The power connector does not bother me all that much if there are versions without it, but i vaguely remember an amd spokesman countering some comments in reddit about 480 high power draw, by saying that the advertised higher efficiency numbers (in some amd slides) were for the 470 and 460.
The power connector does not bother me all that much if there are versions without it, but i vaguely remember an amd spokesman countering some comments in reddit about 480 high power draw, by saying that the advertised higher efficiency numbers (in some amd slides) were for the 470 and 460.
It depends,if you look at the reference RX470 cards,they have better performance/watt than the RX480(around 11%).
I expect the RX460 will be more efficient,but it is a salvage part which is a shame.
Why,you might ask??
Look at this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10521...wx-4100-wx-5100-wx-7100-bring-polaris-to-pros
The WX4100 has a fully enabled Polaris 11 chip running at 975MHZ minimum clockspeed. Yet,it is single slot and low profile. It is also bus powered.
The RX460 has 896 shaders,meaning the WX4100 has 14% extra shaders.
The RX460 has a minimum clockspeed of 1090MHZ and a boost clockspeed of 1200MHZ.
So,that is the issue an RX460 might be a bit worse performance/watt over a WX4100 for similar performance.
sm625
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I must admit that the MSI Radeon RX 470 Gaming X looks really good. Uncannily good. It is so much better than the Asus version that it doesnt even seem believable.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_470_gaming_x_8gb_review,5.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_470_gaming_x_8gb_review,5.html
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I just got the 4GB version of this card from Jet for $172. I'm replacing a 7850 and pairing it with an i3 6100. Hope it's good for 1080p for a couple years.
the vast majority (of 750 tis) don't have external power connector, like most 950s do, but some don't
I didn't compare with the 270s and so on because GCN1.0 cards underperformed badly on this benchmark, so it would be unrepresentative for most cases; that's why I used just another Maxwell vs Polaris case, so we kind of have an idea, it shows that Polaris performs well on this relative to Maxwell (980 tends to be faster than the 480, but it's a match here), so on most games expect the gtx 950 to be ahead, like maybe from 10 to 25%?
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mohit9206
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Benchmarks leaked for RX460.Slower than GTX 950,slower than even R7 370 and pretty much on par with 750Ti.
If these leaked numbers are true then another fail for AMD.Price is an even bigger failure.$110-130 for 2gb models and $130-150 for 4gb models.
The whole 2.8X perf/watt was a lie,its less efficient than even the Maxwell GTX 950.
So when all is said and one,between RX460,470 and 480, only the 470 is real winner,both others are flop cards.
I was thinking about buying a half dozen (to start with) 470s or 480s to mine scrypt cryptocurrencies with, but I'm still reading and learning about them. I would want to at least be able to break even on my hardware costs within 6 months to a year; I would probably give the cards to family/friends if/when it became unprofitable beyond that. I don't want to buy a bunch of Radeons and not be able to make any money with them, however.
RussianSensation
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If you want to roll that way, GTX750/750Ti/950/960/380/380X/280X/460/470/480/1060 are all flops because someone in the U.S. could have purchased a Sapphire Tri-X 290 with 3 games for $200 and an PowerColor PCS+ R9 290X for $255 20 months ago and enjoyed excellent performance all this time.
Current prices of all next generation cards are overpriced but it can be worse; like buying a $700 780Ti less than 3 years ago or a $550 980 less than 2 years ago and having a $200 RX 480 4GB beat the former and the $240 RX 480 8GB come very close to the later while doubling its VRAM and destroying the 980 on feature set and DX12/Vulkan games. I guess you call that a fail though. I quite like the idea that all it takes is 30 RX 480 cards splits across 5 mining rigs to match the world's average monthly income. I just ordered 5 more RX 480 cards and will be ordering a lot more. I don't know many people on these boards that would say no to a $1,000-1,500 USD raise a month for their wages. And unlike investing in stocks that could bomb during a recession, the cards can be sold with minimal loss in resale value in 6-12 months.
The beauty of making money mining is that it doesn't matter that RX 470/480 are not downright winners against the GTX1060 because it's just a matter of time before they generate enough $ to earn a free GTX1070/1080/Titan X/Vega CF, etc. RX 470/480 can be views as just a GPGPU tool that has the ability to make $ which in turn can be used for whatever the person desires (i.e., for instance buying a free Vega in 2017). Given that 70%+ of NV's userbase is still on pre-Maxwell GPUs and 80% or NV's customers have GPU slower than a GTX970/1060, I bet if someone came to teh house of most NV users and set up mining and showed them how to make $ with AMD, they'd never buy an NV card until mining exists since the alternative would be free hardware from AMD.
Would you care if the Honda Civic isn't as good as a Porsche 911 GT3 RS on a track? If you could rent out 20-30 Honda Civics to enough customers to afford a Porsche 911 GT3 RS for free in 12 months from now, then Honda Civic is just a stop-gap tool to make $ for a 911 GT3 RS. Since this is a technical forum, any way to get top of the line hardware to those who can't easily afford it is on the table --- mining/crypto-currency makes it happen since at least 2008.
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Another point you missed is that prices are evolving over the duration of the GPU generation which tends to last 2 years. It's only been a month or 2 since RX 470/480/1060 launches which means worldwide prices of these cards are not an indication of success or failure of any one of these products. We know that with AMD, their price cuts and rebates are more aggressive and it's just a matter of time before AMD will have the price/performance crown in the segment (not that this will matter since NV loyalists will continue to buy NV no matter what after seeing the crappy GTX560/GTX660/GTX760/950/960 sell like hot cakes over the years). Since NV has been able to outsell AMD despite having inferior x60 cards for 4-5 generations, you think it matters for squat that suddenly RX 480 isn't outright beating the 1060? No, not at all. Even if RX 480 beat 1060 by 10%, the 1060 would have outsold it anyway because NV as a brand attracts the masses.
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That fact is very frustrating considering that mentality has put AMD on the ropes and on the brink of exhaustion. I try to buy AMD when I can precisely because when they're gone you can expect Nividia products like a future 1160 card Selling for $350 msrp and $400 flounders edition because with no competition no one has anything to compare it to. Five eggs!
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Do you really think your $250 or whatever really matters to AMD's survival?
The only person I care about when I make a purchasing decision is me and my happiness. It's not my job to "help" AMD, NVIDIA, or whoever to see business success. It's their job to make products that I want to buy and if they succeed, they get my money. If they don't, then that's their problem, not mine.
They would be competing with their own cards, and at some point it could even mean better deals for the consumer if there wouldn't be that bad competition's offer excuse, and AMD hasn't been really trying to progress or compete latetly. I definitely wouldn't support a company which isn't even trying to make me a better offer than the competition although being behind, solely for a reason of keeping it afloat. It will always be AMD + NVidia vs the consumer, they are there to earn money off of you. That's why fanboys of either brand are just a really dumb people.
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I agree that people should buy what is best. With AMD being the better long term choice them being the underdog is like a cherry on top to me.
I ordered the Sapphire Nitro+ 100407NT+8GOCL. It runs at the same clock speed and memory as the regular RX 480, so it's just the 256 streams less. It is the same price as the base RX 480, but the RX 480 is still hard to come by plus it has the custom cooling and an 8-pin connector. I'll see how it does in a few days.
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railven
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Pretty much what I feel right now. I've thrown money at ATI/AMD for years. They've decided to move away from my performance bracket. That's cool. If Nvidia wants to cater to my buying habits, welps guess they'll get my money from now on.
It really is interesting to see the miners vs gamers angles around here lately, though.
Wrong.
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-460-performance-review-leaked/
RX 460 is getting nailed by GTX 950 on vulkan and DX12. But some users recent post and they tend to always overhype AMD products.
Arachnotronic
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Just as a number of users recommending FE (edition) cards & then trying to justify the superior perf/$ that Nvidia cards supposedly bring, with their non FE prices
There is no FE edition of GTX 950 and you can get around $110. The reason why AMD do not have high end GPUs is because their products always get over hyped by their fans and look where is AMD now and nvidia is.Just as a number of users recommending FE (edition) cards & then trying to justify the superior perf/$ that Nvidia cards supposedly bring, with their non FE prices
I posted a new thread, but honestly with the GPU prices here a 950 is 40-50% cheaper than Pascal or Polaris 1060/470. I didn't buy one 4 months back, but with the whacked out pricing should I wait longer or just pick up a cheap Asus model? The 460 looks like rubbish in comparison. Interested in 1080p with at least 40FPS with a mix of settings (as long as it ain't low everything).
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460s available on the egg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._mmc=EMC-GD080816-_-index-_-Item-_-14-202-228
$119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._mmc=EMC-GD080816-_-index-_-Item-_-14-202-228
$119.99
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_460_strix_gaming_4gb_review,1.html
Faster than GTX 960 and close to 50% faster on average than GTX 950 in DX-12/Vulkan
RX 460 faster than GTX 950/960 in Doom even with OpenGL.
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460 should be 1024 GCN cores imo. RX 480 is for all practical purposes unavailable at $250 or below. RX470 would be OK if it was at suggested retail price of $180.
Just missed out on the last $250 480 at my local box store on Friday. They said they don't know when they will come in, supplies are so tight they just get mixed in with all the lower tier Radeon shipments. Meanwhile they had 1060s available despite the high demand.
I remember reading about how GF is using Samsung's 14nm FF but with the caveat they were going to reuse as much of their existing wafer production equipment as possible to save money. Looks like that is once again hurting AMD's launches. Wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year we see improved efficiency and clocking out of newer runs of these chips as GF refines their process.
Guess I'll just cave and buy at least one overpriced RX 470, since even overpriced 480s are tough to find, and mine to offset.
Vega better impress if RTG wants to move past these current and historical bad consumer impressions.
Just missed out on the last $250 480 at my local box store on Friday. They said they don't know when they will come in, supplies are so tight they just get mixed in with all the lower tier Radeon shipments. Meanwhile they had 1060s available despite the high demand.
I remember reading about how GF is using Samsung's 14nm FF but with the caveat they were going to reuse as much of their existing wafer production equipment as possible to save money. Looks like that is once again hurting AMD's launches. Wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year we see improved efficiency and clocking out of newer runs of these chips as GF refines their process.
Guess I'll just cave and buy at least one overpriced RX 470, since even overpriced 480s are tough to find, and mine to offset.
Vega better impress if RTG wants to move past these current and historical bad consumer impressions.
Totally wrong and rubbish. This card is market for MMO games and fail to deliver on those games end of story. You can tell or hype any way you like but the truth is that it failed ,in which AMD marketed for.http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_460_strix_gaming_4gb_review,1.html
Faster than GTX 960 and close to 50% faster on average than GTX 950 in DX-12/Vulkan
RX 460 faster than GTX 950/960 in Doom even with OpenGL.
Hexus review here:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/95359-sapphire-radeon-rx-460-nitro-4gb/?page=5
Seems to trade blows with the GTX950.
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/95359-sapphire-radeon-rx-460-nitro-4gb/?page=5
Seems to trade blows with the GTX950.
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