blackangst1
Lifer
Reading comprehension = fail. Not even in the ballpark to what I wrote.
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White house ready to drop public option.
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Reading comprehension = fail. Not even in the ballpark to what I wrote.
blackangst1
Lifer
I very clearly and succinctly stated my opinion. If you fail to understand, Im sorry.
blackangst1
Lifer
And I agree also. I think the Dems had a good opportunity, and Im not quite sure its blown. But what they were proposing, as a package, is just wrong. The good thing is people (and senators) are talking about it, which is a step in the right direction.
blackangst1
Lifer
I propose a $1000 paypal bet I can find at least 2 other sources stating the same thing. Bet?
How quickly we forget. Can you say Bill Kristol, Johnny?
Since 1993 the entire GOP focus has been to protect health insurance companies and their heavy % yearly increases.
Monkeywrenching healthcare reform is especially sacred to the neocons--they revel in that shit.
If they can confuse people enough to get them out to "Town Hall tea-bagging Meetings" to -essentialy and inexplicably- lobby for the corrupt healthcare insurers, so much the sweeter.
These fvckers are smugly laughing out-loud at all American citizens, especially the dupes that argue against their very own interest.
blackangst1
Lifer
How so? I never called it death panels, but used it as a vague refrence to a poster before me who called it such (and you wont find ONE post of mine on this board claiming they are death panels) talking about the 5 year consolt that was being proposed.
Not sure where the confusion is. I stated I support the idea the Dems were pushing, but thought they fucked up the delivery. Whats so confusing about that?
blackangst1
Lifer
Sure, 5 posts later now that Ive cornered you on it.
Amateur.
blackangst1
Lifer
And thats the problem right there. The Dems think that the GOP sees Palin as a "leader". AFAK, they dont. She is nobody now. A year ago, perhaps. In fact, the majority of the GOP, myself included, thinks she blew the whole thing out of proportion. Then along come the Dramaquee...oops...Democrats and think some leader of the GOP is calling them death camps.
/shakes head
Whatever man. If you want to believe the GOP sees her as a leader, feel free. But thinking doesnt make it so. She's irrelevant.
sciwizam
Golden Member
It seems like an another misspeak episode.
Administration Official : "Sebelius Misspoke"
I got one thing to say : Bullshit reason for confidentiality. In order to provide clarity they must remain anonymous. :roll:
Administration Official : "Sebelius Misspoke"
I got one thing to say : Bullshit reason for confidentiality. In order to provide clarity they must remain anonymous. :roll:
http://thehill.com/leading-the...option-2009-08-16.html
President Barack Obama himself on Saturday suggested he won?t insist on a public option.
'The public option, whether we have it or we don?t have it, is not the entirety of healthcare reform," ...
It must really anger some of the more liberal posters here that not even the most liberal president we have had in a long time sees the heathcare issue as they do.
President Barack Obama himself on Saturday suggested he won?t insist on a public option.
'The public option, whether we have it or we don?t have it, is not the entirety of healthcare reform," ...
It must really anger some of the more liberal posters here that not even the most liberal president we have had in a long time sees the heathcare issue as they do.
Well Obama has said in the past that he thinks a single payer option is most certainly the best form of health care delivery (as is so obviously shown by all available data), but to shift the US to that immediately would be too big a change. I disagree with his stance, but it's certainly reasonable.
I think that if you look at our situation objectively you'll see that the US will become a single payer system sooner or later, as the evidence for it being the best system available is so overwhelming, and our system so broken, that it will eventually give in to the pressures of reality regardless of the right's attempts to stop it. Just a matter of time, really.
sportage
Lifer
And at what point will it matter?
When your company insurance either triples your premiums,
co pays, so that you can not afford care, or when you find yourself
unemployed with no healthcare?
"It doesn?t matter" is not only the wrong attitude, but ones famous last words.
Everyone's... "EVERYONE'S" premiums, co pays and out of pocket is about to
increase to amounts never imagined, if reform fails.
A lot of people with a good job, good company healthcare, will be forced to drop
coverage in order to afford gas, food, and the mortgage. Its coming!
The insurance companies have and are spending huge amounts to buy congress,
buy propaganda, mislead American's.
Do you really believe they will not soon seek to recover their expenses?
And guess who it is that will refresh the CIGNA money pot?
Look in the mirror... Its you.
And republicans thought death panels were to fear.
After CIGNA screws with your company healthcare costs, you'll
wish you had an appointment with that death panel.
And should you or yours become ill, really ill and need your healthcare,
you will experience CIGNA's death panel first hand.
NO ONE does a death panel better than our "healthcare for profit" insurance companies.
And those opponents who ranted at the town meetings will ask.. "was this the alternative?".
Silly silly people.
Banks raise fee's to recoop losses. Credit cards raise rates to recoop losses.
And healthcare for profit insurance companies??? Guess what they do... You'll find out.
Bowfinger
Lifer
Not Republican pressure, Republican fear mongering. Big difference. The pressure is coming from an inflamed public reacting irrationally to a propaganda campaign about "pulling the plug on Grandma" and similar lies and disinformation. It's the same tactic by the same slime machine that panicked Americans into invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
btw democrats used the same tactics to sumbmarine SS reform 4 years ago. Remember granny was going to lose her retirment savings to wall street greed and be forced onto the streets. Eventhough Bush's reform only affected people under 40 if they voluntarily opted into a privatized system. How soon we all forget.
One thing about the non-profit co-ops. It will put to sleep the idea "profits" are the problem in the system when they completely fail to slow the growth of costs within the system.
One thing about the non-profit co-ops. It will put to sleep the idea "profits" are the problem in the system when they completely fail to slow the growth of costs within the system.
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