Whos getting Vishera/new FX lineup?

[inf64]

AT results are not different from hardware.fr. Even Anand himself states in conclusion that 8350 is up to 20% faster within same power envelope ,which is lined up perfectly with what Hardware.fr's chart shows us (~7.7% more IPC in applications with PD):

Thanks to architectural and frequency improvements, AMD delivers up to 20% better performance than last year's FX-8150 for a lower launch price, while remaining within the same thermal envelope.

7.7% IPC uplift combined with up to 11% higher (stock) gives you :1.077x1.11=1.19 or close to what Anand states.
The average application workload uplift of 8350 in Hardware.fr charts is 173.3/151=~15% and this includes less threaded workloads also (which normally lowered the average number).

In games Hardware.fr claims 13.5% uplift and Anadtech shows this too in many titles they have tested.Some games don't show as much gain but it's normal that the uplift is not uniform across all gaming workloads. Note that in games FX8350 and FX8150 run at very similar clock since 8150 has very high half core Turbo (up to 4 active threads) and it's 3.9Ghz,which is very close to 4Ghz(2% difference) that 8350 runs those same workloads.

 

[MentalIlness]

Not sure about "most", but Asus didn't. Their AM3+ boards did NOT support Zamberzi with the shipped BIOS. The Crosshair could be updated without a CPU, but the Sabertooth needed a temporary AM3 CPU for that. I got this confirmed by 3rd level Asus support on their forum.

Two weeks after Bulldozer was launched, I bought a 990FX Sabertooth. And it had an updated BIOS. No update was needed, just detected the 8120 right off.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I like the progress they're making in x264, but its still not enough. If there happens to be a really good bundle from Microcenter I very well might end up getting it to play with, but I likely wouldn't keep it as I'd only have it specifically for x264 related work and there's just no way it will touch my 3930K for that.

 

[MentalIlness]

I plan on getting either the 8320 or the 8350 to compare clock for clock against my 8120.
Tests will be with the current HD 6870 and a HD 7870 / EVGA 660 Ti.
Will be using the H80 on the CPU.

 

[The Alias]

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136769
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341018
annnndd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144614 (comes free with the mobo)
what do you think guys ?

 

[sequoia464]

Not certain yet, dissapointed with a 6100 that I had, this 960T replacement seems to do all that I need it to do. .. I'm also limited in my current cooling - have an H60 set up push-pull that is barely adequate for the Thuban @ 3900.

Limited funds here these days, going to check out a few of the new tablets being released before deciding where to put my money.

 

[sequoia464]

Two weeks after Bulldozer was launched, I bought a 990FX Sabertooth. And it had an updated BIOS. No update was needed, just detected the 8120 right off.

I have a revision 1 of that board - no bios update yet for Vishera. Revision 2 got it's update a couple of days ago.

 

[pelov]

There were significant gains to be had simply from fixing the abysmal turbo mode behavior on Bulldozer

Actually, the turbo core was one of the few good aspects of the entire architecture. It was snappier and more responsive than Intel's turbo in SB.

I've got a 955 and I'm not planning on upgrading until I need to. This chip will last me another 2 years easy :/

 

[Olikan]

no, but I'm not convinced. There were significant gains to be had simply from fixing the abysmal turbo mode behavior on Bulldozer. It's hard to know how much of the gains are from that. For example, the 8150 vs 8350 single threaded performance at Cinebench r11.5

if they manage to lower the power consuption doing this, i can't see a problem

LOL...piledriver reminds me of Northwood, a quick and nice fix...not enought to beat the competition, but ok

 

[SlowSpyder]

If I knew Steamroller would work on AM3+, I would. But that is looking doubful.

 

[inf64]

FX8320 is mighty tempting. Anyone saw 8320 OCing results in some of the reviews? I expect it to at least match stock clock of 8350 with no Vcore adjustment (just change the multi in bios). For the money AMD asks,the 8320 is great value IMO. Just check out how it spanks 8150 which has both higher stock and turbo clock. Heck check out in the same anandtech CPU bench how it spanks 1100T across the board.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

If you have something older than a PII or first gen i series, and want cores with decent preformance, this would be the way to go. maybe a cheap server as well.

 

[alexruiz]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147153
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157281
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227801
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136769
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341018
annnndd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144614 (comes free with the mobo)
what do you think guys ?

* Are you planning on crossfiring, hence the 990FX board?
If not, I would suggest a 970 board, the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 as first choice, or the Biostar TA970XE as second, but any 970 board will be fine. Save some money on there
* They have a 1TB for the same $69.99. I think it is the single platter seagate DM1000xx or so. Get that one.
* I have that same video card, thumbs up
* Make the expense and get a 120GB SSD. I am not sold on the vertex 4 yet, but the vertex 3 has been very solid with latest firmware. Personally, I would pick the Sandisk extreme 120GB SSD (24nm toggle nand)
* If an OCZ PSU, why not the ZT 550W modular? Yes, it is only "550W", but all of those can be given in the 12V rail (45A) The Modxstream at 700W gives only 46-48A. The ZT is also more efficient and better built, got a good review here at AT and both Johny Guru and Gabriel Torres (hardware secrets) gave it a golden award review.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I am getting a few FX-6300s and FX-8320s to upgrade the existing machines.

If starting new, this CPU paired with a 970 board, it is a very solid setup. Add an SSD for boot drive, and a better video card that you could if going i5, and you have a clearly better system than the similarly priced blue setup

I would get the i5 for gaming, or any other use other than the specialized scenarios where Vishera does well. You can get a low end i5 for (i5 3450 for 194.00 on new egg) for the same price as the 8350 and an unlocked one for 20.00 more(i5 2500K for 219.00).

I dont disagree that the 8350 would be a decent set up but it is not "clearly better" than intel, and uses a lot more power to get lower performance in games. And we dont have OC results for Vishera, but I would anticipate that the power differential would only be magnified with overclocking. Even if you dont overclock, and use the CPU heavily 5 to 10 hours per day, you could save 10.00 or more per year on power, not to mention personally, I just prefer an efficient solution unless using more power gives clearly superior performance.

 

[MentalIlness]

I have a revision 1 of that board - no bios update yet for Vishera. Revision 2 got it's update a couple of days ago.

My Sabertooth is the first revision as well.

 

[The Alias]

* Are you planning on crossfiring, hence the 990FX board?
If not, I would suggest a 970 board, the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 as first choice, or the Biostar TA970XE as second, but any 970 board will be fine. Save some money on there
* They have a 1TB for the same $69.99. I think it is the single platter seagate DM1000xx or so. Get that one.
* I have that same video card, thumbs up
* Make the expense and get a 120GB SSD. I am not sold on the vertex 4 yet, but the vertex 3 has been very solid with latest firmware. Personally, I would pick the Sandisk extreme 120GB SSD (24nm toggle nand)
* If an OCZ PSU, why not the ZT 550W modular? Yes, it is only "550W", but all of those can be given in the 12V rail (45A) The Modxstream at 700W gives only 46-48A. The ZT is also more efficient and better built, got a good review here at AT and both Johny Guru and Gabriel Torres (hardware secrets) gave it a golden award review.

thanks and I got the 990fx board because I get 8gb of 1600 ram for free along with it

 

[alexruiz]

I would get the i5 for gaming, or any other use other than the specialized scenarios where Vishera does well. You can get a low end i5 for (i5 3450 for 194.00 on new egg) for the same price as the 8350 and an unlocked one for 20.00 more(i5 2500K for 219.00).

I dont disagree that the 8350 would be a decent set up but it is not "clearly better" than intel, and uses a lot more power to get lower performance in games. And we dont have OC results for Vishera, but I would anticipate that the power differential would only be magnified with overclocking. Even if you dont overclock, and use the CPU heavily 5 to 10 hours per day, you could save 10.00 or more per year on power, not to mention personally, I just prefer an efficient solution unless using more power gives clearly superior performance.

I already have 970 chipset AM3+ mobos, one running a FX8120, 2 running FX6100, 2 running 960T Zosma unlocked and one a fX4100. All of them have performed very nicely, even for gaming, even starcraft. As disclaimer, the 8210 is paired with a HD7950 (Sapphire), the FX6100s have HD7870s (MSI Hawk and Powercolor PCs+), the 960Ts have HD7850 (HIS X-IceQ and Sapphire OC), and the FX4100 has a HD7770 (Gigabyte OC undervolted)

All of them do gaming, but also are used for homework, productivity stuff, photo edition, video edition. 5 of them have 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD (2 Vertex 3, 3 Sandisk extreme), and the FX8120 has a 240GB sandisk extreme + 2 x 2TB HDDs. Had I gone blue, I would have had to cut the SSDs, or go lower in the video cards. Going green is what allowed me to spend the money in stuff that *I* can notice. I cannot see difference in 50fps vs 70fps minimums, but I surely can see going from low-med to high. Oh, and booting in 8 secs is something I can surely see also

As side comment, I have a 2600k at work, a very fine piece of silicon, but if I didn't know about computers, I would tell you it is a piece of junk as the system feels very slow. Yes, a spinner and heavy corporate bloatware/AV will bring even a mighty 2600k to its knees. The thing can surely fly if you let it stretch its wings, but 97% of the time it is asked to go on foot... The FXs might not fly as fast, but I am not asking them to go on foot either.

Intel is making better processors at the moment, nobody of us AMD fans is denying it, but we are not buying a processor, we are buying a whole system, and in that regard, AMD gives us a better system for the same money. The same budget allows for better video card and/or SSD.

 

[Kalessian]

Considering that Bulldozer support for my board (ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3) is still in beta, I suspect there won't be support for anything newer. So, no.

Sucks, doesn't it? I could have waited and spent a tiny bit more for a 990FX but asus made such a big deal out of supporting 890FX for the new FX chips I thought it wouldn't matter and then what they made still doesn't work right and I'm stuck with thuban for an upgrade path. Thx ASUS, shoulda gone with ASRock : http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/890FX Deluxe5/?cat=CPU

 

[Skitzer]

If I knew Steamroller would work on AM3+, I would. But that is looking doubful.

Socket AM3+ support is expected for both of AMD's Piledriver (Vishera) and Steamroller core CPU designs, with the latter scheduled for release in 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM3

 

[Ajay]

I briefly thought about it for a secondary machine I have running an Athlon on an AM3+ motherboard for F@H (for a pretty cheap price). But, the overclocked power consumption I'd likely use, for a really good PPD, is terrible, even though better than BD.

Maybe it would be OK, stock - I'll have to think about it some more. PD is up to 25% faster on some work units!

 

[pelov]

Socket AM3+ support is expected for both of AMD's Piledriver (Vishera) and Steamroller core CPU designs, with the latter scheduled for release in 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM3

AMD has yet to publicly give any sort of table, timeline or graph with a Steamroller desktop product at all. The only ones we've seen show Vishera and Kaveri with no mention of a Steamroller desktop derivative. It wouldn't be surprising to see it, given that their desktop chips are just server chips with an FX branding, but socket compatibility will depend on the changes on socket compatibility on server.

 

[lifeblood]

I'm getting an 8350 once the price comes down to the advertised $199.

My wife does modelling for her PhD which includes using the Monte Carlo simulation where Vishera does very well. Most of the games I play are going to be GPU limited or have such high FPS rates that it doesn't matter which CPU I use. Asrock has already released a new BIOS for my MB that supports Vishera. The higher power usage doesn't bug me since my PC is turned off when I'm not using it.

 

[The Alias]

I'm getting an 8350 once the price comes down to the advertised $199.

My wife does modelling for her PhD which includes using the Monte Carlo simulation where Vishera does very well. Most of the games I play are going to be GPU limited or have such high FPS rates that it doesn't matter which CPU I use. Asrock has already released a new BIOS for my MB that supports Vishera. The higher power usage doesn't bug me since my PC is turned off when I'm not using it.

you should get the 8320 and up the multiplier so it's at 8350 speeds saves you some money

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

IPC on this is 5% higher than Bulldozer and clocks 5-10% higher. Really not sure how some people are excited for this when an i5 is overall faster and consumes half the power.

This is nothing but a small revision of Bulldozer, which is why you only see a ~10% performance increase. How are people going crazy over a 10% increase to a POS?

 

[Yuriman]

I'm excited in principle even though I have no plans to buy one. More pressure on Intel means better chips and lower prices.