Who invented WSAD + Mouselook in FPS?

[TGS]

Q1 had an auto aim that required you to be close to the target. Autoaim took over at that point.

I don't recall QII having vertical autoaim, or everyone would be a rail master.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

 

[IronWing]

Descent had freelook IIRC.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Frost Byte
Was it by the game company or the consumer?

For me, I *think* it started around Quake II. I learned to use mouselook for the first time, then the game suddenly becamse super easy. I could run circles around these single-player enemies and I could wiggle my way through hundreds of enemies at once..

Wasn't it invented by the QII tournament winner Thresh Hong?

quake 1... before that it was all keyboard (at least in terms of the game play you didnt need to aim up) . It look me a long time to move my right hand from the arrows to the mouse

 

[RadioHead84]

hah i remember the first time i learned the mouse look and instead of turningleft and right using strafe keys. It was with Quake2 and it rocked. The skill of circle strafing forever changed my FPS career hehe.

I dont use WSDA tho. I use ESDF

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: SuperTyphoon
the original doom for pc had the arrow keys but no mouse, since it was ment for dos.

This is definitely false. I remember getting into debates with friends over whether using the keyboard to look/turn was faster/slower than using the mouse. Ultimately I discovered that the mouse was faster, because you could turn 180 pretty quickly, but could not do so with the keyboard.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: SuperTyphoon
the original doom for pc had the arrow keys but no mouse, since it was ment for dos.

This is definitely false. I remember getting into debates with friends over whether using the keyboard to look/turn was faster/slower than using the mouse. Ultimately I discovered that the mouse was faster, because you could turn 180 pretty quickly, but could not do so with the keyboard.

True, but in Doom, moving the mouse up/down worked like up/down arrows, moving you back/forward, which was pretty usleless, IMO.

 

[zoiks]

I thought the OP was referring to Websphere Studio Application Developer. D'oh!

 

[Pakman]

EDSF in my opinion is much better than WADS. Not only do you get access to more keys, but you also have a point of reference because of that bump on the F key so you can find your spot without looking at the keyboard.

 

[bhanson]

Long live ESDF, no reason to use WASD.

(If there is, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.)

 

[n7]

RDFG works the best for me.

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: bhanson
Long live ESDF, no reason to use WASD.

(If there is, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.)

by your logic, RDFG (etc) have access to even more buttons, so no reason to use ESDF.

doesn't really matter /shrug

 

[So]

Originally posted by: bhanson
Long live ESDF, no reason to use WASD.

(If there is, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.)

IMO, Shift, Capslock, and Tab, all of which are easily recognized by feel are closer, and they make great run/weaponmode/scoreboard keys.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: bhanson
Long live ESDF, no reason to use WASD.

(If there is, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.)

IMO, Shift, Capslock, and Tab, all of which are easily recognized by feel are closer, and they make great run/weaponmode/scoreboard keys.

Not to revive this holy war, but I agree with the usefulness of Shift, CAPS, CTRL and Tab, but I've found that I can easily reach those keys, plus Q, A and Z with my pinky, so ESDF makes more sense.

The reason RDFG is not as appealing to me is that it becomes a stretch to reach CTRL, Shift, CAPS and Tab.

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: bhanson
Long live ESDF, no reason to use WASD.

(If there is, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.)

IMO, Shift, Capslock, and Tab, all of which are easily recognized by feel are closer, and they make great run/weaponmode/scoreboard keys.

Right, I still remember downloading a config file for Quake1 that helped popularize the WASD config. I went as far as adding my own rocket jump macro. WASD + mouselook was probably "invented" during Quake1 as it was the first true 3D FPS. I still saw lots of people using keyboard only for Marathon at the time. I hooked pretty much my entire dorm floor onto that control config file.

It took a while before WASD became default control scheme though.

EDIT: playing Marathon for PC after experiencing Quake and all it's awesome mods. TOTAL letdown. It came out way too late for PC. Not to mention Duke3D was out around the same time Marathon was out... pipebombs =

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

Never played it, eh? UNGODLY game.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

Never played it, eh? UNGODLY game.

You should definitely pick it up. It was a great mix of puzzles and shooting.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I didn't get the idea it was the default method of looking around until Unreal 1

It was in Marathon, and you could even look up and down as opposed to most games at the time which only had side to side mouse look.

I love marathon.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

Never played it, eh? UNGODLY game.

Wasn't it a Mac game?

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: Frost Byte
Was it by the game company or the consumer?

For me, I *think* it started around Quake II. I learned to use mouselook for the first time, then the game suddenly becamse super easy. I could run circles around these single-player enemies and I could wiggle my way through hundreds of enemies at once..

Wasn't it invented by the QII tournament winner Thresh Hong?

same here. same fscking thing here :laugh:

thats weird :laugh:

edit:

i remember playing online for the first time using MSN zone, and i got into a server, and i couldn't figure out how people were like spazzing out and jumping around all crazy while shooting and aiming. then i finally figured it out.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

Never played it, eh? UNGODLY game.

Wasn't it a Mac game?

It's available for PC now.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Marathon had mouselook as we know it today, but the default keymap wasn't WASD. So you had arrows + mouselook. So I'll credit Bungie/Marathon/Marathon 2/Marathon Infinity.

Edit: Ah, System Shock had it first by a few days or something stupid like that. But Marathon was still the better game.

You're just saying that because you're a Marathon fanboy
Wasn't SS also the first game to implement leaning around corners?

Never played it, eh? UNGODLY game.

Wasn't it a Mac game?

It's available for PC now.

Is it free yet?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I didn't get the idea it was the default method of looking around until Unreal 1

It was in Marathon, and you could even look up and down as opposed to most games at the time which only had side to side mouse look.

lol those are the games that had the auto aim that was always on...as long as you were facing the enemies...you hit them

Uh, no. That was Doom. In Marathon you could look pretty much at any angle you wanted and you fired where you aimed, up or down.

Originally posted by: neutralizer
Is it free yet?

http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/

 

[alm4rr]

esdf > wasd

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: alm4rr
esdf > wasd

Arrows > All