Whoopi & Joy Walk off The View while discussing Mosque with Bill O'Reilly

[coreyb]

lmao. The fail is strong in me.

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[First]

What is incorrect about it?

Although his statement is inflammatory because it leads you to believe that all muslims are extremists, it is still technically correct.

How is it "technically" correct to describe a few people, who are far more aptly described as terrorists, as Muslims, when they don't actually practice Islam? What conclusion has led you to believe they practice Islam as practiced by 90%+ of the known Muslim world? If you're taking their word for it or going based off their garb, then you don't know what a Muslim is. Or your definition isn't mainstream. And even if you were to call them Muslim and actually be accurate, what makes you think it's even relevant to point out that particular over their far more overwhelming socio-pathology? It's considerably more accurate to call them sociopaths, as that psychosis is what actually drove them, fueled merely by something that was easy and convenient for them to latch onto based on their country of origin.

 

[First]

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Yikes, and this was your best too.

 

[bfdd]

How is it "technically" correct to describe a few people, who are far more aptly described as terrorists, as Muslims, when they don't actually practice Islam? What conclusion has led you to believe they practice Islam as practiced by 90%+ of the known Muslim world? If you're taking their word for it or going based off their garb, then you don't know what a Muslim is. Or your definition isn't mainstream. And even if you were to call them Muslim and actually be accurate, what makes you think it's even relevant to point that out over their overwhelming socio-pathology? It's far more accurate to call them sociopaths as their psychosis is what actually drove them, fueled merely by something that was easy and convenient for them to latch onto based on their country of origin.

Wait wait wait are you saying that they weren't Muslims? Did they know that? You're really fucking stretching here First. So what makes one a Muslim? Are you saying that only 10% of the population which would consider themselves Muslim are actually Muslim? Do you know how fucking retarded that sounds? A Sunday Catholic is still a Catholic dumbass.

 

[First]

Wait wait wait are you saying that they weren't Muslims? Did they know that? You're really fucking stretching here First. So what makes one a Muslim? Are you saying that only 10% of the population which would consider themselves Muslim are actually Muslim? Do you know how fucking retarded that sounds? A Sunday Catholic is still a Catholic dumbass.

There are people who believe they're Jesus Christ reincarnated and have attacked people over it. But few people (well, maybe you, lol) would actually argue that just because these fringe people believe they're Jesus, means Jesus Christ attacked us or that Christians attacked us. But hey, if you want to believe Jesus Christ is a terrorist because a few violent nutballs believe they're Him, you're free to be, um, inordinately stupid I suppose? lol.

 

[coreyb]

If your life revolves around ALLAH you are muslim.

 

[dmcowen674]

If your life revolves around ALLAH you are muslim.

ALLAH is their name for God so everyone is Muslim

 

[dmcowen674]

9/11 was an attack by Islam on the US.

You can argue that it's not representative of all Islam, but it doesn't change the fact that Muslims who crashed planes into buildings in the name of Allah.

The left has really gotten to the level of double-speak on this issue.

They did it in the name of God? Don't think so.

They did it because they are whacked, period.

 

[Genx87]

O'Reilly is full of sht, how many alleged Christians have murdered someone in the past month? We don't refer to them as Christians even though they may claim to be, we refer to them as murderers. Targeting and labeling entire religions as terrorists are bound to incite rage just as Mr. Moron-o-reilly did.

I also think Whoopi and Joy are full of shit. If somebody lumped Christians into a group they wouldnt had stormed off like a 4 year old.

 

[routan]

If the hijackers were yelling "ANAND IS GREAT", posted about how they were blowing up the towers because of some perceived slight against anandtech, and 50%+ of the anandtech community were cheering/praising their actions, then yes I would said "anandtechers attacked us". Seriously, how complicated is this?

50%+.

I like how you people are so ingrained with the "Islam is evil", "Muslims are mostly terrorists" propaganda. Must be quite a sad way to live, perpetually scared of us Muslims, who are, interestingly, growing in large numbers in this country

 

[QuantumPion]

The Inquisition was active until the mid 19th century. They were pretty bloody through much of their history. And don't forget the witch hunts. Those were in the name of god.

I didn't know the inquisition went on that long but I suppose that would count. The witch trials are another good example of a dozen or so women unjustly persecuted. Then again, there are probably a dozen muslim women unjustly persecuted every second, now.

 

[QuantumPion]

50%+.

I like how you people are so ingrained with the "Islam is evil", "Muslims are mostly terrorists" propaganda. Must be quite a sad way to live, perpetually scared of us Muslims, who are, interestingly, growing in large numbers in this country

Is that supposed to be some sort of threat? :|

Regardless, it's not as bad as being perpetually scared of the Jews.

 

[HomerJS]

Really? You really don't understand? "Raiders attacked us" Did all of the raiders attack us or could I have been talking about a group of raiders attacking us? Now lets look at this, Muslims attacked us on 9/11, am I talking about a group of Muslims attacking us or all Muslims attacking us? Well OBVIOUSLY not ALL Muslims attacked us, so it must be a group of Muslims that attacked us. Seriously I have to explain this to you? 1 Christian is a Christian, just as 1 Muslim is a Muslim.


To the dude who said it's splitting hairs, so? He BARELY used baited language and they FLIPPED. I mean seriously?

O'Reilly knows people on the right lap up simplicities, platitudes, talking points, etc. They love black and white, hate things that are complicated. Its the reason why 50% of the GOP think the President is Muslim. It's why 25% of them think the President was not born in this country. It's that low level thinking that allows people like Sarah Palin to have a lucrative career. Yes you do need to be precise when describing who attacted us on 9/11, extremeist muslims.

I'll try one often objected to... Republicans display, promote racist images of the President.
The complaint would be you're calling all of us racists.

 

[Scotteq]

50%+.

I like how you people are so ingrained with the "Islam is evil", "Muslims are mostly terrorists" propaganda. Must be quite a sad way to live, perpetually scared of us Muslims, who are, interestingly, growing in large numbers in this country

Actually - I see it as "...people not accepting that the Terrorists were Muslims who's twisted vision of their religion leads them to commit atrocities against... well.. everyone they don't agree with. Easier to deny the terrorists are Muslim to begin with than it is to tackle the real problem.".


It's clear to any reasonable person that these maniacs do not represent the majority of the Muslim faith. But it's also clear to any reasonable person that the TERRORISTS damned well ARE MUSLIMS. Denying this is both asinine and disingenuous.

Regarding the perception of non~Muslims as a result of the acts of these Terrorists: One would think that the right minded, and peace loving Muslims would work long and hard to rid the world of these individuals - (..peacefully and through education if possible. By Force if necessary) - who would twist their faith into a mantra of Hatred, and Terror, and Filth.


More plainly - If MUSLIMS want the world to think better of MUSLIMS, then it's to the benefit of their faith that they FIX THESE MANIACS WHO ARE KILLING IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION, rather than denying there is a problem, walking away, and then complaining that the people who are actually trying (however badly) to do the job for you are doing it wrong.

We do NOT see Muslims doing this. Rather we have to deal with half assed crap like (*cough*Pakis*cough*tan*cough) who pay lip service out of one side of their mouths while SHELTERING FILTH with the other.

 

[HumblePie]

The whole problem was the entire context of Blubbering Bill's statement. Taken individually the statements are slightly inflammatory, but correct in factual content.

His statement, "BECAUSE MUSLIMS KILLED US ON 9/11, THAT’S WHY!" (copy and paste from transcript), is a factual statement. Muslims, or people claiming to be of the Muslim religion did kill "us" on 9/11.

But here's the kicker, the higher context of what he was stating. He was using several generalities. First off, I'm not dead except maybe my love life, so Muslims didn't kill "us," but they did kill fellow Americans. That lumping type of word usage is done to instill portent in his words to those that actually want to side with his statement.

But when you take his statement in regards to the previous parts of the conversation, about Muslims wanting to build a Mosque @ GZ, then you see why people would be inflamed.

Muslims want to build a Mosque. Americans don't want the Mosque built there. Because Muslims attacked us.

Look at his statement like that. See the generalization of his last sentence in regards to previous conversation points made before hand? He's lumping Muslim extremists with American Muslims. Then segregates American Muslims from the "us" category of also being Americans with one swift stroke.

Then when Whoopi went on to clarify his statement with "EXTREMISTS DID THAT!" (copy & paste from transcript), Bill still remade the statement "YOU’RE OUTRAGED ABOUT MUSLIMS KILLING US ON 9/11?"

While admittedly Whoopi was a bit hot under the collar as one can see that Bill pushed her buttons with the original inflammatory statement, when she gave Bill a chance to correct his statement, he made a normal troll response back. He made the SAME generalization of Muslims attacking "us" on 9/11.

Basically Bill was being a straight up fucktard at that point.

 

[actuarial]

When will people realize that the people who took down the tower didn't do it because of their belief in a specific God, they did it because they came from a fucked up part of the world and were brainwashed by people who want to spread terror. Just like people in Uganda who kill gays don't do it because they're Christian. ANY religion would have been a suitable vehicle to accomplish these things.

While it is technically correct that Muslims took down the WTC, it is technically correct that Christians are actively trying to institute the death penalty for homosexuality.

In my mind, as a non-believer, I see all religions on equal footing. Should I be upset about a Catholic church being built near the WTC because religious people took down the towers?

And finally: Terrorists attacked Muslims on September 11.

 

[MJinZ]

bfdd, yes, we all get that Muslim extremists are a sub-category of Muslims.

But Bill O'Reilly wasn't defending opposition to a Muslim extremist mosque. He was defending opposition to a Muslim mosque.

You can't say "All Muslim extremists are Muslims, but all Muslims are not extremists" and then with the same breath say "I oppose the building of a mosque by non-extremist Muslims close to ground zero". It's a non sequitur.

I believe Bill wanted to say that Muslims are all basically extremists because they share root religious idiocy, therefore, Muslims should be banned.

 

[Scotteq]

And finally: Terrorists attacked Muslims on September 11.

Wrong - Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim, attacked United States targets and happened to kill some other Muslims who happened to be in the way.

 

[MJinZ]

When will people realize that the people who took down the tower didn't do it because of their belief in a specific God, they did it because they came from a fucked up part of the world and were brainwashed by people who want to spread terror. Just like people in Uganda who kill gays don't do it because they're Christian. ANY religion would have been a suitable vehicle to accomplish these things.

While it is technically correct that Muslims took down the WTC, it is technically correct that Christians are actively trying to institute the death penalty for homosexuality.

In my mind, as a non-believer, I see all religions on equal footing. Should I be upset about a Catholic church being built near the WTC because religious people took down the towers?

And finally: Terrorists attacked Muslims on September 11.

No sorry nice try but only stupid hate based religions would be suitable for accomplish hateful acts. I'm pretty sure Buddhists don't give a shit about buttfucking.

 

[MJinZ]

The whole problem was the entire context of Blubbering Bill's statement. Taken individually the statements are slightly inflammatory, but correct in factual content.

His statement, "BECAUSE MUSLIMS KILLED US ON 9/11, THAT’S WHY!" (copy and paste from transcript), is a factual statement. Muslims, or people claiming to be of the Muslim religion did kill "us" on 9/11.

But here's the kicker, the higher context of what he was stating. He was several generalities, and a few can be blown off. First off, I'm not dead, except maybe my love life, so Muslims didn't kill "us" but they did kill fellow Americans. That lumping type of sentence is used to instill portent in his words to those that actually want to side with his statement.

But when you take his statement in regards to the previous parts of the conversation, about Muslims wanting to build a Mosque @ GZ, then you see why people would be inflamed.

Muslims want to build a Mosque. Americans don't want the Mosque built there. Because Muslims attacked us.

Look at his statement like that. See the generalization of his last sentence in regards to previous conversation points made before hand? He's lumping Muslim extremists with American Muslims. Then segregates American Muslims from the "us" category of also being Americans with one swift stroke.

Then when Whoopi went on to clarify his statement with "EXTREMISTS DID THAT!" (copy & paste from transcript), Bill still remade the statement "YOU’RE OUTRAGED ABOUT MUSLIMS KILLING US ON 9/11?"

While admittedly Whoopi was a bit hot under the collar as one can see that Bill pushed her buttons with the original inflammatory statement, when she gave Bill a chance to correct his statement, he made a normal troll response back. He made the SAME generalization of Muslims attacking "us" on 9/11.

Basically Bill was being a straight up fucktard at that point.

Bill was being no different than 99% of Americans that were outraged that "Japs" had attacked Pearl Harbor and then proceeded to put them in containment.

But he has a bit more point because racial aside, he MUST believe in something fundamental to all Muslims that makes them no different than the extremists.

Who knows, I didn't study religion. But apparently Muslims are douchebags all around as they stone their women and other stuff. They're like the Christian douchebags of a few centuries ago. Now the Christians don't have Blacks to rage on, so all they're left with is butt fucking basically.

 

[MJinZ]

Wrong - Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim, attacked United States targets and happened to kill some other Muslims who happened to be in the way.

Incorrect assessment. If a terrorist happens to be a female - that's fine. But as most Terrorists are muslim, there is no happenstance.

Muslim Terrorists attacked US and happened to kill probably innocent muslims as collateral damage.

 

[Scotteq]

Bill was being no different than 99% of Americans that were outraged that "Japs" had attacked Pearl Harbor and then proceeded to put them in containment..

We understand it wasn't right to put non combatant Japanese/Americans into camps, but the difference is that in 1945 nobody denied that the attackers were Japanese.

What we're looking at here - in this very thread - are individuals asserting the equivalant of "Maniacs Who Are Not Japanese Attacked Japanese People at Pearl Harbor".

 

[Scotteq]

Muslim Terrorists attacked US and happened to kill probably innocent muslims as collateral damage.

That's what I said.

 

[MJinZ]

That's what I said.

Nope, you said they happened to be Muslim.

One instance makes the assumption that Terrorists are not normally Muslim.

The other makes the assumption that Terrorists ARE normally Muslim.

 

[MJinZ]

We understand it wasn't right to put non combatant Japanese/Americans into camps, but the difference is that in 1945 nobody denied that the attackers were Japanese.

What we're looking at here - in this very thread - are individuals asserting the equivalant of "Maniacs Who Are Not Japanese Attacked Japanese People at Pearl Harbor".

Well that is obviously not true.

Muslims attacked the Twin Towers, they didn't attack a Muslim community or whatever. However many Muslims that died were not the intended targets, if they even were targets at all.