Who won the debate?? Simple poll

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
DU trumps any radical Republican board. They blow Chavez like his cack is the cure to cancer and they have a malignant brain tumor.

pfft... much as I can't stand Chavez, that's penny ante grade school stuff for the extremists on either side. Let's just say that if DU is the worst you've seen politically on the internet, then you've lived a sheltered life. Plus, I worked hard in chasing that pro-Chavez crap out of this place.

 

[jpeyton]

MediaCurves just put out their after-debate polling results.

Cliffs: McCain is f****d. Obama brought home the Democrats, McCain brought home the Republicans, but Obama consistently (and sometimes handily) thrashed McCain with Independents.

Overall, Independents went 60/40 for Obama on who they thought won the debate.

 

[daniel49]

I have it as a tie on economic.
McCain on foriegn policy...he made Sen Obama look like a boyscout.
I liked the fact that they were talking a little more directly to each other then just the moderator.

Also I liked that they were both civil to each other. That is to both of thier credit.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Fox News poll indicates 85% of respondents thinks McCain won.

All other news networks gives the nod to Obama by a comfortable margin.

Fair and balanced......*snicker*

Obviously McCain supporters are more likely to watch Fox News, while Obama supporters watch other new stations. *snicker* :roll:

lol irony FTLaugh @ tweaker2

 

[Coldkilla]

Surprising that Obama is now up to McCain in terms of the Foreign Policy issues according to the new polls.

Now if thats not a slap in the face...

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Obama did enough. He could have done better, but he did enough. He appeared Presidential, and to those who had doubts about his grasp of foreign policy issues, those doubts should be laid to rest. He did not need to overwhelm them either. Obama will do better in his next debates.

McCain looked angry and I believe his condescending treatment of Obama will backfire. I give Obama the edge because of his demeanor and knowledge. McCain came across as mean-spirited and contemptuous. Several times he looked as if he was going to explode. The squirrelly darting eye movements, the mile-a-minute blinking, the bizarre, inappropriate grimaces - The guy looked a little whacked out.

Let's be real, a certain percentage of voters in this country love a-holes. They respond to Alpha Males. If you grunt out in tough guy speak "I'll bomb Iran Grrrrr!" - then there will be about 25 percent of voters who will swoon. They have no idea what a steel tariff is, how it works or what McCain's position on it is - and they don't care! So long as McCain grunts out his tough guy speak and postures like an Alpha Male (like Bush has mastered) they will vote for him. There are about 25 percent of voters who should be written off as unreachable. It's the same percentage that still thinks Bush is doing a great job.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
There are about 25 percent of voters who should be written off as unreachable. It's the same percentage that still thinks Bush is doing a great job.

Whats the percentage of people voting for Obama because of the color of his skin?

 

[Pliablemoose]

WTF?, I don't recall a P&N R VS D poll ever coming this close.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
There are about 25 percent of voters who should be written off as unreachable. It's the same percentage that still thinks Bush is doing a great job.

Whats the percentage of people voting for Obama because of the color of his skin?

110%. (Some vote twice).

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
WTF?, I don't recall a P&N R VS D poll ever coming this close.

It's closer than the poll on CNN.


Edit: I just checked the informal poll they had on the Fox News site and they even have Obama winning by 8% as of 7:20 est. Bizarre, I thought it was a wash myself.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Edit: I just checked the informal poll they had on the Fox News site and they even have Obama winning by 8% as of 7:20 est. Bizarre, I thought it was a wash myself.

That's because Obamatons skew younger and are more likely to spam internet polls.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Edit: I just checked the informal poll they had on the Fox News site and they even have Obama winning by 8% as of 7:20 est. Bizarre, I thought it was a wash myself.

That's because Obamatons skew younger and are more likely to spam internet polls.

Obamaton? How cute, a kiddie Transformer fan has coined a new term for Obama supporters.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Fox News poll indicates 85% of respondents thinks McCain won.

All other news networks gives the nod to Obama by a comfortable margin.

Fair and balanced......*snicker*

Obviously McCain supporters are more likely to watch Fox News, while Obama supporters watch other new stations. *snicker* :roll:

Thank you for reinforcing my point. *snicker*

 

[Juddog]

TPM indicates that Obama got the upper hand in the debate for independents.

 

[Juddog]

Alot of questions were answered tonight, but a lot of new ones surfaced.

1. Obama came across as being ready to be President, he showed alot of composure.

2. McCains foreign policy experience is vast, and impressive.

3. Neither candidate really wanted to comit to much in the Economic debate. Although McCain said he would vote for a bail out.

4. Obama destroyed McCain on body language. His posture was Presidential, and always tried to make eye contact with McCain. McCain on the other hand was looking all over the place except at Obama.

5. This was the debate made for McCain and he didn't score a home run.. far from it. When the talk turned to Foreign Policy, Obama held his own and threw some pretty heavy jabs. McCain did however surprise me, and held his own in the economic debate, which I thought would hurt Obama because he let McCain deviate the conversation from the bigger issue, towards earmarks ect which is McCains strenght.


Basically all network polls have Obama winning the debate, with Fox saying it was a tie. This is bad news for McCain Campaign.


One last note, if anyone thinks we are going to have a VP debate this thursday they are soarly mistaken, I just don't see anyway that the McCain campaign can put Palin on a 90 minute debate.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
There are about 25 percent of voters who should be written off as unreachable. It's the same percentage that still thinks Bush is doing a great job.

Whats the percentage of people voting for Obama because of the color of his skin?

Far less than those voting McCain because of the color of Obama's skin.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
There are about 25 percent of voters who should be written off as unreachable. It's the same percentage that still thinks Bush is doing a great job.

Whats the percentage of people voting for Obama because of the color of his skin?

Far less than those voting McCain because of the color of Obama's skin.

Or the shape of it... ugh. Watching the debate in HD where they showed McCain up close really showed his age.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: loki8481
my candidate won and the other guy tanked it.

Actually, in all seriousness I thought they both did okay. If you compare this debate to Bush v. Gore or Bush v. Kerry, I think it's striking how much more composed, thoughtful, and, well, smart these guys are. Both of them. I'm still voting for Obama, but I feel a little more encouraged that if McCain does win, it won't be the unmitigated disaster that the last 8 years have been.

That might help McCain.

IF he can convince enough people that Obama is too much of a risk.

People might look at Obama and say "I like what he says, but I don't trust him enough or have enough confidence in him" at which point that can look at McCain and feel that he will do a good job and vote for him.

I dont think he did that. IF anything, this tied debate showed Obama can hold his own and does understand foriegn policy. In fact, if you looked at the independants and undecided reactions, they are very much in favor of what Obama was saying and negative on McCain.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...debate.poll/index.html

Polls give it to Obama... As do most reporters.

Overall - 51 to 38


and being ahead, he didnt need it. McCain needed something of a big win, and didnt even get a little one.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: loki8481
my candidate won and the other guy tanked it.

Actually, in all seriousness I thought they both did okay. If you compare this debate to Bush v. Gore or Bush v. Kerry, I think it's striking how much more composed, thoughtful, and, well, smart these guys are. Both of them. I'm still voting for Obama, but I feel a little more encouraged that if McCain does win, it won't be the unmitigated disaster that the last 8 years have been.

Agreed. They both came off pretty well, but I felt Obama was more composed.

But after the Bush Kerry debates, anything starts to look good. That was like watching a confused caveman argue with your rambling senile grandfather.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Superrock
I felt like McCain treated the debates like a contest or fight while Obama treated it like a discussion of differing viewpoints. I also felt like McCain felt threatened and angry at the "young upstart" while Obama tried to play the pacifier by commending what he felt like were points that he agreed with McCain on.

I don't like how a lot of commentators are giving McCain points for being more contentious and aggressive than Obama because in my book, you don't get points for making the other guy look bad in real life. You get points for being thoughtful and achieving what you plan to accomplish. The format of the debates isn't useful in my opinion because it's set up so the candidates can rehash old ideas.

Well, in the political world and in an election, you sure as hell do get points for making the other guy look bad.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: QED
I think McCain punked Obama on the foreign policy portion, but overall the debate was a win for Obama. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies and stances, Obama came across as a more-than-competent thinker, in an area that was supposed to be (and still is) John McCain's field of expertise.

I think anyone before hand who perhaps had thoughts that Obama was an empty suit who is completely lost without his teleprompter has found out otherwise-- and in that, Obama might have sealed the deal with those undecided hesitant voters.

I watched the debate twice last night and watched a lot of commentary. Your point was confirmed last night by polls. In every poll last night of independant voters, regardless of who conducted it, Obama consistently got the nod over McCain by roughly a 60-40 edge. I watched several news outlets last night and it was consistent over all of them.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating IMO.

I watched the debate and thought it extremely disrespectful that McCain wouldn't look at Obama directly. Obama directly addressed McCain throughout the debate but McCain rarely even glanced at Obama the entire time. Extremely disrespectful IMO.

I thought Obama's comments and opinions were well thought out, he was articulate, engaging and came off as someone who has a plan and is an intelligent person who can think on his feet.

McCain stuck to his bullet points and didn't come off as having much to say other than to attack Obama.

Obama 1
McCain 0

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Foreign policy? McCain? In the first half of the debate he says US has to win Pakistani cooperation, in the second half he goes apeshit and starts "preconditions" shit. That was so senile. Just because you sit down with someone to talk, doesn't mean you validate their position as McCain desperately tried to convince everyone. That was just plain fucking stupid.

So I take it then that you disagree with Henry Kissinger?

I think he was talking about the leap McCain kept making from having "talks" with Iran. McCain kept making a logic leap to make it sound like Obama is pushing face to face talks between the US prez to Ahemenijad (dang that is tough to pronounce). No-one said that other than McCain. Either McCain is senile, or trying to mislead people.

 

[SigArms08a]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Edit: I just checked the informal poll they had on the Fox News site and they even have Obama winning by 8% as of 7:20 est. Bizarre, I thought it was a wash myself.

That's because Obamatons skew younger and are more likely to spam internet polls.

Obamaton? How cute, a kiddie Transformer fan has coined a new term for Obama supporters.

This coming from a 'grown-up' man with over 45,000 posts in these forums alone!! LMAO


Regarding Obama and his vast experience - We should start taking a look at military members with 3 years of experience and consider promoting them to the rank of General. Such a thing would be absurd in the military, it would be ridiculous in a business environment, and it would be laughable in our educational system. But somehow, a similar situation is permissible in this election.

 

[BeauJangles]

I thought McCain looked like a fool most of the time. His foreign policy talk consisted mostly of flashbacks to him and Kissinger hanging out. In fact, most of his points either completely sidestepped an issue or were trips down memory lane. I think Obama held a lot of punches during this debate, but we'll see them fly in the near future.