Who Won the Debate?

[buckshot24]

As compared to Ryan, yes, yes he was.

oh yeah? Well you're a poopy head

 

[dmcowen674]

It turns out Romney and Ryan actually AREN'T his friends.

I thought that was annoying as hell.

Have no idea why Biden thought it would be a good idea to keep calling Ryan a friend.

 

[monovillage]

Does Fox have a poll? Usually when the result is lopsided in favor of their enemy, they don't bother making a poll.

CNN has a poll, they say that Ryan won 48% vs. Biden 44% and call it a draw and it isn't a Fox poll.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/

Forty-eight percent of voters who watched the vice presidential debate think that Rep. Paul Ryan won the showdown, according to a CNN/ORC International nationwide poll conducted right after Thursday night's faceoff. Forty-four percent say that Vice President Joe Biden was victorious. The Republican running mate's four point advantage among a debate audience that was more Republican than the country as a whole is within the survey's sampling error.


Half of all debate watchers questioned in the poll said the showdown didn't make them more likely to vote for either of the candidates' bosses, 28% said the debate made them more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and 21% said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect President Barack Obama.

According to the survey, 55% said that the vice president did better than expected, with 51% saying that the congressman from Wisconsin performed better than expected.

By a 50%-41% margin, debate watchers say that Ryan rather than Biden better expressed himself.

Seven in ten said Biden was seen as spending more time attacking his opponent, and that may be a contributing factor in Ryan's 53%-43% advantage on being more likable. Ryan also had a slight advantage on being more in touch with the problems of average Americans.

One of the top jobs for the candidates in a vice presidential debate is to convince Americans that they would be able to step into the top job if something happened to the president. The poll indicates that both men were seen as qualified to be president if necessary, by roughly equal numbers.

 

[Steeplerot]

I really don't like seeing politicians being dicks.

If someone is outright lying then call them on it. Can't handle the heat..stay out of the kitchen. Ryan is a victim of the conservative media cult world. The guy is VERY out of place in reality. And he got spanked.

It is very sad to see fellow Americans so out of touch.

But hey, feel like he was victimized all you want. He is your boy and all.

 

[buckshot24]

If someone is outright lying then call them on it. Can't handle the heat..stay out of the kitchen. Ryan is a victim of the conservative media cult world. The guy is VERY out of place in reality. And he got spanked.

It is very sad to see fellow Americans so out of touch.

But hey, feel like he was victimized all you want. He is your boy and all.

Ok, so when Obama starts talking about 5 trillion tax cuts for the rich Romney can just stop him right there and just talk over everybody and you won't have a problem with it? Obama lies through his perfect teeth every time he opens his mouth.

 

[monovillage]

If someone is outright lying then call them on it. Can't handle the heat..stay out of the kitchen. Ryan is a victim of the conservative media cult world. The guy is VERY out of place in reality. And he got spanked.

It is very sad to see fellow Americans so out of touch.

But hey, feel like he was victimized all you want. He is your boy and all.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html

I'm afraid you watched the debate through pinko tinted glasses, who else agrees that Biden spanked Ryan through the whole debate?

 

[ivwshane]

Ok, so when Obama starts talking about 5 trillion tax cuts for the rich Romney can just stop him right there and just talk over everybody and you won't have a problem with it? Obama lies through his perfect teeth every time he opens his mouth.

He definitely can and at which point Obama will concede his time so romney can thoroughly detail his tax plan.

It's funny how Ryan has said the tax plan is revenue neutral and yet if it's revenue neutral and military spending will be increased and Medicare and social security won't be cut, then how does he plan on paying down the debt? He doesnt plan to otherwise what does that leave on the table to be cut? Oh just the programs some of the poor and middle class rely on.

Their for 100% of America! Yeah right, only if you are a dumbass named buckshot, juror no 8, or nemesis.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ryan was an easy winner , I feel biden on the abortion issue . really blew it . He said he agreed with ryans view that life begins at conception . But he would back abortion, Thats like making a purse out of a pigs ear. Let me define it for ha . He believes the child is alive but is willing murder it for the people big man big man.
I will exchange my life for any unborn thasts to be aborted. I not productive anymore and in alot of pain all the time . Please take my life let the innocent child breath air. Go to the old folks home give them a choice . Gooberment tho has to give 5 years of my SS checks to the child to raise it threw those years , Many people would take these children in . We would . Just get rid of the red frewaken tape it shoulldn't cost one dime to get these children .

 

[ivwshane]

Ryan was an easy winner , I feel biden on the abortion issue . really blew it . He said he agreed with ryans view that life begins at conception . But he would back abortion, Thats like making a purse out of a pigs ear. Let me define it for ha . He believes the child is alive but is willing murder it for the people big man big man.
I will exchange my life for any unborn thasts to be aborted. I not productive anymore and in alot of pain all the time . Please take my life let the innocent child breath air. Go to the old folks home give them a choice . Gooberment tho has to give 5 years of my SS checks to the child to raise it threw those years , Many people would take these children in . We would . Just get rid of the red frewaken tape it shoulldn't cost one dime to get these children .

No you fucking idiot, it means he isn't going to force his beliefs on other people. If you don't like abortion don't do it but don't take away someone's right to do it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

He definitely can and at which point Obama will concede his time so romney can thoroughly detail his tax plan.

It's funny how Ryan has said the tax plan is revenue neutral and yet if it's revenue neutral and military spending will be increased and Medicare and social security won't be cut, what does that leave us? Of just the programs some of the poor and middle class rely on.

Their for 100% of America! Yeah right, only if you are a dumbass name is buckshot, juror no 8, or nemesis.

NO no . I want to here obummers plan first he has been in office for 4 years . A change you can count on in 2008 won't work this round , Everyone want to here Romneys plan when Obummer has never given one ever befor the election. Link if I am wrong. Why don't you want to here obummers plan I heard the speeech but nothing was in it , NOTHING
You see you have showed that your nothing your zero man. next debate give each man 30 min to tell us their plan with details . Obummer first sense he has never had a plan

 

[Nemesis 1]

oh yeah? Well you're a poopy head

When my youngest male grandchild doesn't get his way with me . He says poopy grandpa . That was funny in these threads

 

[Nemesis 1]

No you fucking idiot, it means he isn't going to force his beliefs on other people. If you don't like abortion don't do it but don't take away someone's right to do it.

He can't help make the law without taking responsibility for his action based on HIS belief NOT other beliefs .Its taken responsibility for YOUR actions. You blithering fucken netwit

 

[ivwshane]

NO no . I want to here obummers plan first he has been in office for 4 years . A change you can count on in 2008 won't work this round , Everyone want to here Romneys plan when Obummer has never given one ever befor the election. Link if I am wrong. Why don't you want to here obummers plan I heard the speeech but nothing was in it , NOTHING
You see you have showed that your nothing your zero man. next debate give each man 30 min to tell us their plan with details . Obummer first sense he has never had a plan

Im fine with Obama continuing his existing policies, I know where he stands. I don't know where Romney stands.

Nice red herring by the way.

 

[ivwshane]

He can't help make the law without taking responsibility for his action based on HIS belief NOT other beliefs .Its taken responsibility for YOUR actions. You blithering fucken netwit

Speaking of blithering! What the fuck are you rambling about old man?

 

[buckshot24]

It's funny how Ryan has said the tax plan is revenue neutral and yet if it's revenue neutral and military spending will be increased and Medicare and social security won't be cut, what does that leave us? Of just the programs some of the poor and middle class rely on.

Their for 100% of America! Yeah right, only if you are a dumbass name is buckshot, juror no 8, or nemesis.

Hint: when you are going to call somebody dumb don't screw up the grammar around the insult.

I know you don't understand basic economic principles such as supply and demand but when an economy grows you get more tax revenue. The Romney plan assumes economic growth. You democrat parrots don't think the pie gets larger therefore any tax cut is a loss in revenue.

Besides, there's a good chance that I paid more in taxes than you made, genius. Don't lecture me about taxes. How many jobs have you created? You might want to run upstairs and stop the leaky faucet and put the cap on the orange juice, you know how much mom hates that.

Also, and I can't believe you haven't caught this (well actually I can)..., a tax plan can be revenue nuetral AND you can spend $60 trillion dollars at the same time. The taxes THEMSELVES are revenue nuetral, understand Einstein?

I do understand your confusion however. If you can't understand that when you make something more expensive less people will pay for it then there is no hope. When you raise taxes it makes things more expensive therefore less people will buy these things. When you make it more expensive to hire a worker there will be less workers being hired. When you make it less profitable to sell an asset, less people will sell them. All of these burdens hinder economic activity not promote it.

Not only do you think raising taxes won't harm economic growth/activity you think it can't, which is absolutely absurd.

You raise the cap gains tax rate and people will be more inclined to avoid transactions where they have to pay this rate. You've said that people are already avoiding taxes, so what is your solution? To give them more reasons to avoid taxes by raising them!

We have a shit stain for an economy and what does Obama want to do? Raise taxes, he is either a retard or he doesn't want real job creation.

 

[monovillage]

Frankly the idea that Biden is just one step from the Presidency scares me more that Iran getting a nuke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCtemaHgjyA

 

[DominionSeraph]

My dad and I were arguing to this point over the phone. I said that Biden was doing fine in the debate and didn't need the condescension and interrupting to get his point across.

My dad felt that Biden needed to just call Ryan on his bullshit, so interrupting was necessary. I personally think it just weakens you to interrupt so much and grin like a fool.

Democrats already own 100% of the intellectual vote, so Biden would gain nothing by framing his responses to talk only to us.

 

[sportage]

If this were you joe Biden, and then some guy ryan standing next to you lying, what face would you, as joe Biden, make?
Look down? Frown? Cry? Laugh?
Funny... Biden made faces cause Ryan was once again telling fibs.
Ryan made no faces, just maybe because he had no reason to.
Ryan knew joe Biden was telling fact.

So who won?
One guy spending their life fighting for middle class and defending that.
Another guy spent his life working with think tanks to dismantle social security.
Working with think tanks to dismantle Medicare.
Two major republican issues of hate.
And now you have this second guy pretending that never so?
Please........

What face would you, guy number one, make?
Because no doubt everyone here could not just stand there, listening to this guy and watching the shit getting higher and higher with every word out of his mouth.
It's perfectly human natural to smirk.
You'd do it too.
You couldn't help it either.

In the real world, actually you'd just call the other guy a f@@king liar.
So me, as Joe Biden, I will say it.
Paul Ryan, you are a f@@king liar.
There... You've now heard it straight.
Now go to bed....

 

[Schmide]

Frankly the idea that Biden is just one step from the Presidency scares me more that Iran getting a nuke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCtemaHgjyA

Nice edit. It would mean more if the guys changed at the same time. BUT NO?

Thus take everything out of context.

 

[ivwshane]

Hint: when you are going to call somebody dumb don't screw up the grammar around the insult.

I know you don't understand basic economic principles such as supply and demand but when an economy grows you get more tax revenue. The Romney plan assumes economic growth. You democrat parrots don't think the pie gets larger therefore any tax cut is a loss in revenue.

Besides, there's a good chance that I paid more in taxes than you made, genius. Don't lecture me about taxes. How many jobs have you created? You might want to run upstairs and stop the leaky faucet and put the cap on the orange juice, you know how much mom hates that.

Also, and I can't believe you haven't caught this (well actually I can)..., a tax plan can be revenue nuetral AND you can spend $60 trillion dollars at the same time. The taxes THEMSELVES are revenue nuetral, understand Einstein?

I do understand your confusion however. If you can't understand that when you make something more expensive less people will pay for it then there is no hope. When you raise taxes it makes things more expensive therefore less people will buy these things. When you make it more expensive to hire a worker there will be less workers being hired. When you make it less profitable to sell an asset, less people will sell them. All of these burdens hinder economic activity not promote it.

Not only do you think raising taxes won't harm economic growth/activity you think it can't, which is absolutely absurd.

You raise the cap gains tax rate and people will be more inclined to avoid transactions where they have to pay this rate. You've said that people are already avoiding taxes, so what is your solution? To give them more reasons to avoid taxes by raising them!

We have a shit stain for an economy and what does Obama want to do? Raise taxes, he is either a retard or he doesn't want real job creation.

Yes and the economy will magically fix itself and grow faster than it traditionally has! Exactly how that will happen mitt doesn't say but you sure as shit eat it up and require no explanation because you believe in magic!

As usual your post is full of shit and offers nothing but empty rhetoric. I thought you were blocking me by the way?
No? Can't even stand by your own convictions?

 

[Agent11]

Ah abortion. You now 85% of the country is about ready for this issue to gtfo.

You don't like abortion then don't have one ffs.

*And Biden clearly won.

 

[monovillage]

Nice edit. It would mean more if the guys changed at the same time. BUT NO?

Thus take everything out of context.

As far as I know it is, maybe you can prove it otherwise?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Democrats already own 100% of the intellectual vote, so Biden would gain nothing by framing his responses to talk only to us.

Ya right . you think highly of your self . Your so low you need a ladder to scratch a snakes belly

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Biden made Ryan look like a school boy.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ah abortion. You now 85% of the country is about ready for this issue to gtfo.

You don't like abortion then don't have one ffs.

*And Biden clearly won.

Bidden didn't win shit . A poll in a demon forum means nothing . Obummer took such a beating by romney . That this is like Ananda doing an Amd review and saying things that just aren't true so as to prop AMD up a bit . Thats exactly whats going on here Obummer got beat to death looked semi retarded and just plain failed .Biden is getting pitty support because of Obummers ass kicking . You can have the pitty vote