Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SynthesisIAnd you're an... 'Elite Member'?And you are the banned Troll StattlichPassat. Good bye!
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Like I said earlier, it's just semantics. But calling it "morally criminal" is taking it a bit far. Those kids are right to take issue with the award...more to follow.The award should be discontinued because one of the provisions of it seem to be that members of an entire race are not eligible to win. Imagine how quick we'd all hear about it and how enraged we'd all be if a school started offering an outstanding student award and said that black kids were ineligible to win.I feel sorry for black slaves just like I feel sorry for the Aztecs and Armenians and Jews.
Did Asian American kids face discrimination 50 years ago? Probably...
What's keeping a high school from giving out an Asian American only award?Well then I must be stupid
They were just the symptom to the disease. They're right to be unhappy.
From my earlier post...
Black kids could understand the unfairness and counter-productive effect of having a blacks-only award if their peers discussed it with them. If the 16-year old white kid and his moron friends knew what the problem with the award was, they should have been permitted to discuss it with the 56 black kids in the school and convince them why it was not a good idea.
They become a part of the problem when they keep finding ways to mutate the disease. It's monumentally stupid of a parent to teach their kid to mock something they disagree with instead of showing them how it can be resolved in a civil manner. Effectively, you are saying that white people don't know how to fix the problem and expect black people to keel over and ignore the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination so everybody can be equal today. While I agree that black people should pause for a moment and see the negative effect reverse-discrimination has, white people are not absolved of their responsibilities either - especially not when kids like this find new depths of intellectual paucity. A few of the people that have posted in this thread find this problem funny. That is a sentiment I cannot make myself dumb enough to understand.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Like I said earlier, it's just semantics. But calling it "morally criminal" is taking it a bit far. Those kids are right to take issue with the award...more to follow.The award should be discontinued because one of the provisions of it seem to be that members of an entire race are not eligible to win. Imagine how quick we'd all hear about it and how enraged we'd all be if a school started offering an outstanding student award and said that black kids were ineligible to win.I feel sorry for black slaves just like I feel sorry for the Aztecs and Armenians and Jews.
Did Asian American kids face discrimination 50 years ago? Probably...
What's keeping a high school from giving out an Asian American only award?Well then I must be stupid
They were just the symptom to the disease. They're right to be unhappy.
From my earlier post...
Black kids could understand the unfairness and counter-productive effect of having a blacks-only award if their peers discussed it with them. If the 16-year old white kid and his moron friends knew what the problem with the award was, they should have been permitted to discuss it with the 56 black kids in the school and convince them why it was not a good idea.
They become a part of the problem when they keep finding ways to mutate the disease. It's monumentally stupid of a parent to teach their kid to mock something they disagree with instead of showing them how it can be resolved in a civil manner. Effectively, you are saying that white people don't know how to fix the problem and expect black people to keel over and ignore the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination so everybody can be equal today. While I agree that black people should pause for a moment and see the negative effect reverse-discrimination has, white people are not absolved of their responsibilities either - especially not when kids like this find new depths of intellectual paucity. A few of the people that have posted in this thread find this problem funny. That is a sentiment I cannot make myself dumb enough to understand.
What is to discusse everyone knews to is wrong to give out rewards or privliages based on race. What better way to convice people that having an award for African-American is dumb then have a white kid win it. They are simple protesting what they see as wrong.
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Like I said earlier, it's just semantics. But calling it "morally criminal" is taking it a bit far. Those kids are right to take issue with the award...more to follow.The award should be discontinued because one of the provisions of it seem to be that members of an entire race are not eligible to win. Imagine how quick we'd all hear about it and how enraged we'd all be if a school started offering an outstanding student award and said that black kids were ineligible to win.I feel sorry for black slaves just like I feel sorry for the Aztecs and Armenians and Jews.
Did Asian American kids face discrimination 50 years ago? Probably...
What's keeping a high school from giving out an Asian American only award?Well then I must be stupid
They were just the symptom to the disease. They're right to be unhappy.
From my earlier post...
Black kids could understand the unfairness and counter-productive effect of having a blacks-only award if their peers discussed it with them. If the 16-year old white kid and his moron friends knew what the problem with the award was, they should have been permitted to discuss it with the 56 black kids in the school and convince them why it was not a good idea.
They become a part of the problem when they keep finding ways to mutate the disease. It's monumentally stupid of a parent to teach their kid to mock something they disagree with instead of showing them how it can be resolved in a civil manner. Effectively, you are saying that white people don't know how to fix the problem and expect black people to keel over and ignore the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination so everybody can be equal today. While I agree that black people should pause for a moment and see the negative effect reverse-discrimination has, white people are not absolved of their responsibilities either - especially not when kids like this find new depths of intellectual paucity. A few of the people that have posted in this thread find this problem funny. That is a sentiment I cannot make myself dumb enough to understand.
What is to discusse everyone knews to is wrong to give out rewards or privliages based on race. What better way to convice people that having an award for African-American is dumb then have a white kid win it. They are simple protesting what they see as wrong.
The point is that it wasn't a protest. They were mocking the award.
And what is to discuss? A lot. Despite your assertion that "everyone" knows it's wrong to give out rewards on the basis of race, it happens all the time today. And not just by minorities, for that matter.
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Like I said earlier, it's just semantics. But calling it "morally criminal" is taking it a bit far. Those kids are right to take issue with the award...more to follow.The award should be discontinued because one of the provisions of it seem to be that members of an entire race are not eligible to win. Imagine how quick we'd all hear about it and how enraged we'd all be if a school started offering an outstanding student award and said that black kids were ineligible to win.I feel sorry for black slaves just like I feel sorry for the Aztecs and Armenians and Jews.
Did Asian American kids face discrimination 50 years ago? Probably...
What's keeping a high school from giving out an Asian American only award?Well then I must be stupid
They were just the symptom to the disease. They're right to be unhappy.
From my earlier post...
Black kids could understand the unfairness and counter-productive effect of having a blacks-only award if their peers discussed it with them. If the 16-year old white kid and his moron friends knew what the problem with the award was, they should have been permitted to discuss it with the 56 black kids in the school and convince them why it was not a good idea.
They become a part of the problem when they keep finding ways to mutate the disease. It's monumentally stupid of a parent to teach their kid to mock something they disagree with instead of showing them how it can be resolved in a civil manner. Effectively, you are saying that white people don't know how to fix the problem and expect black people to keel over and ignore the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination so everybody can be equal today. While I agree that black people should pause for a moment and see the negative effect reverse-discrimination has, white people are not absolved of their responsibilities either - especially not when kids like this find new depths of intellectual paucity. A few of the people that have posted in this thread find this problem funny. That is a sentiment I cannot make myself dumb enough to understand.
What is to discusse everyone knews to is wrong to give out rewards or privliages based on race. What better way to convice people that having an award for African-American is dumb then have a white kid win it. They are simple protesting what they see as wrong.
The point is that it wasn't a protest. They were mocking the award.
And what is to discuss? A lot. Despite your assertion that "everyone" knows it's wrong to give out rewards on the basis of race, it happens all the time today. And not just by minorities, for that matter.
So your saying the right thing to do is have rewards based solely on the color of some one skin. That sounds racist to me. How doesn't knew being racist is wrong?
Sound like a protest to me, a petition along with a hundred flyers. Besides what is wrong with mocking a racist award?
How profound is the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination?
In high school and college, I mentored and tutored black kids (as well as kids of other races). Oddly enough, the following conversation never took place:
Bobby: I got a 67% on my test
Me: Oh no! What happened?
Bobby: Slavery
and I'm certain I would have been slapped had the following conversation ever taken place
Bobby's Mom: It's great that you volunteer to help out kids like my little Bobby
Me: Yup. I know that 300 years of slavery and 20th century segregation in the South seriously handicaps Bobby's chances of succeeding.
Like I said--they're laughing at semantics.
Joe: You're not an African American
Fred: I'm of African origin, living in America.
Joe: You're a cock
Fred: I'm not a rooster
Ha ha. Semantics...
p.s. It's stupid to offer an award where one of the criteria is race
Not quite true. if that were so Paulson would not ever have made elite, explain his elevation to me please.
There were several members that when the new forum came on line immidiatly had 2000 posts and if you were around you would have remembered that, One of them was Russ.
Bleep
I think it is insensitive to act as if this wouldn't bother the black students of the school. I don't like awards based on race either, but "protests" like this inflames more people than it reaches. You don't tick people off and expect them to see your side. They should have used logic and conducted themselves a bit better for being 15-18 year olds.
It seemed it was more of a gee golly we found a loophole and let's be immature about it type of thing rather than a serious sarcastic protest.
It seemed it was more of a gee golly we found a loophole and let's be immature about it type of thing rather than a serious sarcastic protest.
How profound is the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination?
Everything you said after this statement is meaningless, especially the imaginary conversations that magically proved a negative by their non-occurence. So, I won't bother responding. But just to make sure I understood you right, according to you:
1. Blacks are exaggerating the effects of racism by claiming they still need assistance to catch up with whites
2. It is funny how they use semantics to defend their exaggerations.
Right?
Everything you said after this statement is meaningless, especially the imaginary conversations that magically proved a negative by their non-occurence. So, I won't bother responding. But just to make sure I understood you right, according to you:
1. Blacks are exaggerating the effects of racism by claiming they still need assistance to catch up with whites
2. It is funny how they use semantics to defend their exaggerations.
Right?
Nah you dont have to hide just put your head back in where you took it out of and it will be ok.
Bleep
1. No, you're exaggerating it for them. I should hope they don't feel they need assistance to "catch up"
2. No, it is funny that the school made an error in semantics (Using "African American" instead of "Black") that was exploitable.
And if my imaginary conversations are useless, please provide a genuine conversation that proves the positive...
2. No, it is funny that the school made an error in semantics (Using "African American" instead of "Black") that was exploitable.
And if my imaginary conversations are useless, please provide a genuine conversation that proves the positive...
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: CWRMadcat
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Like I said earlier, it's just semantics. But calling it "morally criminal" is taking it a bit far. Those kids are right to take issue with the award...more to follow.The award should be discontinued because one of the provisions of it seem to be that members of an entire race are not eligible to win. Imagine how quick we'd all hear about it and how enraged we'd all be if a school started offering an outstanding student award and said that black kids were ineligible to win.I feel sorry for black slaves just like I feel sorry for the Aztecs and Armenians and Jews.
Did Asian American kids face discrimination 50 years ago? Probably...
What's keeping a high school from giving out an Asian American only award?Well then I must be stupid
They were just the symptom to the disease. They're right to be unhappy.
From my earlier post...
Black kids could understand the unfairness and counter-productive effect of having a blacks-only award if their peers discussed it with them. If the 16-year old white kid and his moron friends knew what the problem with the award was, they should have been permitted to discuss it with the 56 black kids in the school and convince them why it was not a good idea.
They become a part of the problem when they keep finding ways to mutate the disease. It's monumentally stupid of a parent to teach their kid to mock something they disagree with instead of showing them how it can be resolved in a civil manner. Effectively, you are saying that white people don't know how to fix the problem and expect black people to keel over and ignore the psychological impact of centuries of racial discrimination so everybody can be equal today. While I agree that black people should pause for a moment and see the negative effect reverse-discrimination has, white people are not absolved of their responsibilities either - especially not when kids like this find new depths of intellectual paucity. A few of the people that have posted in this thread find this problem funny. That is a sentiment I cannot make myself dumb enough to understand.
What is to discusse everyone knews to is wrong to give out rewards or privliages based on race. What better way to convice people that having an award for African-American is dumb then have a white kid win it. They are simple protesting what they see as wrong.
The point is that it wasn't a protest. They were mocking the award.
And what is to discuss? A lot. Despite your assertion that "everyone" knows it's wrong to give out rewards on the basis of race, it happens all the time today. And not just by minorities, for that matter.
So your saying the right thing to do is have rewards based solely on the color of some one skin. That sounds racist to me. How doesn't knew being racist is wrong?
Sound like a protest to me, a petition along with a hundred flyers. Besides what is wrong with mocking a racist award?
I don't see where I made any indication that there should be rewards based solely on the color of skin. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
What's wrong with mocking a "racist" award? It's not constructive. All you're doing is creating animosity, and to no positive end. If you have issues with something, conduct yourself in a positive manner, and make your demands clear without behaving like children fighting in a sandbox.
i remember one time i was thinking of checking the "American Indian" box on my application for college. But, I chickened out, and was then stuck in the highly competitive "Asian/Pacific Islander" category.
As if that category is underrepresented in institutions of higher learning
i think this is all bogus. i know asians who are dirt poor and discriminated against just like any other minority, yet they dont' get jack, and have to compete with other asians.
As if that category is underrepresented in institutions of higher learning
i think this is all bogus. i know asians who are dirt poor and discriminated against just like any other minority, yet they dont' get jack, and have to compete with other asians.
Exactly...why haven't we ever heard of any high schools giving out an award for "Outstanding Asian American Student?"
Way back when I was in high school, the winner of the "Outstanding Asian American Student" award probably would have been the winner of the "Outstanding Student" award...if either existed...
And thinking back, our class was pretty top-heavy but the girl who would have most likely won it was, in fact, dirt poor...SherEPunjab spoke the truth...
From what study? Everything I've seen doesn't show that trend. Does it take into account the number of family members working? What hours?
And asians are plenty discriminated against, even though people refer to asians as model minorities, it's not much of a complement to asians.
Cool...I love when the ends explain the means
It couldn't possibly be the case that those Asian Americans worked harder or anything, right?
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Cool...I love when the ends explain the means
It couldn't possibly be the case that those Asian Americans or worked harder or anything, right?
The main reason for the higher then average pay for Asians is we only import the smart ones.
Cool, I've always said that we only imported the hard-working ones(i.e. it's hard work getting from a farm village in the Philippines to the US and only a hard worker would want to do it) but "smart" isn't too far offOriginally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Cool...I love when the ends explain the means
It couldn't possibly be the case that those Asian Americans or worked harder or anything, right?
The main reason for the higher then average pay for Asians is we only import the smart ones.
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It's good to be black in the sciences. When applying at the national labs about 10 years ago, both my friend and I were chemistry graduates..I had a 3.85 he was about the same at 3.4x.. anyway I applied to each one from livermore to sandia and I had previous secret clearance being in the navy as an electronic warfare tech, plus I'm disabled vet...anyway he did'nt have any, only applied to just one lab, livermore, and low and behold he was contacted by all and interviewed by several. They basically broadcast his resume to everyone. Times hav'nt changed afiak, were I work now we are "encourged" every quarter to seek black hirees. I did'nt even get a bite.
Anyone have any stats on white people claiming to be African-American when applying to colleges?
There are awards/scholarships/organizations for all types of 'races' or nationalities. I was walking down the street and they had a poster up for bringing in European students to the US and giving them scholarships to study here.
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