Whoopi & Joy Walk off The View while discussing Mosque with Bill O'Reilly

[Scotteq]

Not all Terrorists are Muslim.


These Particular Terrorists damned well were.

 

[Josh]

The whole problem was the entire context of Blubbering Bill's statement. Taken individually the statements are slightly inflammatory, but correct in factual content.

His statement, "BECAUSE MUSLIMS KILLED US ON 9/11, THAT’S WHY!" (copy and paste from transcript), is a factual statement. Muslims, or people claiming to be of the Muslim religion did kill "us" on 9/11.

But here's the kicker, the higher context of what he was stating. He was several generalities, and a few can be blown off. First off, I'm not dead, except maybe my love life, so Muslims didn't kill "us" but they did kill fellow Americans. That lumping type of sentence is used to instill portent in his words to those that actually want to side with his statement.

But when you take his statement in regards to the previous parts of the conversation, about Muslims wanting to build a Mosque @ GZ, then you see why people would be inflamed.

Muslims want to build a Mosque. Americans don't want the Mosque built there. Because Muslims attacked us.

Look at his statement like that. See the generalization of his last sentence in regards to previous conversation points made before hand? He's lumping Muslim extremists with American Muslims. Then segregates American Muslims from the "us" category of also being Americans with one swift stroke.

Then when Whoopi went on to clarify his statement with "EXTREMISTS DID THAT!" (copy & paste from transcript), Bill still remade the statement "YOU’RE OUTRAGED ABOUT MUSLIMS KILLING US ON 9/11?"

While admittedly Whoopi was a bit hot under the collar as one can see that Bill pushed her buttons with the original inflammatory statement, when she gave Bill a chance to correct his statement, he made a normal troll response back. He made the SAME generalization of Muslims attacking "us" on 9/11.

Basically Bill was being a straight up fucktard at that point.

Good analysis.

 

[dawp]

I didn't know the inquisition went on that long but I suppose that would count. The witch trials are another good example of a dozen or so women unjustly persecuted. Then again, there are probably a dozen muslim women unjustly persecuted every second, now.

there were more in europe than here, thousands and they lasted into the 18th century and are still going on in africa:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/575178.stm

 

[MJinZ]

Not all Terrorists are Muslim.


These Particular Terrorists damned well were.

Statistically, it is safer to assume Muslim terrorists than to assume Non-Muslim terrorists.

That is all.

 

[HomerJS]

Statistically, it is safer to assume Muslim terrorists than to assume Non-Muslim terrorists.

That is all.

Statistically its safer to assume Republicans racist.
Statistically its safer to assume Republicans homophobic.

 

[Scotteq]

Statistically its safer to assume Republicans racist.
Statistically its safer to assume Republicans homophobic.

It's also statistically safer to presume Dems like to throw stereotypes in order to demonize people they don't like. :whiste:

 

[werepossum]

How is it "technically" correct to describe a few people, who are far more aptly described as terrorists, as Muslims, when they don't actually practice Islam? What conclusion has led you to believe they practice Islam as practiced by 90%+ of the known Muslim world? If you're taking their word for it or going based off their garb, then you don't know what a Muslim is. Or your definition isn't mainstream. And even if you were to call them Muslim and actually be accurate, what makes you think it's even relevant to point out that particular over their far more overwhelming socio-pathology? It's considerably more accurate to call them sociopaths, as that psychosis is what actually drove them, fueled merely by something that was easy and convenient for them to latch onto based on their country of origin.

You think men who often have memorized the entire Quran, who take the word of Islamic clerics as the literal word of G-d, who are attempting to spread Sharia law and Islamic theocracies across the entire world, and who are sacrificing their lives in their belief that Allah will reward them with an eternity of deflowering virgins don't actually practice Islam? Shit, why not just go ahead and call them fundamentalist Christians, you wouldn't look any more stupid.

Behar and Goldberg behaved as liberals so often do - they demanded that the debate be framed in the language they prefer before they will even engage in the debate.

 

[HomerJS]

Statistically its safer to assume Republicans racist.
Statistically its safer to assume Republicans homophobic.

It's also statistically safer to presume Dems like to throw stereotypes in order to demonize people they don't like. :whiste:

You mean things like Nazi, Socialist?

The point was you cannot tarnish an entire group bacause of the actions of a few lunatics. Muslim moderates need to make a greater effort speaking out against the radical extremeists. The GOP has the same problem with racists. They need to stop humoring them and speak out more forcefully.

 

[Scotteq]

You mean things like Nazi, Socialist?

The point was you cannot tarnish an entire group bacause of the actions of a few lunatics. Muslim moderates need to make a greater effort speaking out against the radical extremeists. The GOP has the same problem with racists. They need to stop humoring them and speak out more forcefully.

..and my point, which you made a small effort to address in your second sentence, is that when people who clearly belong to your group commit mass murder in the name of your group then: (1) Whether you like it or not, they do still belong to your group and (2) It is in your group's best interest to bring the criminals to justice rather than deny and lie. (3) It is further in your group's best interests to prevent same from occurring again, lest your honest efforts be perceived as a smokescreen.


Very Simply: MUSLIM TERRORISTS are twisting the MUSLIM FAITH into a mantra for Terror, Hate, and Filth. Their acts are outrageous enough that a very small minority of Muslims are tainting the world's perception of Muslims as a whole. It is therefore in the best interests of the MUSLIM FAITH for MUSLIMS to root out and reeducate or destroy the criminals and maniacs in their own ranks who are tarnishing the name of an otherwise peaceful religion.

 

[bfdd]

There are people who believe they're Jesus Christ reincarnated and have attacked people over it. But few people (well, maybe you, lol) would actually argue that just because these fringe people believe they're Jesus, means Jesus Christ attacked us or that Christians attacked us. But hey, if you want to believe Jesus Christ is a terrorist because a few violent nutballs believe they're Him, you're free to be, um, inordinately stupid I suppose? lol.

Why would I argue that Jesus Christ himself attacked us if he didn't? Why would I say all Christians attacked us if they didn't? Look YOU are ASSUMING Bill meant ALL Muslims because he said "Muslims killed us on 9/11" Where does he say all? You know it wasn't all, I know it wasn't all, you are assuming he meant all because of your prejudice and bias against Bill O'Reilly and what he represents. That's all this boils down to. Let's not forget that the train of thought wasn't even allowed to continue, they flipped out on him just for saying "Muslims killed us on 9/11" He acknowledged that he was not talking about ALL Muslims. They flipped out for no fucking reason and all they said was "extremists" "extremists attacked us" what the fuck does that mean? You can't just be an extremist, you have to be an extremist of SOMETHING. These men were MUSLIM MEN WHO ATTACKED US. Do they speak for all Muslims? No they do not, we all know this only idiots would assume Bill was talking about Islam as a whole.

 

[bfdd]

50%+.

I like how you people are so ingrained with the "Islam is evil", "Muslims are mostly terrorists" propaganda. Must be quite a sad way to live, perpetually scared of us Muslims, who are, interestingly, growing in large numbers in this country

Only idiots believe Islam is evil and that Muslims are the only terrorists. The problem is we can't just say "oh these Muslim terrorists" because people get their panties in a bunch thinking we're idiots because they assume that we mean ALL Muslims are terrorists when it is rather obvious to anyone with a fucking brain knows not all Muslims are terrorists and ideas can't be inherently evil.

 

[her209]

Only idiots believe Islam is evil and that Muslims are the only terrorists. The problem is we can't just say "oh these Muslim terrorists" because people get their panties in a bunch thinking we're idiots because they assume that we mean ALL Muslims are terrorists when it is rather obvious to anyone with a fucking brain knows not all Muslims are terrorists and ideas can't be inherently evil.

This was about the ground zero mosque. If Bill didn't mean all Muslims, then why oppose a mosque unless he's lumping all Muslims into the extremists/terrorists group?

 

[werepossum]

This was about the ground zero mosque. If Bill didn't mean all Muslims, then why oppose a mosque unless he's lumping all Muslims into the extremists/terrorists group?

How about because it's imam called America an accessory before the fact in the 9/11 attack only days after the event?

How about because it's imam chose to name it after the famous mosque built to celebrate Islam's conquest of the entire Iberian peninsula?

 

[thegimp03]

Hah, Bill should have told them not to let the door hit them on the way out.

 

[QuantumPion]

How about because it's imam called America an accessory before the fact in the 9/11 attack only days after the event?

How about because it's imam chose to name it after the famous mosque built to celebrate Islam's conquest of the entire Iberian peninsula?

Also the Imam has ties to the same Wahhabist mosque where Mohammad Attah and Major Hassan attended.

 

[irishScott]

When did The View turn into the Mclaughlin Group?

 

[First]

Why would I argue that Jesus Christ himself attacked us if he didn't? Why would I say all Christians attacked us if they didn't?

They did you tard, both self-described Christians and self-described Jesus Christ's have quite literally committed violence against Americans citizens. Nowhere did I say "all". Of course, they aren't really Christians or Jesus Christ. Get it yet? I hope so.

Look YOU are ASSUMING Bill meant ALL Muslims because he said "Muslims killed us on 9/11" Where does he say all? You know it wasn't all, I know it wasn't all, you are assuming he meant all because of your prejudice and bias against Bill O'Reilly and what he represents.

Read HumblePie's post from page 4. He responded to question with a clear implication and nowhere would he even admit he was wrong for using the wording (I didn't watch every second though, maybe he eventually did).

That's all this boils down to. Let's not forget that the train of thought wasn't even allowed to continue, they flipped out on him just for saying "Muslims killed us on 9/11" He acknowledged that he was not talking about ALL Muslims. They flipped out for no fucking reason and all they said was "extremists" "extremists attacked us" what the fuck does that mean? You can't just be an extremist, you have to be an extremist of SOMETHING. These men were MUSLIM MEN WHO ATTACKED US. Do they speak for all Muslims? No they do not, we all know this only idiots would assume Bill was talking about Islam as a whole.

You are inordinately slow. They aren't Muslims unless your definition isn't mainstream in which case you're butchering the meaning of Muslim.

 

[HomerJS]

..and my point, which you made a small effort to address in your second sentence, is that when people who clearly belong to your group commit mass murder in the name of your group then: (1) Whether you like it or not, they do still belong to your group and (2) It is in your group's best interest to bring the criminals to justice rather than deny and lie. (3) It is further in your group's best interests to prevent same from occurring again, lest your honest efforts be perceived as a smokescreen.


Very Simply: MUSLIM TERRORISTS are twisting the MUSLIM FAITH into a mantra for Terror, Hate, and Filth. Their acts are outrageous enough that a very small minority of Muslims are tainting the world's perception of Muslims as a whole. It is therefore in the best interests of the MUSLIM FAITH for MUSLIMS to root out and reeducate or destroy the criminals and maniacs in their own ranks who are tarnishing the name of an otherwise peaceful religion.

I was being honest in my assesment of Muslim moderates. Maybe the GOP should take the same lesson when it comes to racists. But I guess logic only holds for groups you dislike.

 

[qliveur]

I'm a slightly conservative moderate, and I think that Bill O'Reilly's an attention-whoring jackass who doesn't believe half of the bullshit that he spews.

"I'm for gun control, yet I'm a conservative."

Yeah, right, motherfucker.

 

[Throckmorton]

Also the Imam has ties to the same Wahhabist mosque where Mohammad Attah and Major Hassan attended.

The imam is a Sufi