Who else barbecuing today?

[MagnusTheBrewer]

HAL9000, you're being mislead. In this case, Oxford and Princeton use the definition that most of the world uses. However, most of ATOT is American and since America invented BBQ, we get to define what is meant by it. zinfamous is correct.

The Chef has spoken.
So, let it be written.
So, let it be done.

 

[zinfamous]

I love English, what you are speaking isn't it. You're speaking American, you should learn English. It's a lot more beautiful than the absurd over simplification of things in American.

Again, do you believe that "irregardless" belongs in the dictionary?

You avoided this question earlier.

You should also realize that dictionaries, are, as they always have been, manuals. They are not "truth."

 

[CaptnKirk]

How thick is the steel on those Webers? I have a custom made drum style bbq (made from a 20 gallon water heater core) that is very thick, but I can't do a water pan in it. The water pan smoker I do have is super thin steel and doesn't hold heat for crap, I'm always having to reload coals to keep it at 225.

I'll guess it's about 0.050 - 0.063 thick, and covered with enamel or porcelin enamel.
Holds about 1 gallon in the water pan.

From lighting to finish never dropped below 205* F and never went over 235* F.

The food was absolutely terrible, we had to gag it down with the third Margurita, this time with Don Julio.

Started with Sauza Hornito's, then Asombruso.
The Don Julios is just to settle things down.

Still have El Mayor, Corzo, Dos Lunas, and Corozon to go.
It's almost time for desert.

 

[HAL9000]

Educational purposes for neckbeard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ2Uj_3v6Dw

one day, he may have culture. One day.

An American telling an Englishmen about culture! Ha.

HAL9000, you're being mislead. In this case, Oxford and Princeton use the definition that most of the world uses. However, most of ATOT is American and since America invented BBQ, we get to define what is meant by it. zinfamous is correct.

The Chef has spoken.
So, let it be written.
So, let it be done.

No he's not. America as it is today did not invent the BBQ, it was around long before the USA. In the Caribbean for example. The word first popped into the Oxford English Dictionary in 1697

 

[HAL9000]

Again, do you believe that "irregardless" belongs in the dictionary?

You avoided this question earlier.

You should also realize that dictionaries, are, as they always have been, manuals. They are not "truth."

Follow this line of thinking for future reference.

If it's an English word, then it belongs in the dictionary.

That should answer your question as "Irregardless" is now an English word, even though it is a double negative.

 

[zinfamous]

An American telling an Englishmen about culture! Ha.



No he's not. America as it is today did not invent the BBQ, it was around long before the USA. In the Caribbean for example. The word first popped into the Oxford English Dictionary in 1697

did you read my links?

St Augustines--in the present USA, was a town in 1697. call it what you will, but that is the USA.

The Spanish brought the method to what is now South Carolina.

barbecuing is very specific. Don't try to pretend that 5 minutes of googling and you are suddenly an expert on something that many of us grew up with. BBQ is my state cuisine. Don't fuck with me, boy-o.

You are fundamentally wrong on this issue.

 

[zinfamous]

Follow this line of thinking for future reference.

If it's an English word, then it belongs in the dictionary.

That should answer your question as "Irregardless" is now an English word, even though it is a double negative.

You could also stand to learn more about the history, use, and value of dictionaries.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829ta_talk_alford

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/11/06/061106fa_fact_lepore

 

[HAL9000]

did you read my links?

St Augustines--in the present USA, was a town in 1697. call it what you will, but that is the USA.

The Spanish brought the method to what is now South Carolina.

barbecuing is very specific. Don't try to pretend that 5 minutes of googling and you are suddenly an expert on something that many of us grew up with. BBQ is my state cuisine. Don't fuck with me, boy-o.

You are fundamentally wrong on this issue.

So even according to you the spanish invented BBQ's?

I'm not an expert on BBQ but I'm pretty damn good with the English language.

 

[HAL9000]

You could also stand to learn more about the history, use, and value of dictionaries.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829ta_talk_alford

I'm not very interested in history, sorry.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

An American telling an Englishmen about culture! Ha.



No he's not. America as it is today did not invent the BBQ, it was around long before the USA. In the Caribbean for example. The word first popped into the Oxford English Dictionary in 1697

Sigh. here's your free food lesson today. Everyone steals food ideas from everyone else. The style of BBQ which America is familiar including regional differences WAS invented by America. I'm pretty sure some Cro-Magnon probably stole the idea from somewhere else but, He didn't invent the style of American BBQ which, once again, WE (as in my fellow Americans) get to define.
Congrats, you've finally convinced me you're a silly Britt. Now, go pound sand.

 

[HAL9000]

Sigh. here's your free food lesson today. Everyone steals food ideas from everyone else. The style of BBQ which America is familiar including regional differences WAS invented by America. I'm pretty sure some Cro-Magnon probably stole the idea from somewhere else but, He didn't invent the style of American BBQ which, once again, WE (as in my fellow Americans) get to define.
Congrats, you've finally convinced me you're a silly Britt. Now, go pound sand.

"Pound sand?" Wtf?

Aside from that, you've said it yourself "the style of American BBQ which, once again, WE (as in my fellow Americans) get to define."

So you're talking about American style BBQ, not just BBQ. That's fine, I take no issues with you guys doing things differently, but don't assume that therefore the universal definition of BBQ is BBQ'ing American style.

 

[zinfamous]

DO you eat potatoes, neckbeard? how do you cook them?

how about tomatoes?

what about any kind chilli pepper?

coffee?

chocolate, perhaps?

citrus?

corn/maize?

congratulations, those are all "American," or New World foods. They are all ours. Using your faulty reasoning, that is our history, however you choose to prepare it. Not yours.

 

[HAL9000]

DO you eat potatoes, neckbeard? how do you cook them?

how about tomatoes?

what about any kind chilli pepper?

coffee?

chocolate, perhaps?

citrus?

corn/maize?

congratulations, those are all "American," or New World foods. They are all ours. Using your faulty reasoning, that is our history, however you choose to prepare it. Not yours.

That doesn't mean you get to redefine potato... If you feel the urge. Also I'd like to take issue with the idea that America invented a lot of those, some of them have been around a lot longer than the USA.

 

[zinfamous]

"Pound sand?" Wtf?

Aside from that, you've said it yourself "the style of American BBQ which, once again, WE (as in my fellow Americans) get to define."

So you're talking about American style BBQ, not just BBQ. That's fine, I take no issues with you guys doing things differently, but don't assume that therefore the universal definition of BBQ is BBQ'ing American style.

that is, however the ORIGIN of the term. that is BBQ.

it was taken and adapted in many places, and bastardized to many unrecognizable terms, including within our own country, to a degree that some random yokel will invite one to "a BBQ" and serve up hotdogs and hamburgers on their gas grill.

In the land of BBQ, you do that, you are ostracized.

 

[HAL9000]

that is, however the ORIGIN of the term. that is BBQ.

it was taken and adapted in many places, and bastardized to many unrecognizable terms, including within our own country, to a degree that some random yokel will invite one to "a BBQ" and serve up hotdogs and hamburgers on their gas grill.

In the land of BBQ, you do that, you are ostracized.

The origins of both the activity of barbecue cooking and the word itself are somewhat obscure. Most etymologists believe that barbecue derives ultimately from the word barabicu found in the language of both the Timucua of Florida and the Taíno people of the Caribbean, which then entered European languages in the form barbacoa. The word translates as "sacred fire pit."[2] The word describes a grill for cooking meat, consisting of a wooden platform resting on sticks.

Wikipedia says no.

 

[zinfamous]

That doesn't mean you get to redefine potato... If you feel the urge.

your argument, neckbeard. I'm using your argument.

what you meant to say, is that You (meaning, neckbeard) do not get to redefine the term.

you've tried to tell me that BBQ is not of US origin. well, it is, it was always defined one way.

none of us are redefining anything. simply telling you where you are wrong.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

"Pound sand?" Wtf?

Aside from that, you've said it yourself "the style of American BBQ which, once again, WE (as in my fellow Americans) get to define."

So you're talking about American style BBQ, not just BBQ. That's fine, I take no issues with you guys doing things differently, but don't assume that therefore the universal definition of BBQ is BBQ'ing American style.

It's a colloquialism, look it up. YOU are posting in an American forum in a thread created by an American talking about American BBQ. Get the drift?

 

[HAL9000]

your argument, neckbeard. I'm using your argument.

what you meant to say, is that You (meaning, neckbeard) do not get to redefine the term.

you've tried to tell me that BBQ is not of US origin. well, it is, it was always defined one way.

Was it? Because your dictionaries seem to disagree... :hmm: Where is princeton university again? Is it in france? No... No It's in America.

 

[HAL9000]

It's a colloquialism, look it up. YOU are posting in an American forum in a thread created by an American talking about American BBQ. Get the drift?

Yep, that's fine, but BBQ != American BBQ

So while there may be a difference between to grill something and to BBQ it American Style, that doesn't mean there's a difference between grilling something and BBQ'ing it.

 

[zinfamous]

Wikipedia says no.

http://bbq.about.com/od/barbecuehelp/a/aa110197.htm

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908513,00.html


Hell, even your fellow limies are trying to educate you on barbecue:

http://www.oscarenterprises.f2s.com/bbq_history.html

God Bless the Southern US, because it gave the world BBQ! Just because you were never familiar with that, does not make your ignorance true, neckbeard. You should consider these things before further making a fool of yourself.

 

[zinfamous]

Yep, that's fine, but BBQ != American BBQ

So while there may be a difference between to grill something and to BBQ it American Style, that doesn't mean there's a difference between grilling something and BBQ'ing it.

You invite me to "a BBQ" and toss some hotdogs on a grill, I'm going to punch you in the face for being a fucking liar.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

From a BBQ site:

Grilling and BBQ; people use the words interchangeably to describe a type of food, a way of cooking food, or the social gathering that often occurs when this food is being cooked. But ask any Texan who loves his BBQ brisket, and you will find that there are several differences between grilling and BBQ.
Used literally, the term "grilling" refers to cooking food over a direct flame or other high-heat source. BBQ, on the other hand, has three distinct differences. One main difference between grilling and BBQ is the heat source. BBQ uses indirect heat or low-level heat to cook foods - usually meats.

With high quality cuts of meat, low-level heat can suck out the moisture, leaving the meat tough and dry. This is why grilling experts recommend using high heat that cooks quickly and sears the outside layers, locking in the juices. But BBQ typically uses less expensive cuts of meat that must be cooked slowly for long periods of time to become tender. Which brings us to the second difference between grilling and BBQ.
With grilling, it takes somewhere around 15 minutes to cook a steak and a bit longer for chops. Authentic BBQ takes all day, or even several days, to fully cook. This is due, in part, because of the low-level, indirect heat needed to cook the meat so that it becomes tender. But longer cooking times also allow the flavor to fully develop, helped along by the third important difference between grilling and BBQ.
True BBQ will have a thick, tangy, mouthwatering taste that comes from adding wood smoke during cooking. No matter how many fancy gadgets and flavorings you add, you can't get the same taste from grilling. You might get a hint of smoky BBQ flavor, but it's just not the same. Food has to cook several hours to fully absorb the wood smoke, and you only get that from BBQ.
So there you have it - the three main differences between grilling and BBQ. Both are thought of as art forms that require skill and practice, and each has its own following of devotees. But truth be told, most people won't get too worked up if you call your grill a barbeque. And whether you're grilling or barbequing, it usually means the same thing in the end -- good times and good eats.

The word from which BBQ or Barbecue comes is barabicu, or "sacred fire pit". I would submit not many people have one of those.

Over time the meaning of the word has come to mean both a food and a technique. One would grill a steak, but barbecue a brisket. The distinction is not trivial. If you cook a brisket over high heat then you will have a piece of unappealing rubber.

When I barbecue a beef brisket I have the temperature very low compared to a direct coal fire. That allows time for smoke to penetrate and give a distinctive flavor. Brisket and many pork roasts have a lot of connective tissue in the form of collagen. If you were to measure the internal temperature of the meat you'd find that it would gradually increase until around 158F. At that point it stalls for some hours. How is that possible? After all you would think that thermodynamics wouldn't just take a break. The answer is that at this temperature heat causes breakdown of collagen to gelatin. That's work in the physical sense and it cannot be rushed. Once the process is completed then the temperature rises again until it's done.

That's barbecue.

 

[sjwaste]

That doesn't mean you get to redefine potato... If you feel the urge. Also I'd like to take issue with the idea that America invented a lot of those, some of them have been around a lot longer than the USA.

Can you just stop fucking trolling every goddamn thread where you think there might be a semantic difference between the understood definition of a word and whatever it is that you think Americans should know?

Seriously, it's getting really fucking old and you managed to add an extra page of bullshit on your own. Stick to the fucking topic.

I pointed out the same damn thing, but when it was obvious we were all on the same topic after all, I dropped it. You continue to pursue. Why? If you're not interested in the actual topic of a thread, start your own.

Really, if you don't like what the consensus here tends to think, consider going elsewhere for discussions relevant to your interests. It really detracts from the discussion when you decide to spend the next hour posting your collateral opinions that really, honestly, don't matter at all to the topic at hand.

Cliffs:

When threads get derailed into semantic arguments, you tend to be the common element.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Yep, that's fine, but Silly Britt != American

So while there may be a difference between to grill something and to BBQ it American Style, that doesn't mean there's a difference between grilling something and BBQ'ing it except in America which merely has the best BBQ in the world..

FTFY

 

[HAL9000]

http://bbq.about.com/od/barbecuehelp/a/aa110197.htm

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908513,00.html


Hell, even your fellow limies are trying to educate you on barbecue:

http://www.oscarenterprises.f2s.com/bbq_history.html

God Bless the Southern US, because it gave the world BBQ! Just because you were never familiar with that, does not make your ignorance true, neckbeard. You should consider these things before further making a fool of yourself.

Did you read them The first couple of line sin the BBC one say how the indigenous people of the Caribbean gave us BBQ, and the first paragraph in the Time.com saying "grills".

You shouldn't post things that are counter to the argument you are trying to make.