old. But is it fair to expect them to support SR on this board in another year? It would be great but not realistic. Asrock makes money by selling new boards, not updating BIOS's for old boards.

Of course, nothing is written in stone and time will tell what happens.

 

[turn_pike]

Starcraft 2 is pretty much worst case scenario for AMD chips. It only uses 2 cores. At this point there's no denying that if you want to play SC2 seriously / competitively, go Intel.

 

[bononos]

PD is worth buying not because of a smallish but significant performance bump over BD but because AMD has slashed prices down to basement bargain clearance level prices. And its worth it if just for owning a museum piece of what is going to be AMD's last hi-power desktop cpu.

I wouldn't hold out too much hope. AMD has not officially said anything. All this fuss is based on a single article where an AMD person supposedly suggested it. Until AMD officially comes out and says it I wouldn't trust it. Their previous roadmaps made it clear Vishera would be the last performance CPU with only APUs scheduled after that.
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Yep, at this point AMD is on its last legs and from the other thread about AMD financials, giving out a coded message about giving the final chop to the cpu team.

 

[wenboy]

PD is worth buying not because of a smallish but significant performance bump over BD but because AMD has slashed prices down to basement bargain clearance level prices. And its worth it if just for owning a museum piece of what is going to be AMD's last hi-power desktop cpu.


Yep, at this point AMD is on its last legs and from the other thread about AMD financials, giving out a coded message about giving the final chop to the cpu team.

Well, there is simply no need for a performance CPU for consumer market, given AMD is still committed to do Opteron server lines. For comsumer market, at least for gaming, the most demanding part is the graphics. For general software it's going to be parallelism, if we software engineers suddenly decided not to be lazy-ass. At both fields, APUs would shine. I do expect AMD to release streamroller APUs, where high end GCN is fused with a "hopefully not so crappy CPU". An high end GCN hybrid-cross-fired with another high-end GPU would be a better buy vs Haswell + a high-end GPU, where you still have to pay for the still-not-usable midranged GPU ...

 

[bononos]

Well, there is simply no need for a performance CPU for consumer market, given AMD is still committed to do Opteron server lines. For comsumer market, at least for gaming, the most demanding part is the graphics. For general software it's going to be parallelism, if we software engineers suddenly decided not to be lazy-ass. At both fields, APUs would shine. I do expect AMD to release streamroller APUs, where high end GCN is fused with a "hopefully not so crappy CPU". An high end GCN hybrid-cross-fired with another high-end GPU would be a better buy vs Haswell + a high-end GPU, where you still have to pay for the still-not-usable midranged GPU ...

Your 'no need' excuse sounds odd since Intel is still around. AMD's failed BD literally pushed them into this situation of drastic chops and inventory clearing pricing.
If and its a big if at the moment since PD looks like AMD's last hurrah, SR's GCN had better work differently from Trinity which can't xfire above 6670 or better cards which also makes it not-so-usable for gaming.

 

[Vic Vega]

Just ordered the FX-8350 to replace my PII X4 965. No reason to build a new system.

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AMD X4 965 @ 4.1GHz | MSI 890FXA-GD70 | 2x 8GB Patriot V3 DDR3 2133 | 2x AMD Radeon HD5850 1GB | 2x OCZ S3 60GB SSD RAID 0 | 2x WD Caviar Black 1.5TB HDD RAID 1 | Antec P183 | Antec CP-1000 | 2x Dell 24" U2412M 1920x1200 | Corsair H70 | Win 7 Enterprise 64

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well, there is simply no need for a performance CPU for consumer market, given AMD is still committed to do Opteron server lines. For comsumer market, at least for gaming, the most demanding part is the graphics. For general software it's going to be parallelism, if we software engineers suddenly decided not to be lazy-ass. At both fields, APUs would shine. I do expect AMD to release streamroller APUs, where high end GCN is fused with a "hopefully not so crappy CPU". An high end GCN hybrid-cross-fired with another high-end GPU would be a better buy vs Haswell + a high-end GPU, where you still have to pay for the still-not-usable midranged GPU ...

It may change, but right now "hybrid crossfire" is basically worthless. You can only crossfire the APU with a very weak dgpu, a combination that disables the best part of an AMD APU, the igp, and which can be beaten handily by a low/midrange HD7750/7770. So you are left with an inefficient CPU and an unused igpu that is its only selling point.

 

[lehtv]

Just ordered the FX-8350 to replace my PII X4 965. No reason to build a new system.

For gaming, your 4.1GHz X4 is as fast as the stock FX-8350. If you OC it to 5GHz it'll be still only 25-30% faster per core.

Great buy though if you do heavily multithreaded stuff.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Just ordered the FX-8350 to replace my PII X4 965. No reason to build a new system.

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AMD X4 965 @ 4.1GHz | MSI 890FXA-GD70 | 2x 8GB Patriot V3 DDR3 2133 | 2x AMD Radeon HD5850 1GB | 2x OCZ S3 60GB SSD RAID 0 | 2x WD Caviar Black 1.5TB HDD RAID 1 | Antec P183 | Antec CP-1000 | 2x Dell 24" U2412M 1920x1200 | Corsair H70 | Win 7 Enterprise 64

Too bad Vishera doesn't have a DDR2 controller or I'd be right there with you. Enjoy your new chip!

 

[Xpage]

i am curious when AMD will be making the jump to DDR4

 

[Centauri]

Kinda hard when it doesn't exist yet.

 

[Vic Vega]

Kinda hard when it doesn't exist yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM

 

[AtenRa]

It may change, but right now "hybrid crossfire" is basically worthless. You can only crossfire the APU with a very weak dgpu, a combination that disables the best part of an AMD APU, the igp, and which can be beaten handily by a low/midrange HD7750/7770. So you are left with an inefficient CPU and an unused igpu that is its only selling point.

Inefficient in what ??? in every review I've seen, 5800K performance is equal or better than Core i3 depending on the app.

 

[Haserath]

Inefficient in what ??? in every review I've seen, 5800K performance is equal or better than Core i3 depending on the app.

Inefficient as in power for performance? The 5800k may exceed the i3 when all threads are used, but it does not match the power efficiency.

Doesn't match it on single threaded perf either.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Inefficient in what ??? in every review I've seen, 5800K performance is equal or better than Core i3 depending on the app.

4 cores = 2 cores---inefficient

higher power for lower single or lightly threaded performance----inefficient

gpu that is what, 50% of the die size that isnt being used----inefficient

 

[sm625]

I have two PC's that have the gigabyte ga-ma69gm-s2h motherboard with regor chips installed. They can take Callisto, Deneb, even Thuban chips. But there is no word on bulldozer let alone steamroller. I'll probably just upgrade them to phenomII 955-970 as soon as the price drops to under $50. Which should happen as soon as $50 ivb celeron hits the streets.

 

[inf64]

4 cores = 2 cores---inefficient

higher power for lower single or lightly threaded performance----inefficient

gpu that is what, 50% of the die size that isnt being used----inefficient

2 SMT capable fp units=2 SMT capable fp units =<parity

26W higher power draw for single thread tasks as shown by xbit labs when they compared 22nm 3770K vs 8350 .When it comes to 5800K it draws less power than 8350 . Similar could be said for i3 so they would probably have similar W difference in lightly threaded workloads. 26W is peanuts.
In idle state(95% of the time PC is idle) it's more power efficient as per Anand's measurements.
GPU is 50% the die size of 5800K and provides massively better performance in games than HD4000 (check AT 5800K numbers).

 

[soccerballtux]

Well, it isn't our fault that the Intel Cartel are going into full meltdown mode now that the glorious AMD has proven that is is guaranteed to reclaim superiority with the dark side. It is clear that everyone that isn't an Intel cartel supporter, owner, employee, shrill, and fanboy is piledriving by the dozen right now.

There is simply nothing Intel has to compete with this superior chip, and it is guaranteed that at least 30-70% performance is coming with a couple of months with Steamroller.

Those that fail to see the landslide in the making will be swept away by the resurrection of the last great savior that will slay the great dark beast.

Piledriver has defeated every Intel CPU
Steamroller will vanquish come out before haswell at a quarter of the price and will perform at least 50% better than it
Excavator will be a few short months from that, and it will give us more performance than any chip we can even imagine at this point

There are those of us that are seeing the truth, and there are those supporting the evil beast's cartel and monopoly with no facts, logic, information, or reason behind themselves.

lolol, thank you for this, that was very well done , thank you

 

[exar333]

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/1


Does that look any better to you? Hopefully they do one for Vishera with 7970s or 680s soon.

Yeah, AMD CPUs really struggle with high-end and multi-GPU setups. It would be interesting to see if the 8350 is any better. This is rather old in that it has the 2500k as well, so a more modern comparison would be great with newer titles as well.

 

[AtenRa]

4 cores = 2 cores---inefficient

higher power for lower single or lightly threaded performance----inefficient

gpu that is what, 50% of the die size that isnt being used----inefficient

By your logic, lets see the Core i3

4 threads = 2 cores + HT -----inefficient

less multithreaded performance ----- inefficient

iGPU is useless for gaming and GPGPU(openCL etc) ------ inefficient

cost more having less performance -------- inefficient

 

[jihe]

can vishera beat a thuban x6 yet?