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[MacLeod1592]

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No I think they hate us because for one because of our success as a nation. They've been around a couple thousand years but are still living in huts. We've been around a little over 200 have have what we do. Then there is the whole Muslim thing where they hate anybody that's not Muslim but nobody more than Jews and we've got a lot of Jews over here and we support Israel staunchly.

Frankly I don't care why they hate us. Youre trying to kill me, Ill kill you. No point in trying to negotiate with somebody that wants you dead.

 

[soundforbjt]

No I think they hate us because for one because of our success as a nation. They've been around a couple thousand years but are still living in huts. We've been around a little over 200 have have what we do. Then there is the whole Muslim thing where they hate anybody that's not Muslim but nobody more than Jews and we've got a lot of Jews over here and we support Israel staunchly.

Frankly I don't care why they hate us. Youre trying to kill me, Ill kill you. No point in trying to negotiate with somebody that wants you dead.

Guess you've never seen Dubai. Do you think all Muslims are the same?

 

[fskimospy]

No I think they hate us because for one because of our success as a nation. They've been around a couple thousand years but are still living in huts. We've been around a little over 200 have have what we do. Then there is the whole Muslim thing where they hate anybody that's not Muslim but nobody more than Jews and we've got a lot of Jews over here and we support Israel staunchly.

Frankly I don't care why they hate us. Youre trying to kill me, Ill kill you. No point in trying to negotiate with somebody that wants you dead.

You realize that not everyone is like Jason from Friday the 13th, and that through negotiations you can actually get people to stop wanting to kill you, right? It happens all the time.

 

[MacLeod1592]

Guess you've never seen Dubai. Do you think all Muslims are the same?

Absolutely not! There are plenty of patriotic Muslims in this country and there were several Muslim first responders running into the burning trade center risking and in some cases sacrificing their lives trying to save others.

This isn't a problem with Muslims, its a problem with radical Muslims that hate non Muslims and are being funded by anti-American governments. Places like Dubai, India, Saudi Arabia aren't the problem. Its Iran, Palestinians and Syria that are the problem and Pakistan ain't too far down the list. These are the ones that hate us and our allies and are actively trying to kill us. You really think that the instant Iran gets a nuke that they wont try their dead level best to try and detonate that thing over DC?

 

[MacLeod1592]

You realize that not everyone is like Jason from Friday the 13th, and that through negotiations you can actually get people to stop wanting to kill you, right? It happens all the time.

I disagree. You and I could negotiate to a solution but we're not talking about rational people. We're talking about people that will strap bombs on their kids to blow themselves up along with hundreds of innocent civilians and who are funded by governments that would love nothing more than to topple the US and her allies.

You can negotiate with that.

 

[fskimospy]

I disagree. You and I could negotiate to a solution but we're not talking about rational people. We're talking about people that will strap bombs on their kids to blow themselves up along with hundreds of innocent civilians and who are funded by governments that would love nothing more than to topple the US and her allies.

You can negotiate with that.

We are definitely talking about rational people, and regardless there has specifically been negotiated peace between groups that have used suicide tactics and others in the past.

It's a common tactic in the US to deride our enemies as being insane as opposed to just being... you know... our enemies. It's a terrible cultural blind spot for us that makes it much harder to effectively pursue our interests.

 

[MacLeod1592]

So you think that these terrorists are rational people? People like the guy in Iran (not even gonna try to spell that one) stating he wants to wipe Israel off the map is rational? Israel has been negotiating with Palestinians for decades and gotten nowhere. A few years ago Sharon (I think) offered virtually everything Arafat had demanded and they still turned them down.

And again, I'm not saying we should go kill everybody I'm just saying that we stand ready and prepare. Pulling our entire military presence out of these countries is a mistake. We shouldn't start shit but we should stand there heavily armed telling them you fuck with us and we'll kill you. If they want to talk that's fine. I'm not against negotiations. I'm just saying have a strong military presence in place in case they don't want to negotiate.

Trust me, I hope yore right and that we can negotiate peace. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready for he worst.

 

[thraashman]

No I think they hate us because for one because of our success as a nation. They've been around a couple thousand years but are still living in huts. We've been around a little over 200 have have what we do. Then there is the whole Muslim thing where they hate anybody that's not Muslim but nobody more than Jews and we've got a lot of Jews over here and we support Israel staunchly.

Frankly I don't care why they hate us. Youre trying to kill me, Ill kill you. No point in trying to negotiate with somebody that wants you dead.

I'd say they hate us because we spent most of the post WWII 20th Century using them as puppets. We puppeted Iraq and Iran against eachother. We puppeted Afghanistan against Russia. We puppeted pretty much all of Southeast Asia. We toppled dictators throughout the world to impose worse dictators. Or we backed horrific monsters of human beings because the other option was a communist. We sorta have a history in the last half of the 20th Century of fucking with everyone else, and now it's come back to haunt us.

 

[fskimospy]

So you think that these terrorists are rational people? People like the guy in Iran (not even gonna try to spell that one) stating he wants to wipe Israel off the map is rational? Israel has been negotiating with Palestinians for decades and gotten nowhere. A few years ago Sharon (I think) offered virtually everything Arafat had demanded and they still turned them down.

And again, I'm not saying we should go kill everybody I'm just saying that we stand ready and prepare. Pulling our entire military presence out of these countries is a mistake. We shouldn't start shit but we should stand there heavily armed telling them you fuck with us and we'll kill you. If they want to talk that's fine. I'm not against negotiations. I'm just saying have a strong military presence in place in case they don't want to negotiate.

Trust me, I hope yore right and that we can negotiate peace. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready for he worst.

Yes, Ahmadinejad is rational, although it's not like it matters. You realize he has zero real power, right? You think the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is enduring because the Palestinians are irrational? That's absurd.

I never said to disband our military, I am just trying to spread the word that our misguided belief that everyone who opposes us is insane is holding America back.

 

[MacLeod1592]

I'd say they hate us because we spent most of the post WWII 20th Century using them as puppets. We puppeted Iraq and Iran against eachother. We puppeted Afghanistan against Russia. We puppeted pretty much all of Southeast Asia. We toppled dictators throughout the world to impose worse dictators. Or we backed horrific monsters of human beings because the other option was a communist. We sorta have a history in the last half of the 20th Century of fucking with everyone else, and now it's come back to haunt us.

As do most countries.

Even if everything you say is right, that is by no means a justification for 9/11.

If you and your girlfriend walk down a dark alley at night and some thugs jump you, stab you them rape your girl. Is that your fault for being in a dark alley or their fault for being murdering scum.

The 3000 civillians that were killed in the world trade center weren't toppling any governments.

I just can't comprehend somebody looking at 9/11 and thinking "gee I wonder what we did to deserve that."

 

[momeNt]

So you think that these terrorists are rational people? People like the guy in Iran (not even gonna try to spell that one) stating he wants to wipe Israel off the map is rational? Israel has been negotiating with Palestinians for decades and gotten nowhere. A few years ago Sharon (I think) offered virtually everything Arafat had demanded and they still turned them down.

And again, I'm not saying we should go kill everybody I'm just saying that we stand ready and prepare. Pulling our entire military presence out of these countries is a mistake. We shouldn't start shit but we should stand there heavily armed telling them you fuck with us and we'll kill you. If they want to talk that's fine. I'm not against negotiations. I'm just saying have a strong military presence in place in case they don't want to negotiate.

Trust me, I hope yore right and that we can negotiate peace. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready for he worst.

So we have the minotaur dilemma is what you are saying.

If we don't provide them an offering - in USA's case it is soldiers - for them to kill, they will come on our land and kill (see 9/11). So the price we pay for national security is the sacrifice of innocent servicemen and women to satiate the irrational, religious zealots (minotaur).

 

[PingviN]

Really? That's all you can come up with? "Well your country sucks because you're a bunch of big fat meanies and you're too dumb to see how much you suck".

Brilliant. I'm just thankful people like you aren't in charge.

Yes, and thankfully you wont be in charge for much longer. In case you haven't noticed.

If you want to kid yourself into believing that the US foreign policy is for the greater good, you're mistaken. The crap you pull is for your own sake, you don't give two shits about the rest of the world. Invading Afghanistan to root out terror (good job doing that, worked out swell for everyone) and then invading Iraq under false pretense - being stuck for 10 years, doing nothing but strengthening the Taliban and making the world a more dangerous place is not helping your case.

You are too dumb to see how much you suck, I agree. Take a day or two and reflect on what has happened since 9/11. You'll find nothing positive. You didn't bring democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq. You didn't keep the world safe from Islamic terrorism. Many of the freedoms west has enjoyed has been quashed by paranoid governments put into place by paranoid voters. And you (you personally) want to keep doing the same, expensive, pointless shit for what reason? It's not working out for anyone.

 

[woolfe9999]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57323832/who-won-the-gop-debate-take-our-poll/


hurry up and view it before it gets taken down. its RON PAUL. YAY! let's see the media pick up on that.

Question: why are polls conducted by MSM valid when they indicate that people felt your candidate won a debate, but invalid when they show him in 4th or 5th place in overall favorables?

Anyway, LOL at online polls being passed off as scientific. Even the link itself says it is unscientific.

 

[Lemon law]

It never seems to occur to MacLoed1592, that the best way to avoid Muslim terrorists
that Mac Loed does not like is to stay the hell away from their turf.

After all, its we in Nato that are in Afghanistan and Iraq in huge numbers and not the other way around. And quite frankly, given much of Nato behavior, its the USA that is seen in their eyes as the primitive barbarian devoid of morals.

 

[Craig234]

Who won the Republican debate?

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[MacLeod1592]

So we have the minotaur dilemma is what you are saying.

If we don't provide them an offering - in USA's case it is soldiers - for them to kill, they will come on our land and kill (see 9/11). So the price we pay for national security is the sacrifice of innocent servicemen and women to satiate the irrational, religious zealots (minotaur).

No. We have a case where terrorists attacked us and killed 3000 citizens so we send our soldiers over there to kill them and take out the governments that are supporting them.

Unfortunately it didn't turn out that way. It started out great then they started trying to wage war without offending anybody. Now you've got soldiers having to read Miranda rights to terrorists that are shooting at them, soldiers being tried because some insurgent was punched in the mouth while they were trying to arrest him and so on. And you had the Democrat party actively campaigning against the war and scum like Harry Reid saying on the floor of he Senate that "this was is lost". In the end we're still better off. The Taliban aren't in power and unable to fully support terrorism. Bin Laden is dead and Saddam is dead and his regime toppled. The terrorist support structure has been drastically reduced to a fraction of what it was.

It never seems to occur to MacLoed1592, that the best way to avoid Muslim terrorists
that Mac Loed does not like is to stay the hell away from their turf.

After all, its we in Nato that are in Afghanistan and Iraq in huge numbers and not the other way around. And quite frankly, given much of Nato behavior, its the USA that is seen in their eyes as the primitive barbarian devoid of morals.

You're right, it never occurred to me. No matter if we have bases in the middle east, that is not even close to being justification for 9/11.

 

[PingviN]

No. We have a case where terrorists attacked us and killed 3000 citizens so we send our soldiers over there to kill them and take out the governments that are supporting them.

Over 100.000 dead Afghan and Iraqi civilians and counting. That's children losing their parents and parents losing their children. People who didn't ask for the war, didn't participate in the 9/11 attack and definitely didn't vote for their government. Same type of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. Only 30x more.

Put the numbers into perspective.

 

[SandEagle]

lol. looks like they pulled the story already. just as i had predicted. luckily the image is hosted elsewhere

 

[fskimospy]

lol. looks like they pulled the story already. just as i had predicted. luckily the image is hosted elsewhere

Ron Paul has been winning unscientific online polls for years. In actual scientific polls that have these crazy things known as statistical validity, credibility, and accountability however, he tends to have a tough time of things.

 

[MacLeod1592]

Over 100.000 dead Afghan and Iraqi civilians and counting. That's children losing their parents and parents losing their children. People who didn't ask for the war, didn't participate in the 9/11 attack and definitely didn't vote for their government. Same type of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. Only 30x more.

Put the numbers into perspective.

Yep, war is hell. Difference is, we were attacked. If we just did nothing and took your mindset of "we had it coming", the Taliban would still be in power and funding terrorists, Bin Laden would still be alive and so would Saddam along with his regime and we would've been hit a couple more times by now and probably by something a lot more devastating than a plane or suicide bomb. But its OK because we have it coming.

 

[momeNt]

Yep, war is hell. Difference is, we were attacked. If we just did nothing and took your mindset of "we had it coming", the Taliban would still be in power and funding terrorists, Bin Laden would still be alive and so would Saddam along with his regime and we would've been hit a couple more times by now and probably by something a lot more devastating than a plane or suicide bomb. But its OK because we have it coming.

Do you think then that Bin Laden would have still developed a hatred of the USA had troops not been in Saudi Arabia before his exile?

Was the chicken Muslim extremism or was it USA intervention in the middle east?

 

[MacLeod1592]

Do you think then that Bin Laden would have still developed a hatred of the USA had troops not been in Saudi Arabia before his exile?

Was the chicken Muslim extremism or was it USA intervention in the middle east?

I couldn't care less! So what if there were troops I'm Saudi Arabia? That somehow justifies to you the murder of 3000 innocent civilians?

That's like saying that while walking home from the store I walked thru your yard so you felt justified in taking a chainsaw and cutting my legs off.

 

[PingviN]

Yep, war is hell. Difference is, we were attacked.

The 9/11 attack wasn't performed by Saddam Hussein or even the Taliban regime. The attacks were planned and performed by Al-Qaida. You _attacked_ Afghanistan and then _attacked_ Iraq. The result of this is that >100.000 civilians are dead. You weren't attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq, but you attacked them.

If we just did nothing and took your mindset of "we had it coming", the Taliban would still be in power and funding terrorists, Bin Laden would still be alive and so would Saddam along with his regime and we would've been hit a couple more times by now and probably by something a lot more devastating than a plane or suicide bomb. But its OK because we have it coming.

You honestly, truly, believe that the invasion - in hindsight - was the best response to the terrorist attacks? If you do, then you've learned nothing over the last decade and that's a shame. The economy is tanked, the respect for America is failing, the wars are lost and the world isn't a better place today than it was 11 years ago. American foreign policy has caused a lot of suffering on all sides, Ron Paul might actually be the only one willing to discuss a more pragmatic approach.

Oppressing the Middle East isn't helping your cause. Democracy can't be forced at gunpoint by outsiders. Killing civilians doesn't help either.

I don't support terrorism - your's or Islamic - but it's time to take a step back and use brain instead of muscle. How many times are you going to bang your head against the brick wall before you get that it isn't going to move?

 

[momeNt]

I couldn't care less! So what if there were troops I'm Saudi Arabia? That somehow justifies to you the murder of 3000 innocent civilians?

That's like saying that while walking home from the store I walked thru your yard so you felt justified in taking a chainsaw and cutting my legs off.

Religion can be irrational at times, we knew who Osama bin Laden was before we accepted Saudi Arabia's invitation onto their soil. We presumably were intelligent enough to know how this man felt about our occupation in that country, yet we still decided to go to the land of mecca and medina.

Now if I was some religious zealot with an army of mujahadeen at my disposal and my backyard was my holy land, would you still walk through it?

 

[MacLeod1592]

So am I like the only right wing dude on this forum? I feel so alone right now.