White House to Push Gun Control

[HAL9000]

The Assault Weapons Ban was allowed to sunset, which means it went away, and the streets didn't run red with blood because the entirety of it was based on lies, and stupidity, which people like you lapped up.

How is "banning guns" going to stop criminals from getting guns? I'd love to hear your answer, but you don't have one that doesn't involve fairies and unicorns.

My answer is that, when you remove the supply from a country over time it becomes far far far more difficult for criminals to get hold of banned items. Look at the UK, perfect example of how it works.

 

[Zebo]

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[xj0hnx]

My answer is that, when you remove the supply from a country over time it becomes far far far more difficult for criminals to get hold of banned items. Look at the UK, perfect example of how it works.

The UK isn't an example of anything. There's the fairies and unicorns I was talking about. There are estimated to be slightly more guns than people in the US, so no, banning them will do absolutely nothing. Criminals that can't purchase them now have no problem at all getting them, they also don't have problems getting other illegal things like metric tons of cocaine, your whole idea is a failure. Not too mention we actually have a right to own them, while you only have the privilege.

 

[HAL9000]

The UK isn't an example of anything. There's the fairies and unicorns I was talking about. There are estimated to be slightly more guns than people in the US, so no, banning them will do absolutely nothing. Not too mention we actually have a right to own them, while you only have the privilege.

IT would do something, it would make them illegal, the police could remove guns from anyone with a registered gun, then the ratio of guns to people would change.

The UK is an example of a country where guns are illegal.

The UK != Fairies or Unicorns....

 

[xj0hnx]

IT would do something, it would make them illegal, the police could remove guns from anyone with a registered gun, then the ratio of guns to people would change.

The UK is an example of a country where guns are illegal.

The UK != Fairies or Unicorns....

Yes, the UK does equal fairies and unicorns when it comes to your deluded ideas of gun control. It would do nothing what so ever. Here's the thing ...guns are never going to be illegal in the US, never. There aren't that many "registered" owners, the only truly "registered owners are those that have Class III firearms that can't be transferred without government approval. You are truly clueless.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes, the UK does equal fairies and unicorns when it comes to your deluded ideas of gun control. It would do nothing what so ever. Here's the thing ...guns are never going to be illegal in the US, never. There aren't that many "registered" owners, the only truly "registered owners are those that have Class III firearms that can't be transferred without government approval. You are truly clueless.

I may not know everything about US law, but I know enough about living in a country without guns, why you guys seem to think that it's deluded to want to live in a country where everyone else isn't carrying a loaded weapon is retarded to me.

 

[Unheard]

IT would do something, it would make them illegal, the police could remove guns from anyone with a registered gun, then the ratio of guns to people would change.

The UK is an example of a country where guns are illegal.

The UK != Fairies or Unicorns....

You live on a fucking island. You don't have a shithole country to the south of you where illegal items are smuggled in across the border every day. The ban in the UK worked because there was no viable way of getting them into the country.

The US has banned drugs, look how well that has worked. Moron.

And what the fuck do you care what's going on over here? Deal with your own shit. We kicked your ass once, don't think we wont do it again for good measure.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The UK != Fairies or Unicorns....

No, it is just a squatter's paradise: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ecorators-and-squatters-took-over-my-house.do


I think I better get my butt in gear and get my AR15 in case something looney happens and this "gun control" succeeds.

 

[thraashman]

My sig shows you are clueless as fuck when it comes to anything gun or gun control related.

You can say what you want Nick, but you're one of the unstable retards I'm referring to.

 

[Genx87]

My answer is that, when you remove the supply from a country over time it becomes far far far more difficult for criminals to get hold of banned items. Look at the UK, perfect example of how it works.

Right, that worked so well in history with other items like alcohol and drugs.

 

[HAL9000]

You live on a fucking island. You don't have a shithole country to the south of you where illegal items are smuggled in across the border every day. The ban in the UK worked, because there was no viable way of getting them into the country.

The US has banned drugs, look how well that has worked. Moron.

And what the fuck do you care what's going on over here? Deal with your own shit. We kicked your ass once, don't think we wouldn't do it again for good measure.

Shut the fuck up, don't come in here and start shouting and swearing at me, talk to me like a human being and I'll respond. Moron.

No, it is just a squatter's paradise: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...ecorators-and-squatters-took-over-my-house.do

I knew someone would bring that up, two things, It's wrong, it's rare and I would rather have 0.0024% of my country be squatters than have 25% of my country own guns

I think I better get my butt in gear and get my AR15 in case something looney happens and this "gun control" succeeds.

 

[HAL9000]

Right, that worked so well in history with other items like alcohol and drugs.

I agree, it would be difficult. It would be possible though, put it this way the first thing that would happen is everyone owning a gun would be a criminal, good start. Second everyone caught with a gun would be arrested and the gun destroyed, good start, thirdly any registered guns would be impounded and destroyed, good start, it would cut down the gun crime a lot. Good start.

 

[Unheard]

Shut the fuck up, don't come in here and start shouting and swearing at me, talk to me like a human being and I'll respond. Moron.

Oh, so sorry, perhaps we shall discuss it over tea and crumpets.

Again, the only reason the UK's ban worked is because you live on an island. No bordering countries means you don't have to deal with foot smugglers bringing in illegal items. The US is not the UK (thank god).

thirdly any registered guns would be impounded and destroyed, good start, it would cut down the gun crime a lot. Good start.

Gun registration is a state by state item. All my guns were purchased in a free state, with no registration. So good luck tracking them down.

 

[thraashman]

Right, that worked so well in history with other items like alcohol and drugs.

Your point is a very valid point. Banning guns is by no means the right way to go. Though the classic gun nut line of "if you make guns illegal only criminals will have guns" doesn't really work either. It'd actually be more like as you point out how banning drugs and alcohol works. It's more like if you make guns illegal you force a large portion of the population to be criminals. However, gun control can work, it just has to make sense in how it's implemented. Banning anything outright will never function, but common sense controls, regulations, and registrations would be somewhere to start. We have to have a car registration and license and cars purpose isn't to kill people but in irresponsible hands they can. Guns purpose is to kill and yet many resist any form of licensing and registering.

 

[HAL9000]

Oh, so sorry, perhaps we shall discuss it over tea and crumpets.

Again, the only reason the UK's ban worked is because you live on an island. No bordering countries means you don't have to deal with foot smugglers bringing in illegal items. The US is not the UK (thank god).

I'll grant you thats definitely the reason that we can have a total ban that works, but by making gun's illegal your gun deaths would drop dramatically, because all those deaths where people kill family members accidentally with legally purchased guns would disappear.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'll grant you thats definitely the reason that we can have a total ban that works, but by making gun's illegal your gun deaths would drop dramatically, because all those deaths where people kill family members accidentally with legally purchased guns would disappear.

Yes, I read about hundreds of people accidentally shooting and killing their family members every day.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes, I read about hundreds of people accidentally shooting and killing their family members every day.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[4] The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907 suicides in the United States during 2004.[6]

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Non fatal, but still a big issue

Fatal:

0.59 per 100,000.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

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Non fatal, but still a big issue

So if someone is going to commit suicide, you don't think that they'll do it anyway regardless of whether or not they have a gun?

 

[Unheard]

I'll grant you thats definitely the reason that we can have a total ban that works, but by making gun's illegal your gun deaths would drop dramatically, because all those deaths where people kill family members accidentally with legally purchased guns would disappear.

You know, you are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than accidently killed by a family member with a gun. I guess we should go ahead and ban drunk driving. Wait, that's been covered. Let's just ban cars!

 

[dmcowen674]

Politics, he is pushing this to rally his base. Nothing to see here.

Not true

I blame the finger not the trigger.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Obama is a fool. It will never pass because of the House and he will only piss off gun owners.

Lose/Lose

Have you read anything at all about what they are proposing to do?
Or just anything that has anything to do with gun control is automatically bad?

My understanding is that this will only apply to mentally unstable people, probably including people on anti psychotic medication, etc... I am a gun owner, and I think it would be best if people who are not in control of their facilities do not own/have guns legally.

The less "troublemakers" who legally have guns, the less legal gun owners look to be "bad", and the less there is for the gun control freaks to stand on.

It's called being rational. Use your brain, and think about things before instantly deciding that something is bad/evil and it's all Obama's fault. Otherwise, you just look like a fool.

 

[HAL9000]

So if someone is going to commit suicide, you don't think that they'll do it anyway regardless of whether or not they have a gun?

Fair point:

Fatal accidental gun deaths in 2004:

0.59 per 100,000.

That's a lot.

You know, you are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than accidently killed by a family member with a gun. I guess we should go ahead and ban drunk driving. Wait, that's been covered. Let's just ban cars!

Hmmm.. Banning cars != banning guns.

Drunk driving arrests do reduce drunk driving deaths... So yeah, ban guns.

 

[JD50]

Fair point:

Fatal accidental gun deaths in 2004:

0.59 per 100,000.

That's a lot.



Hmmm.. Banning cars != banning guns.

Drunk driving arrests do reduce drunk driving deaths... So yeah, ban guns.

It's already illegal to carry a firearm while drinking. Next!

 

[Genx87]

I agree, it would be difficult. It would be possible though, put it this way the first thing that would happen is everyone owning a gun would be a criminal, good start. Second everyone caught with a gun would be arrested and the gun destroyed, good start, thirdly any registered guns would be impounded and destroyed, good start, it would cut down the gun crime a lot. Good start.

Yeah, that is a really good start. Turn the majority of your population into criminals overnight. Brilliant fucking plan. Crime stats have no correlation with the amount of guns. Terrible logic, terrible start, terrible overall plan.

 

[nick1985]

Look at the UK, perfect example of how it works.

Thats how it...works?