Who won the debate?? Simple poll

[fleshconsumed]

Foreign policy? McCain? In the first half of the debate he says US has to win Pakistani cooperation, in the second half he goes apeshit and starts "preconditions" shit. That was so senile. Just because you sit down with someone to talk, doesn't mean you validate their position as McCain desperately tried to convince everyone. That was just plain fucking stupid.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: QED
I think McCain punked Obama on the foreign policy portion, but overall the debate was a win for Obama. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies and stances, Obama came across as a more-than-competent thinker, in an area that was supposed to be (and still is) John McCain's field of expertise.

I think anyone before hand who perhaps had thoughts that Obama was an empty suit who is completely lost without his teleprompter has found out otherwise-- and in that, Obama might have sealed the deal with those undecided hesitant voters.

I wouldn't say either candidate "punked" one another at any point in this debate.

The thing people often misunderstand about debates is that neither candidate is looking to actually "win" the debate. They are looking to shore up issues where they feel voters are insecure about them.

 

[jpeyton]

I think we know who she thought won the debate.

 

[trenchfoot]

Fox News poll indicates 85% of respondents thinks McCain won.

All other news networks gives the nod to Obama by a comfortable margin.

Fair and balanced......*snicker*

 

[Superrock]

I felt like McCain treated the debates like a contest or fight while Obama treated it like a discussion of differing viewpoints. I also felt like McCain felt threatened and angry at the "young upstart" while Obama tried to play the pacifier by commending what he felt like were points that he agreed with McCain on.

I don't like how a lot of commentators are giving McCain points for being more contentious and aggressive than Obama because in my book, you don't get points for making the other guy look bad in real life. You get points for being thoughtful and achieving what you plan to accomplish. The format of the debates isn't useful in my opinion because it's set up so the candidates can rehash old ideas.

 

[Drift3r]

I think it was a narrow win for Obama. McCain got points when stating his long time foreign policy experience and being aggressive but his points were often bullheaded. On more then a few occasions he made leaps in logic when attempting to directly quote Obama during the debate. In fact when talking about Iran McCain just flat out put words in Obama's mouth when the topic about having a dialogue with Iran was brought up. Obama didn't stick McCain hard enough on his past views and statements which mirrored the Bush administration on many occasions when he could of reiterated the point. He also should of hit harder when it came to clearing up McCain's mischaracterizations of his statements. In the end the debate was rather meh...but McCain's view on Russia is way to scary and aggressive for my taste. Over all Obama's points were made clearly and he showed that he could hang with McCain in what was supposed to be McCain's strongest area of experience.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Fox News poll indicates 85% of respondents thinks McCain won.

All other news networks gives the nod to Obama by a comfortable margin.

Fair and balanced......*snicker*

Obviously McCain supporters are more likely to watch Fox News, while Obama supporters watch other new stations. *snicker* :roll:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Fox News poll indicates 85% of respondents thinks McCain won.

All other news networks gives the nod to Obama by a comfortable margin.

Fair and balanced......*snicker*

Obviously McCain supporters are more likely to watch Fox News, while Obama supporters watch other new stations. *snicker* :roll:

What station were independents watching?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Foreign policy? McCain? In the first half of the debate he says US has to win Pakistani cooperation, in the second half he goes apeshit and starts "preconditions" shit. That was so senile. Just because you sit down with someone to talk, doesn't mean you validate their position as McCain desperately tried to convince everyone. That was just plain fucking stupid.

So I take it then that you disagree with Henry Kissinger?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: loki8481
my candidate won and the other guy tanked it.

Except that in my case I thought McSame won. Obama appealed to reason and intelligence, of which there is little to be had in the viewing public, and McAmericanHero appealed go the lowest of primitive emotions. I think McSame would have impressed more people. The Republicans are primitives and of course they always have the easier sale.

 

[miketheidiot]

i think obama dominated to a degree, but consensus among my group was that it was a narrow obama win, and most of the people i was watching with were moderates to conservative. Mccain lost the election tonight.

 

[OCGuy]

The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

actually obama has barely been winning the votes here lately, net exactly the 3 to 1 slides that you would expect.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

 

[Ferocious]

Effectively a tie.

Most debates have no effect on any eventual outcome.

The only danger is totally blowing one or coming across really badly like Nixon did vs. Kennedy.

Yawn.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

 

[jpeyton]

If you voted tie, you essentially voted Obama. McCain needed an outright win to even make a dent in the hole he dug over the last two weeks. He's f****d proper.

 

[aphex]

I voted Tie as well.

McCain felt crotchety and old.
Obama felt defensive.

Toss up in my book.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

I'm a 37 year-old business professional.

The young idealistic college students don't post in P&N for the most part.

And no, favoring McCain is fine here as far I'm concerned. I would welcome the opportunity for a genuine and truthful debate on the issues. I only flame the endlessly ridiculous and reaching anti-Obama troll threads, like like this one this morning.
Or if that's your opinion of merely 'favoring JM,' then thanks for proving my point.

You poor poor oppressed 'conservative'... play that victim card.

Oh... and freep is an internet board BTW.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

I'm a 37 year-old business professional.

The young idealistic college students don't post in P&N for the most part.

And no, favoring McCain is fine here as far I'm concerned. I would welcome the opportunity for a genuine and truthful debate on the issues. I only flame the endlessly ridiculous and reaching anti-Obama troll threads, like like this one this morning.
Or if that's your opinion of merely 'favoring JM,' then thanks for proving my point.

You poor poor oppressed 'conservative'... play that victim card.

Oh... and freep is an internet board BTW.

As opposed to the 500 "YAPT: Palin Screwed A Moose On Her Prom Night!" threads?

 

[Insomniator]

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

this

 

[Coldkilla]

CNN Poll taken after the debate:
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...?eref=politicalflipper

Men:
McCain:46%
Obama: 43%

Women:
McCain: 31%
Obama 59%

How much have the candidates exceeded their expectations?
McCain: 31%
Obama: 57&

Who thought they both underpreformed:
20% of Americans

National Security:
McCain: 49%
Obama: 45%

Economy:
McCain: 37%
Obama: 58%

4.5% margin of error. McCain did not pass Obama on anything.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

I'm a 37 year-old business professional.

The young idealistic college students don't post in P&N for the most part.

And no, favoring McCain is fine here as far I'm concerned. I would welcome the opportunity for a genuine and truthful debate on the issues. I only flame the endlessly ridiculous and reaching anti-Obama troll threads, like like this one this morning.
Or if that's your opinion of merely 'favoring JM,' then thanks for proving my point.

You poor poor oppressed 'conservative'... play that victim card.

Oh... and freep is an internet board BTW.

As opposed to the 500 "YAPT: Palin Screwed A Moose On Her Prom Night!" threads?

Ah yes, the McCainbot's favorite duh-version, bring up his obviously unqualified VP pick.

Keep playing that victim card... oh you poor oppressed ideologue... there oughta be a law.. :roll:

Originally posted by: Insomniator

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

this

Freep is an internet message board FFS. There are thousands of right leaning internet boards. Some of them quite radical in fact. Explain that.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The fact that this many people voted JM.....in an Obama dominated environment, is telling.

Freep is an 'Obama dominated environment' according to modern 'conservatives.'

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

I'm a 37 year-old business professional.

The young idealistic college students don't post in P&N for the most part.

And no, favoring McCain is fine here as far I'm concerned. I would welcome the opportunity for a genuine and truthful debate on the issues. I only flame the endlessly ridiculous and reaching anti-Obama troll threads, like like this one this morning.
Or if that's your opinion of merely 'favoring JM,' then thanks for proving my point.

You poor poor oppressed 'conservative'... play that victim card.

Oh... and freep is an internet board BTW.

As opposed to the 500 "YAPT: Palin Screwed A Moose On Her Prom Night!" threads?

Ah yes, the McCainbot's favorite duh-version, bring up his obviously unqualified VP pick.

Keep playing that victim card... oh you poor oppressed ideologue... there oughta be a law.. :roll:

Originally posted by: Insomniator

Oh come on. Anywhere there are young idealistic college students (internet boards), there is a major left slant. Professors are very influential. Most people here get flamed for saying anything favoring JM.

this

Freep is an internet message board FFS. There are thousands of right leaning internet boards. Some of them quite radical in fact. Explain that.

DU trumps any radical Republican board. They blow Chavez like his cack is the cure to cancer and they have a malignant brain tumor.

 

[Coldkilla]

Well according to the latest poll by CNN... Obama is still taking it to McCain (last post).