"Who Killed PC Gaming?"

[MikeyLSU]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe his numbers for a second.

I'm thinking they don't include Steam purchased games for one. Also, I'd bet they don't include monthly subscriptions to WoW and such. I think WoW subscriptions alone nearly reaches that 2007 PC number. So if he decides to leave that part out, the whole thing is a crock.

 

[marmasatt]

Originally posted by: Gothgar
Good topic idea, no one has posted something like this before

This

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: thilan29
http://www.industrygamers.com/...-who-killed-pc-gaming/

Good article, all makes sense :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
The author should probably just kill himself since he can't even figure out how to use google. Vista vs XP. As for software not working, Vista only requires certificates if you're installing drivers. Why is your game trying to install hardware drivers?? Oh and Vista requires an extra 256mb of memory to run which is worth approximately $3. I'm sure people are just starving to death over expenses like that.

Vista was a crock of shit for gaming in 2007, personal experience and the fact that people dont whine for nothing says it all. Its fine now but back then... no... just no...

the fact that people don't whine for nothing? is this your 1st time on the internet? that statement alone tells me to NEVER believe a word you say.

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

 

[Lonyo]

What was perhaps the cruelest cut of all, however, was the closure of ACES (Flight Sim) and Ensemble (Age of Empires, Halo Wars), two long-time successful PC developers that didn't happen to fit with Microsoft's future business plans.

Microsoft killed PC gaming by shutting down a studio they had just turned into a console game studio? OK that might make sense in some ways, but not if you then say who "didn't happen to fit with Microsoft's future business plans", since you say that the business plans revolve around consoles, and yet as soon as they make a studio a console studio, they kill it.

 

[BladeVenom]

Microsoft couldn't just close Ensemble Studios, otherwise the team might start their own company or be hired by someone else. The put them to work on a console RTS to keep them from making PC games. MS realizes RTS games on a console suck, it was just a way to take out a PC development team, while they moved the workers around and eventually shut them down. It was to let their fame and success from Age of Empires die. It was solely to damage PC gaming.

Just look ACES studios. Flight Simulator was Microsofts longest running title. Killing it also killed ESP. They got out of a whole field, virtual reality simulations, just to screw over PC gaming.

The article is correct in that Microsoft is PC gaming's number one enemy.

PC gaming isn't dead or "killed," but getting stabbed in the back by Microsoft sure did hurt it a bit.

 

[skyofavalon]

how can you kill something that was never truely alive in the first place ?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

Gaming on Vista worked fine for me, and I've been using it since release.

 

[BudAshes]

Pc gaming is awesome and still thriving. People just have a lot higher standards now.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

Gaming on Vista worked fine for me, and I've been using it since release.

I had it since release as well. There was a few month period where Nvidia drivers just sucked and had terrible performance, but they fixed it. That xp vs vista article I linked to was written in late 2007 and it shows the driver issues were fixed by then, which is long before most people made the switch. According to valve's latest hardware surveys, most people still haven't switched and are sticking with XP, so blaming Vista for any decline in PC gaming is just bullshit. Most people are not using Vista, and the issues related to it were fixed 2 years ago.

 

[Psynaut]

It was Joe (last name withheld). He lives down the street from me. I saw him do it, but I will deny it if I am questioned by the internet police. He knows how to perform a DDOS attack, and I have children for God's sake. Sweet, innocent children who need their internet service.

 

[IEC]

The answer is DRM.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

Gaming on Vista worked fine for me, and I've been using it since release.

Same here. Got vista a couple of months after release, been using it since then. I don't doubt that some people had real issues with drivers etc just personally I never had any.

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
The answer is DRM.

Activation limits piss me off, and especially when it asks for the real disk when its already in the drive. Otherwise I do like that some games like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 don't need disks to run (Fallout 3 disk check is on the launcher exe not the game exe )

As long as it doesn't crash, install bloat/trojans/rootkits etc on my comp and will not inconvinience me I don't care what DRM they use.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

Gaming on Vista worked fine for me, and I've been using it since release.

Same here. Got vista a couple of months after release, been using it since then. I don't doubt that some people had real issues with drivers etc just personally I never had any.

Its refreshing to see someone who thinks like that :thumbsup: the typical vista mentality seems to be "i had no problems so noone else shouldve had any".

 

[evident]

i seriously dont get the windows vista hate.

 

[Martimus]

I see a lot of threads on the death of PC Gaming. I must have lived in a bubble or something, since I have never heard of this guy. He seems to get as much coverage as Micheal Jackson in his death, but like Michael I couldn't care less about him dying. Never met the guy.

If you are talking about games ceasing to exist on the PC, I don't expect that to happen unless the world ends, or PC's stop being produced.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Oh i suppose you had a ball gaming with vista back in 2007... oh sorry i forgot you hate every single game released these days, never mind.

Gaming on Vista worked fine for me, and I've been using it since release.

Same here. Got vista a couple of months after release, been using it since then. I don't doubt that some people had real issues with drivers etc just personally I never had any.

Its refreshing to see someone who thinks like that :thumbsup: the typical vista mentality seems to be "i had no problems so noone else shouldve had any".

it's true

the people who hate Vista can't seem to figure it out but they will still tweak the hell out of it; disable UAC and then b!tch about it

Vista is a better OS for gaming than XP is

 

[skace]

It's the gamers who died not the platform.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Microsoft couldn't just close Ensemble Studios, otherwise the team might start their own company or be hired by someone else. The put them to work on a console RTS to keep them from making PC games. MS realizes RTS games on a console suck, it was just a way to take out a PC development team, while they moved the workers around and eventually shut them down. It was to let their fame and success from Age of Empires die. It was solely to damage PC gaming.

Just look ACES studios. Flight Simulator was Microsofts longest running title. Killing it also killed ESP. They got out of a whole field, virtual reality simulations, just to screw over PC gaming.

The article is correct in that Microsoft is PC gaming's number one enemy.

PC gaming isn't dead or "killed," but getting stabbed in the back by Microsoft sure did hurt it a bit.

Wow! Quick, where'd I put my tinfoil hat?!

I'd think if MS really wanted to kill off gaming, they wouldn't keep working on newer DirectX iterations.

I'm sure it's pointless to reply to this thread, but I'm doing against my better judgement; game developers just go where the money and market are going, which currently has swung to consoles for various arguable reasons (higher prices for games preferable for publishers/developers, gamers being able to game with their friends in the room without each person hauling their PC to one person's house, harder to pirate games, ...).

Simple business has most likely been the driving force that has swung the gaming pendulum towards consoles for the time being, but that's not to say the pendulum won't swing back.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: skace
It's the gamers who died not the platform.

True. They didnt wanna deal with overpriced crap loaded with DRM. In other words: Exactly what the console people love only they dont have to deal with the DRM.

In fact thats the answer right there. We're playing pretty much the exact same junk as the console lovers these days, only they dont have to deal with DRM.
Console sales are ridiculous.
Anyone else see a connection here?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: skace
It's the gamers who died not the platform.

True. They didnt wanna deal with overpriced crap loaded with DRM. In other words: Exactly what the console people love only they dont have to deal with the DRM.

In fact thats the answer right there. We're playing pretty much the exact same junk as the console lovers these days, only they dont have to deal with DRM.
Console sales are ridiculous.
Anyone else see a connection here?

Personally, I do see a big, fat correlation. However, there is little point in drawing people's attention to this as they will only become upset, accuse you of inventing problems that do not exist, claim that they industry is healthy and thriving and suggest that you are a pirate.

 

[narreth]

starcraft 2 will bring back life into the PC, but i agree that the platform is dying, and next-gen i will be going consoles for sure

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: tdawg
Wow! Quick, where'd I put my tinfoil hat?!

Did you check under your Microsoft Kool-aid?

I'd think if MS really wanted to kill off gaming, they wouldn't keep working on newer DirectX iterations.

They still need it in their OS. They also need it because their consoles use DirectX.

I'm sure it's pointless to reply to this thread, but I'm doing against my better judgement; game developers just go where the money and market are going, which currently has swung to consoles for various arguable reasons (higher prices for games preferable for publishers/developers, gamers being able to game with their friends in the room without each person hauling their PC to one person's house, harder to pirate games, ...).

Microsoft Flight Sim was making money. Age of Empires was a huge hit outselling all but the very biggest console games. PC games are still huge money makers, just look at WoW and the Sims series, probably the most profitable games of all time.

Simple business has most likely been the driving force that has swung the gaming pendulum towards consoles for the time being, but that's not to say the pendulum won't swing back.

It simple greed; Microsoft wanted a cut of every game sold. Something you can't do with an OS monopoly, but could do if you could get a console monopoly.

They also want to control home entertainment, something they failed miserably at with XP Media Center Edition.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Find out here:
http://www.industrygamers.com/...-who-killed-pc-gaming/

A useless graph of retail sales. Doesn't include Steam or MMO fees. PC gaming is plenty healthy.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

They could've narrowed it down to Laptops, Piracy and Microsoft and said the exact same amount. Too much fluff, and if they're going to blame microsoft that often, they should at least have the common decency to acknowledge that PC gaming is windows gaming.

 

[Genx87]

I havent read the entire article. But are they only counting retail sales? Because some of the biggest money makers are subscription based. WoW of course being the top dog bringing in what, 400 million a quarter?