Who bought/is buying a Radeon RX 470 or RX 460?

[Silverforce11]

Judging from their own WX4100 specs, Polaris 11 actually has 1024SP. So apparently its only a single CU disabled.

But, it is kinda pathetic to have only one consumer GPU on Polaris 11, the 460, and have it a cut down part.

RX 460 has 896 SP, so it's 14 CU. 2 CUs cut from the supposedly full Polaris 11 which has 16.

 

[Yakk]

It seems that RX 460 is a cut down Polaris 11 as well and not the full chip.

Yeah you're right, so the 460 will be used to sell cut-down chips from... wonder who's getting the full top shelf Polaris GPUs?

I would guess Apple...

 

[crisium]

It's already confirmed for Firepro cards.

 

[SPBHM]

something else that is going to be interesting is memory overclock on the 470,

talking about the 460 not using full polaris 11, I find interesting that the 360 was also the same (with Bonaire), and they never sold a 360X; while the 260X and 7790 used the full chip;
but I suppose the 460 is not the priority for Polaris 11, they made it more for mobile, but was full Bonaire a big deal for mobile and professional cards (last year, in a way it wasn't the years before)!?

 

[mohit9206]

The price point of the RX 460 is what's great, but I agree it looks like in DX11 it will slightly lose to a GTX 950 - which does have no-pin versions available. Disappointing in that regard. But at $99 it's cheaper than the 950s, so this will be the new cheapest HDMI 2.0 card for now.

Low profile version, please.

Even at $99 its not much cheaper than 950 as the cheapest model of 950 is already $110 on newegg with most models around $120. So RX460 is basically AMDs 750Ti and 950 is ready to compete and win against it.
RX470 won't have any competition until later this year or early next year when Nvidia launches the 1050 with 3gb vram for either $179 or $199 depending on how generous or not Nvidia wants to be.
I wish we had more performance available at $99. Performance at this price point has stagnated since 2013's 250X. In 3 years since we should have been at 7950 performance which Nvdia is at with 950 for $120.
So either RX460 or GTX 950 for me whichever offers better perf/$ or maybe save up for RX470 or wait for GTX 1050.

 

[R0H1T]

Even at $99 its not much cheaper than 950 as the cheapest model of 950 is already $110 on newegg with most models around $120. So RX460 is basically AMDs 750Ti and 950 is ready to compete and win against it.
RX470 won't have any competition until later this year or early next year when Nvidia launches the 1050 with 3gb vram for either $179 or $199 depending on how generous or not Nvidia wants to be.
I wish we had more performance available at $99. Performance at this price point has stagnated since 2013's 250X. In 3 years since we should have been at 7950 performance which Nvdia is at with 950 for $120.
So either RX460 or GTX 950 for me whichever offers better perf/$ or maybe save up for RX470 or wait for GTX 1050.

They're clearing stock so that's why it's selling ~110$ besides thus isn't the price where you'll find the 950 in most parts of the world atm, even when retailers are clearing their stock.

Many prospective buyers will find the 460 more attractive because of the price & DX12/Vulkan uplift that you won't get with either the 750(TI) nor the 950.

Nvidia will not launch the 1050 with 3GB VRAM (where did you see that rumor btw ) as it'll most likely be the 2GB standard version, possibly with a 4GB variant to be released later on.

The 1050 is no competition for 470, the 1050Ti might be.

Let's just say you're way off with your estimations & predictions, again D:

 

[AtenRa]

Personaly im targeting RX 460 for a 100W total system with the new AM4 35W TDP APUs/CPUs. This will be a new SFF system close to 100W total system power with 150-180W PSU.

RX 470 at +10-15% higher perf than R9 380X will be a sweet spot for 1080p and 1440p medium/high settings gaming. Custom 4GB cards at $169-179 will be more than enough for this category.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I own a 7790, so the 460 doesn't give me enough of a performance increase for me to consider upgrading. I'd probably only consider a 470 and above, but it depends on price.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

But, it is kinda pathetic to have only one consumer GPU on Polaris 11, the 460, and have it a cut down part.

The fully functional dies will likely be hoovered up by mobile and the workstation cards. But yeah, its certainly not ideal from our point of view.

We might even eventually see even further cut-down varieties to fill the really low-end of the market.

RX 460 has 896 SP, so it's 14 CU. 2 CUs cut from the supposedly full Polaris 11 which has 16.

Oh, you're right of course. An AMD CU is only 64SP. That's what I get for spending too long in NV land.

 

[crisium]

I own a 7790, so the 460 doesn't give me enough of a performance increase for me to consider upgrading. I'd probably only consider a 470 and above, but it depends on price.

Quite right. The 7790 launched at $150, so the $150 RX 470 is the next-gen successor for you.

 

[frozentundra123456]

They're clearing stock so that's why it's selling ~110$ besides thus isn't the price where you'll find the 950 in most parts of the world atm, even when retailers are clearing their stock.

Many prospective buyers will find the 460 more attractive because of the price & DX12/Vulkan uplift that you won't get with either the 750(TI) nor the 950.

Nvidia will not launch the 1050 with 3GB VRAM (where did you see that rumor btw ) as it'll most likely be the 2GB standard version, possibly with a 4GB variant to be released later on.

The 1050 is no competition for 470, the 1050Ti might be.

Let's just say you're way off with your estimations & predictions, again D:

His post makes perfect sense. Where did you see documentation that the 1050 will launch with 2gb of ram? And even if it does, that does not change the performance (or lack of it) for the 460. And it does not matter *why* the 950 is cheap. The price "is what it is". I hardly think anyone is going to go into a store and pay over the asking price just because it is on "close out".

I would be interested in seeing benchmarks, but I think the 950 will be faster than the 460 in the vast majority of games that are played today. Really, I see no place for the 460 except in a HTPC system or an OEM box that has a power supply with no six pin connector.

The 470, if it launches as rumored at 150.00, offers probably twice the performance for 50% more cost, and should comfortably play any game at 1080p and decent settings. A much better deal than the 460.

 

[AtenRa]

I would be interested in seeing benchmarks, but I think the 950 will be faster than the 460 in the vast majority of games that are played today. Really, I see no place for the 460 except in a HTPC system or an OEM box that has a power supply with no six pin connector.

RX 460 over GTX 950

1. Smaller size than GTX 950
2. <75W TDP
3. $99
4. Pair with cheap ($100-120) FreeSync monitor for much better gaming experience than GTX 950
5. DP 1.3/1.4
6. Better DX-12/Vulkan perf

Cheap 1080p FreeSync monitors

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#A=2&r=192001080&X=0,21888

 

[AtenRa]

double post

 

[poofyhairguy]

Well if the 470 is $149.. and the 460 is $99, the performance gap between them is huge, as well as the 2 vs 4GB vram. Unless somebody desperate needs no PCIE plug GPU, the 460 is rather pointless.

Saying that, the 750Ti was very popular, despite being pretty weak.. at the very low end, I don't understand that market. :/

The 750 ti is great for OEM boxes. I have been disappointed with mine but mostly because it kinda sucks with MadVR. I plan to get a 460 for MadVR eventually, probably when I can get a deal though.

But, it is kinda pathetic to have only one consumer GPU on Polaris 11, the 460, and have it a cut down part.

Meh, if I had to chose I would rather Apple monopolize the Polaris 11 (I guess we know what the next Macbook GPU is) than the Polaris 10.

 

[frozentundra123456]

RX 460 over GTX 950

1. Smaller size than GTX 950
2. <75W TDP
3. $99
4. Pair with cheap ($100-120) FreeSync monitor for much better gaming experience than GTX 950
5. DP 1.3/1.4
6. Better DX-12/Vulkan perf

Cheap 1080p FreeSync monitors

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#A=2&r=192001080&X=0,21888

I was not really recommending the 950, although if you can get one on close out at 100.00 or so it is not a bad deal. I was simply saying that unless one specifically needs sub 75 watt tdp, the 470 is a much better deal than the 460. I also think the 460 will require a lot of compromises to play demanding games at 1080p, while the 470 will not. The fly in the ointment, I suspect though, is that I have a feeling the 470 may be very had to obtain, and will see price gouging as well.

 

[grant2]

I'm curious what kind of RX 460 models we see.
I'm also curious to see if & when Nvidia announces or produces 1050-model cards.

At the moment it looks like Nvidia will produce a higher performance:watt card than AMD, although it will be coming out months later.

 

[R0H1T]

His post makes perfect sense. Where did you see documentation that the 1050 will launch with 2gb of ram? And even if it does, that does not change the performance (or lack of it) for the 460. And it does not matter *why* the 950 is cheap. The price "is what it is". I hardly think anyone is going to go into a store and pay over the asking price just because it is on "close out".

I would be interested in seeing benchmarks, but I think the 950 will be faster than the 460 in the vast majority of games that are played today. Really, I see no place for the 460 except in a HTPC system or an OEM box that has a power supply with no six pin connector.

The 470, if it launches as rumored at 150.00, offers probably twice the performance for 50% more cost, and should comfortably play any game at 1080p and decent settings. A much better deal than the 460.

Sorry but Nvidia sells you a GPU & not (advertised) specs, you can head over here if you want to debate this further ~ http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2418466

He's not from the US so using clearance stock prices to justify buying a previous gen card, which may or may not get driver improvements in the future is disingenuous of him IMO, also these prices are not reflected the world over so hardly exciting I'd say.

So as you said previously where are the stats, plus is it the PCIe powered version you're talking about or the regular 6pin model? Just as the 750/Ti right & we all know it sold really well.

No arguments there but that wasn't what I said, anywhere in my post.

 

[xLegenday]

I'm predicting the average RX 470 is actually going to be >15% slower than the average RX 480. The leaked base/boost clocks I've seen seem to be more power optimized.

Hopefully it's closer to $149 than $179.

Your right in one part , wrong in the other. The price of custom cards will be 199$ or more. Non premium maybe 179$

 

[Mondozei]

AMD has historically been much more generous with VRAM than NV, so I don't get why they went lowball with 2 GB VRAM for the 460. 3GB should be the absolute minimum by now.

I also agree with those who say that we've seen a stagnation in the 100-150 USD space. If you go back 3 years and look at the top end GPU in 2013 and compare it to the top end 2016 GPU(which is the Pascal Titan X), there's a massive difference. If you look at the best sub-$150 in 2013 and compare it to today, the increase has been far smaller.

Sure, the high-end gets more love generally, but there should nevertheless have been much more movement.

What you need to understand is that 750Ti was plenty good enough, for the price, at the time. Also it was small with low power draw, and made stable a 2007 PC that was mighty unstable. All together it was a perfect fit. And I still use it today.

This is exactly it. My friend had a very old PC built on an old AM2 platform. His PSU was garbage. He had a very limited budget and his former GPU was a Geforce 200-series part.

So, for him, getting a 750 Ti made sense since he couldn't really get a strong GPU without upgrading his whole PC because his crappy PC would have bottlenecked a stronger card. Plus, the power effiency was a big plus. And again, his budget was limited, so he only had money for a GPU upgrade.

Folks have to remember that most buyers of weak GPUs also have weak PCs in general. Most people are not aware just how many people out there are stuck with garbage OEM machines like my friend was, because that is what his mother got from her job. And those PCs tend to stay around for 7-10 years.

 

[tential]

Mining profitability on my card is the 470 going to be better than the 480? If it actually has a decent price point I may buy in for mining for the 470 while I wait for Vega and sell off my other cards

 

[DidelisDiskas]

RX 460 over GTX 950

1. Smaller size than GTX 950
2. <75W TDP

3. $99

4. Pair with cheap ($100-120) FreeSync monitor for much better gaming experience than GTX 950
5. DP 1.3/1.4
6. Better DX-12/Vulkan perf

Cheap 1080p FreeSync monitors

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#A=2&r=192001080&X=0,21888

But if you are from Greece, you will not see anything near that price, the whole Eastern Europe is getting shafted with the prices of new gpu's. I aleady saw some "preorders" of the 460 go for 200 euro~ (so probably 150-180 euro at best when they are avaivable).

I was also looking forward to getting the rx 460, but it does not seem to be that much of an upgrade over my r7 360 and if need to get shafted, i may as well go for the 470 (nvidia not an option as i'm using open source drivers on linux).

 

[boozzer]

But if you are from Greece, you will not see anything near that price, the whole Eastern Europe is getting shafted with the prices of new gpu's. I aleady saw some "preorders" of the 460 go for 200 euro~ (so probably 150-180 euro at best when they are avaivable).

I was also looking forward to getting the rx 460, but it does not seem to be that much of an upgrade over my r7 360 and if need to get shafted, i may as well go for the 470 (nvidia not an option as i'm using open source drivers on linux).

what are your options like for sites like ebay? or hardware swap forums for europe? I bet you can get them for less than msrp once supply problems goes away a couple of months(maybe?) from now.

 

[DidelisDiskas]

what are your options like for sites like ebay? or hardware swap forums for europe? I bet you can get them for less than msrp once supply problems goes away a couple of months(maybe?) from now.

Anything from non EU gets an import tax, so that is out of the question (edit: though i might be wrong on this, as it seems like items bellow 150 euro mark might not be taxed). I do sometimes use amazon.de, but it also includes transportation fees and if i get a faulty part it will be a major headache as opposed to just dropping the faulty part at the local retailers. To be honest, i'm not even sure how am i supposed to claim the warranty when i buy stuff from ebay, amazon etc.

 

[boozzer]

Anything from non EU gets an import tax, so that is out of the question (edit: though i might be wrong on this, as it seems like items bellow 150 euro mark might not be taxed). I do sometimes use amazon.de, but it also includes transportation fees and if i get a faulty part it will be a major headache as opposed to just dropping the faulty part at the local retailers. To be honest, i'm not even sure how am i supposed to claim the warranty when i buy stuff from ebay, amazon etc.

you need to find out if the warranty is account bound or product serial on the product it self. the seller usually states exactly what it is. or you can always ask if not. non transferable account bound warranties are useless and needs to be reflected in the asking price of the seller.

the best way to get around the import tax is to use hardware swap forums. it is just another guy shipping you a box. you pay with paypal/google wallet or similar service. I have no idea if ebay items incurs tax like vat or not. you can find out.

 

[AtenRa]

But if you are from Greece, you will not see anything near that price, the whole Eastern Europe is getting shafted with the prices of new gpu's. I aleady saw some "preorders" of the 460 go for 200 euro~ (so probably 150-180 euro at best when they are avaivable).

I was also looking forward to getting the rx 460, but it does not seem to be that much of an upgrade over my r7 360 and if need to get shafted, i may as well go for the 470 (nvidia not an option as i'm using open source drivers on linux).

RX 460 will not be 200 Euro, it should be close to 120-140 Euro. RX 470 will be close to 200 Euro. Preorder prices dont reflect real product prices, you should wait until September when availability will be better and prices stabilize.