who should we not allow to buy guns

[Paladin3]

I just think it's funny that those same people that are so quick to to paint every Muslim as a terrorist get butt hurt when they paint every gun owner in a negative light. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, not every gun owner is a murderer, but if you're gonna paint broad strokes, they can do that against you too.

I'm all for treating every individual with kindness and respect right up until they prove they don't want to play nice with society. Muslims are the same as everyone else in this world. Unfortunately, a very small number have perverted their religion and used it as an excuse to do evil, just like some have done with Christianity.

When a person does "go bad" it is in society's best interest to help that person stop the bad behavior and become a productive member of society again if at all possible. We also need to be more compassionate and educate the next generation to be better than the last.

I would accept a America with zero guns, if it was achievable. I would much rather have a world where human beings treated each other with more respect and dignity and an act like the Pulse shooting was unthinkable. A world where we identified our mentally unstable and did our best to help them before they snapped. I also recognize that sometimes evil can't be prevented and can only be combated when it rears it's ugly head.

I'm not afraid of a good person armed with an assault rifle who goes to the range and shoots at targets. In fact, I'd really like to have that person armed and ready if a wacko starts shooting up the local shopping mall.

 

[disappoint]

No one should be allowed to buy guns. Not even the military.

No one should want to buy guns.

No one should want to make guns.

 

[Svnla]

I am shaking my head at some of you posters lacking knowledge about guns yet were talking about guns.

And some of you sure have vivid imagination/wild idea/suggestion. What did you guys smoking?

 

[Paladin3]

No one should be allowed to buy guns. Not even the military.

No one should want to buy guns.

No one should want to make guns.

Keep hoping, but the reality of the situation is sure to disappoint.

 

[disappoint]

Keep hoping, but the reality of the situation is sure to disappoint.

I didn't mention that I was hoping for anything. I just answered the question with an unusual answer.

 

[Zodiark1593]

there are very few automatic firearms out there in civilian hands. they are severely regulated and very expensive. you can't buy one made after 1986 unless you are a dealer.
very few have been used in crimes.

With some knowledge, it isn't difficult to implement full-automatic fire in an otherwise, semi-auto fire weapon. Even the 10/22 can get the full-auto treatment.

However, unless you require suppression (or random destruction), full-auto is rarely ever a practical option.

As for an eventual banning of private firearms ownership, it is important to note that Americans are somewhat more individualist than their European, Canadian and Aussie counterparts. They tend to put the well-being of themselves and those closest before the well-being of their society as a whole. Same goes for trust (IE, trusting themselves well before ever trusting the government). Guns tend to place more power in the hands of the individual, hence why many Americans would loathe to part from their firearms. It is simply a society that places more importance on individual success and power before the collective whole.

To remove guns from American society would likely require an entire, generations long restructuring in the thinking process of it's civilians. Not an insurmountable obstacle, mind you, but requires careful thought and co-operation of both government and all media outlets.

 

[z1ggy]

To remove guns from American society would likely require an entire, generations long restructuring in the thinking process of it's civilians. Not an insurmountable obstacle, mind you, but requires careful thought and co-operation of both government and all media outlets.

I think if the govt out right banned all semi auto guns, maybe 2 generations from now this country could be mainly with out most pistols and rifles. However, it won't make much difference... Criminals and people hell bent on death and destruction will just use sawwed off shotguns and larger caliber rifles with detachable magazines.

Somebody remind me... But doesn't Switzerland or one European country require all citizens to own at least one gun? Where are all their gun violence? It's a people problem, and it always will be.

Ps why is nobody talking about the shootings in Chicago this weekend that killed 7 and hurt 33? Is it because it isn't useful to the left or rights agenda maybe??? No extremist jihadist or big scary black rifles?

 

[pontifex]

With some knowledge, it isn't difficult to implement full-automatic fire in an otherwise, semi-auto fire weapon. Even the 10/22 can get the full-auto treatment.
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Which is illegal.

 

[Linux23]

I'm a gun lover. More precisely, I love to shoot and to hunt and I believe firmly in the Second Amendment, but at this point I would have no issues if ALL semi-automatic weapons were outlawed. It will happen eventually. The tide is turning and there's nothing that the alarmists can do about it.

Over the next 30-50 years, I see some or all of the following happening. Again, it doesn't matter how vehemently the gun nuts protest, it will be the will of the majority. Not to mention, most of today's biggest gun nuts will long be dead.

Phase One. Sometime between now and 2030.

1. All firearms must be registered. Doesn't matter if it's a .22 single shot made in 1930 handed down from your great-Grandpa to your Grandpa to your Papa to you. If it doesn't have a serial number, it must be assigned one and it must be on the books.
   
   And it should go without saying that owning or possessing an UNregistered firearm will come with stiff fines and/or jail terms. And for all of the laws pertaining to owning guns, the same.
   
   
2. Ownership of one or more firearms will require a federal firearms permit. To qualify and receive this permit will require an extensive background check, paid for by the applicant. This permit will have to be renewed every [x] years. If you don't already hold a permit, you will NOT be able to legally purchase a gun.
   
   
3. The transfer of ownership of any firearm will have to be done through a federally licensed firearms dealer. Both parties must be present at the time of the transfer, and the buyer must hold a current gun owner's permit. There will be a small fee.

Phase Two. Between 2030 and 2050:

1. The sale of all semi-automatic weapons will be made illegal. Long rifles, pistols, shotguns. All.

Phase Three. 2050+

1. The possession of all semi-automatic weapons will be illegal. Get caught in possession of one and expect to spend a minimum of 5 years in prison, become a convicted felon and forfeit the right to ever own another firearm in your life.
   
   Yes, this includes firearms that you already own. You should have taken the hint over the past 20 years. Think current laws and attitudes regarding automatic weapons. Think BATF or SWAT kicking in your door at 4AM with guns drawn because it's been reported that you own a 1911.

And that's just how it's going to be...

I'd do that but push up the timeline a bit.

 

[Artdeco]

I won't lose any sleep over it.

There is a pretty high chance I might have made the suppressor on that .50 caliber in your picture. Looks like one of ours.

But I do not know much.

*edit* nah, it isn't, after looking at it again.

Short ass range to have a Barrett type sniper rifle at to begin with.

If someone misquotes the "First they came for this or that" again saying it was Jewish to begin with, would be pretty out there.

Just a pet peeve of mine these days also.

So you think that's a suppressor on a 50 caliber?

Like I said, credibility shot,

Here's your assault rifle:

PSA, it's one of the most popular rifles ever built, I assembled one from used parts last winter, and we're in big trouble because there are 5 million of them out there and they're still in production, think of it, 5 million assault 10/22's out there...

 

[z1ggy]

So you think that's a suppressor on a 50 caliber?

Like I said, credibility shot,

Here's your assault rifle:

I'm guessing that's a .308 with a nice break on it. Which scope did you go with and bipod? Looks awesome.

 

[Artdeco]

I'm guessing that's a .308 with a nice break on it. Which scope did you go with and bipod? Looks awesome.

338 Lapua, went with a Vortex 6x24-50 PST first focal plane, the bipod is an UTG, keeping my eye out in the forums for a used Harris. That's actually not mine, mine's still in cardboard box unfired, waiting for the travel case to show up, so I don't ding it up. The only guns I've owned that cost more than the scope was a Steyr Aug and the 110BA in 338.

Am all for sensible gun ownership, but the stupid laws in place already make a lot of things so damn stupidly complicated...

For instance if you build an AR15 from parts into a carbine, and then convert it into a pistol, it's illegal, but if you build a pistol, making it into a carbine and back is legal, WTF?

 

[z1ggy]

338 Lapua, went with a Vortex 6x24-50 PST first focal plane, the bipod is an UTG, keeping my eye out in the forums for a used Harris. That's actually not mine, mine's still in cardboard box unfired, waiting for the travel case to show up, so I don't ding it up. The only guns I've owned that cost more than the scope was a Steyr Aug and the 110BA in 338.

Am all for sensible gun ownership, but the stupid laws in place already make a lot of things so damn stupidly complicated...

For instance if you build an AR15 from parts into a carbine, and then convert it into a pistol, it's illegal, but if you build a pistol, making it into a carbine and back is legal, WTF?

Oof, big boy rifle. Very nice set up, I have a utg bipod as well and is great. Harris like 4-5x the cost and I'm not made of money.

Yeah, well that's bc law makers are often like some of the people on here... Uneducated and afraid. They have to appease their constituents no matter how stupid it may seem, or risk not being reelected.

 

[olds]

The solution is quite simple. Semi automatic firearms of a non-hunting purpose have no place in a civilized society. The rest of the civilized world already knows this, yet here we sit in our island of stupidity with a gun crime rate VASTLY higher than other developed nations pretending the solution is prayer in schools or some other bullshit. We are just too afraid to admit this painful truth because we think it will be too hard to change course. Thousands of people have to unnecessarily die every year so a bunch of nuts can hold onto some fantasy of overthrowing a tyrannical government,

I could get behind this idea, I rather like it. But lets expand on it.

Water conservation is a serious problem in California. We really need to ban washing cars in driveways. No one needs a clean car and you can go to a car wash that reuses the water. Plus when you spend money at a car wash you are helping the economy. Also, showers should automatically shut off after 20 seconds. 20 seconds is long enough to get wet. Then you can soap up and turn the water back on for another 20 seconds to rinse off. And people should have to air dry. Dirtying and then washing towels wastes water.

Then lets tackle global warming. Cars produce greenhouse gases. Having access to automobiles is not a constitutional right. No one needs cars. We can walk or ride bikes. Ban all cars to save the planet and the children. Who doesn't want to save children, some kind of monster?

 

[Kneedragger]

We have seen like 30k people a year die in vehicle related accidents so what we should do is ban sports cars and sports bikes because no one needs those. Also we should govern the speeds of vehicles to 65mph because no one needs to go faster.

Also it would be a good idea to ban people with regular license to own vehicles over 5k lbs because anything larger would be a weapon of mass destruction..

Sounds reasonable right?

 

[z1ggy]

The non gun ppl will always argue that those things aren't designed to kill people, while technically, guns are.

Even though ironically enough those non lethal items end up being extremely more dangerous than guns.

 

[NutBucket]

Somebody remind me... But doesn't Switzerland or one European country require all citizens to own at least one gun? Where are all their gun violence? It's a people problem, and it always will be.

Ps why is nobody talking about the shootings in Chicago this weekend that killed 7 and hurt 33? Is it because it isn't useful to the left or rights agenda maybe??? No extremist jihadist or big scary black rifles?

Yes, guns are definitely part of the Swiss culture.

Nobody talks about the sh*thole that is Chicago because it's not PC to tackle black vs. black violence. Instead we focus on the (relatively) few instances of white cops killing black suspects. Not to say that is OK, just to point out disparity in which crimes garner more attention. Oh, and to point out the handgun "ban" had zero positive effect on crime.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I could get behind this idea, I rather like it. But lets expand on it.

Water conservation is a serious problem in California. We really need to ban washing cars in driveways. No one needs a clean car and you can go to a car wash that reuses the water. Plus when you spend money at a car wash you are helping the economy. Also, showers should automatically shut off after 20 seconds. 20 seconds is long enough to get wet. Then you can soap up and turn the water back on for another 20 seconds to rinse off. And people should have to air dry. Dirtying and then washing towels wastes water.

Then lets tackle global warming. Cars produce greenhouse gases. Having access to automobiles is not a constitutional right. No one needs cars. We can walk or ride bikes. Ban all cars to save the planet and the children. Who doesn't want to save children, some kind of monster?

Not sure where you are going with this. The first paragraph obviously sounds extreme, but if water became so scarce that taps were running dry and crops were failing, would it be that extreme? I'd say the gun violence epidemic in this country cannot be overstated. It's time to take drastic measures that would have been considered unthinkable a generation ago.

 

[Svnla]

I think if the govt out right banned all semi auto guns, maybe 2 generations from now this country could be mainly with out most pistols and rifles. However, it won't make much difference... Criminals and people hell bent on death and destruction will just use sawwed off shotguns and larger caliber rifles with detachable magazines.

Somebody remind me... But doesn't Switzerland or one European country require all citizens to own at least one gun? Where are all their gun violence? It's a people problem, and it always will be.

Ps why is nobody talking about the shootings in Chicago this weekend that killed 7 and hurt 33? Is it because it isn't useful to the left or rights agenda maybe??? No extremist jihadist or big scary black rifles?

As I said several times, guns are not the problem, idiots/haters/crazies with guns are. Heck let say tomorrow all guns are gone on this Earth, crazies will use other means to kill others, just from day to day goods. You can not legislate/control stupidity and hate.

Funny how those gun "reform" folks forget to mention how countries such as Mexico and Brazil are doing with their strict gun control. They have more shootings than us.

See this post about the latest shooting in Chicago by your truly - http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38291120&postcount=158

 

[Muse]

I've thought about this for quite a few years, and here's what I think:

Almost everybody should not be allowed to buy guns.

If you are a hunter, you shouldn't be allowed to keep them on your property but at specific facilities where you check them in/out. And, of course, you should be thoroughly trained and vetted, continuously monitored if you have hunting rights associated with firearms.

If you are a law enforcement person, ultimately I think that it should be as in other countries where they do not carry regularly.

Transitioning from where we are now to the conditions I envision will take decades, but the benefits will be tremendous.

People that cant post in the correct forum.

"A place for everything and everything in its place" worked rather well for Benjamin Franklin (it's his saying), but he had a print shop. That doesn't work so well in forums!

List is as follows:

1. Humans.

End of List!

I'm with you.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't get the point you are trying to make. Of course the ability to ignore the 2nd amendment would make law enforcement's job easier, as would abandoning due process entirely. Heck, locking us all in individual cells would stop virtually 100% of crime.

I'm just not sure how pointing stuff like that out furthers the discussion.

Further the discussion? The only place these discussions go is in circles. And most of you keep using the same tired NRA or anti-gun lobby talking points, we have all read 1000s of times. Hell, I did it in the only post I made here. Why? There is nothing that can be said here, that has not been a mantra for decades. No new ideas or solutions. It is one group demanding nothing change, the other demanding it must. Furthering/advancing such a topic is highly improbable.

In just this short quote, you invoked a hyperbolic example, typical of the slippery slope fallacies participants in gun threads constantly invoke. Any amendment to an amendment is ignoring it. You can only mitigate crime through draconian measures, there is no sensible, logical, intermediary step. It is the same effort in futility that characterizes "discussions" with religious folks.

And you are right, you have no idea what point I was trying to make.

 

[Muse]

While it's easy to say he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase weapons since he was investigated by the FBI do our Constitutional Rights mean anything? The fact is nothing came of he investigations.

You don't know a fact from your ass-hole.

The FBI dropped the ball on that "investigation." All they had to do was interview his first (divorced) wife and they would have heard their ticking time bomb loud and clear.

 

[NutBucket]

I don't run the FBI. It's not my fault their investigations turned up nothing. Plus, the ex-wife could have reported him too. There are lots of what-ifs. Something about hindsight.....

I simply pointed out because of our Constitutional Rights he can't be banned from buying a gun because of an investigation that came up empty.

 

[Svnla]

Latest news, no gun but still able to kill - https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-police-commander-killed-jihadi-121245473.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/killing-two-police-officers-paris-090704098.html

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[Muse]

-snip-

But the problem is that... -snip-

Do not feed the trolls.