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Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.
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heh

have you forgotten who voted 100% to not give blacks the right to vote? 😛

(hint: it wasnt the right)

(OT I know but you deserve it with your Rush = KKK shit)
 
its not a "few gop" Its all of the gop, all of the neocon talking heads, all of the health insurance lobbyist and it all resonates with people who think we are going to kill them, take their grandmothers and become Russia.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
its not a "few gop" Its all of the gop, all of the neocon talking heads, all of the health insurance lobbyist and it all resonates with people who think we are going to kill them, take their grandmothers and become Russia.
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So what youre saying is, the minority actually has power?

/laughing my ass off

Are you pissed coz the shit didnt pass or that the GOP apperantly as a minority has more power than the Dems?

/laughing my ass off
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
its not a "few gop" Its all of the gop, all of the neocon talking heads, all of the health insurance lobbyist and it all resonates with people who think we are going to kill them, take their grandmothers and become Russia.
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So what youre saying is, the minority actually has power?

/laughing my ass off

Are you pissed coz the shit didnt pass or that the GOP apperantly as a minority has more power than the Dems?

/laughing my ass off
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😕 wtf are you talking about? It has a little to do with the gop and a lot to do with the industry. The INDUSTRY of health insurance. The gop just jumped on board 20 years ago. The industry was able to get many dems to come on board as well and there you have it.

 
this is really dumb, you didn't like the plan, so now the plan will be changed, and you are just shit talking instead of being happy about it?
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: blackangst1
:thumsup:

Now lets see how the libs blame the GOP for this 😉
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Oh, you could start with a fearmongering campaign full of lies. "Pull the plug on Granndma" ring a bell?

This is what keeps pushing me away from the Republican Party. It's not just that the leadership is a bunch of lying and destructive slime balls -- both parties have that. It's that the party rank and file seem to celebrate the sliminess instead of being ashamed of it. You're proud of the way you drag America down.
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lol, one must be willingly blind to ignore the same thing from the D / lib party.
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I certainly won't pretend to know more than you about "willful blindness." You are the poster boy, after all. I will point out that you're dodging the subject which is how the GOP can be blamed for this. What do you always call anyone who disagrees with you and doesn't respond in exactly the way you think they should? Oh, that's right, Troll.

So tell me TROLLsortaGUY, where have you denounced Republicans like Palin and Grassley for lying out their asses to scare Americans? Where have you berated them for stooping to divisive, purely partisan bullshit like "Pulling the plug on Grandma?" Where have you EVER shown you have enough integrity or love for America to call out the RNC for their lies and destructive demagoguery (as opposed to "bu.. bu.. but Clinton" and "Yeah, well Libs are evil")? You and Black "Blatantly Lies" Angst are exactly the kind of partisan cheerleaders I was talking about. You should be ashamed of yourselves ... but you aren't because your moral code is an extremely myopic rationalization that the only things that matter are whatever is best for you personally and for you so-called "Party of Values."
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No, not dodging at all. I was addressing your willingly ignorant comment. Sorry you can't handle someone calling you out on your BS.

If you would have paid attention to last fall you twit - I was NOT supporting the GOP. I did NOT vote for McCain and have railed against much of what the GOP has done to water themselves down and abandoning Conservatism. But again, likely due to your willing ignorance you start spouting before thinking.
Lying? You want to whine about grassley? How about you look at your boy BHO and his lies about this supposed "reform". Do you forget the era when you and your lib comrades were whining about grandma eating dog food? Nah, you forget or apologize for the BS your side does just so you can make yourself feel better about supporting your pile of shit. I really don't care - I didn't and still don't support either pile of shit right now. I hope the GOP can get it's act together soon so I can actually support them, but time will tell.
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You realize that the modern "mainstream" republican party has to look over its left shoulder to see Mussolini right?
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and the modern Democratic party has to look in the mirror to see a Socialist party or is it a Neo-Marxist party?
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you mean the pary that can't even get together to support uhc? lol
 
ohh and to answer your other question. Nothing was voted on so nothing could of passed or not passed. We needed reform of this industry. So I am disappointed that a UHC type option is off the table. Without control over costs we are screwed. We are so unhealthy in this country it is disgusting. I can only take care of myself and believe me it hasn't escaped me how lucky i am to be healthy and i intend on working hard to make sure I can stay out of that system as much as possible.
 
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
this is really dumb, you didn't like the plan, so now the plan will be changed, and you are just shit talking instead of being happy about it?
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I don't think it matters. I honestly think this little war will be waged until the insurance industries profits are secure. They will try and give up nothing.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
this is really dumb, you didn't like the plan, so now the plan will be changed, and you are just shit talking instead of being happy about it?
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I don't think it matters. I honestly think this little war will be waged until the insurance industries profits are secure. They will try and give up nothing.
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I would think the insurance companies would want a public option because they can shed all the "unprofitable" folks off to the government.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.
Click to expand...

heh

have you forgotten who voted 100% to not give blacks the right to vote? 😛

(hint: it wasnt the right)

(OT I know but you deserve it with your Rush = KKK shit)
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the democrats used to be the conservative party.
 
Originally posted by: her209
I would think the insurance companies would want a public option because they can shed all the "unprofitable" folks off to the government.
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No they would fear healthy people taking these plans as well. They would rather people with pre existing conditions live in limbo until they are 65 and qualify for medicare then have a chance at losing market share to a "company" with 3% overhead.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The problem with almost all of these threads is that people immediately ignore what is proposed and make attacks on Democrats and Republicans. Rather than debate the merits (or lack thereof), we bring up Bush and Communism and whatever.

This was badly planned and executed. If politicians cannot competently present cogent facts about what they propose I must ask myself how can they be trusted with such an important task as health care?
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So we should do nothing?
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We ought to deal with the reality at hand and work to understand just what needs to be done (and what needs to be left alone) and then do something.

If you had a large amount to invest, would you put all of into a stock or group of stocks and then decide what to do with it?

Or, if you were to enter into a binding business agreement, would you not want to understand the details and implications before signing? Would should you cry out against anyone if you did not use ordinary wisdom in such matters and it worked against you?

Likewise, rather than engage in spurious diversions, go after the meat of the matter.

If a plan brought to the light can withstand scrutiny it will sell itself. If not then it's better left to die.

We don't hold our leaders accountable. We either accept at face value what they say or automatically discount it like Rush. Either this is a good idea or not. The onus is those who say it's for the best not to attack whatever system is in place, but point to what can be demonstrated as fact and use that as a justification.

So far, we have heard how broken the current system and there needs to be health care for all, but what does that mean in practice? So far neither Obama nor the Dems have been able to do so, because they have legislated in advance of determining precisely what needs to be done and have a policy of transparency about it.

 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I just hope whatever solution at this point includes something so people with preexisting conditions don't just die in the gutter or live with 200k of debt.
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FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!

Maybe you could tell people that Obamacare would cover health care after the looming terrorist attacks to garner some support.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh and to answer your other question. Nothing was voted on so nothing could of passed or not passed. We needed reform of this industry. So I am disappointed that a UHC type option is off the table. Without control over costs we are screwed. We are so unhealthy in this country it is disgusting. I can only take care of myself and believe me it hasn't escaped me how lucky i am to be healthy and i intend on working hard to make sure I can stay out of that system as much as possible.
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It's called personal responsibility, Democrats haven't heard of it.


You should call the White House and tell them to tell the Pillsburry Doughboy to stop eating so much and get his fat ass on a tread mill.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I just hope whatever solution at this point includes something so people with preexisting conditions don't just die in the gutter or live with 200k of debt.
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FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!

Maybe you could tell people that Obamacare would cover health care after the looming terrorist attacks to garner some support.
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so what are you saying? That it's not a problem?
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: her209
I would think the insurance companies would want a public option because they can shed all the "unprofitable" folks off to the government.
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No they would fear healthy people taking these plans as well. They would rather people with pre existing conditions live in limbo until they are 65 and qualify for medicare then have a chance at losing market share to a "company" with 3% overhead.
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You want the government to run health care because they have proven they can run anything.

 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I just hope whatever solution at this point includes something so people with preexisting conditions don't just die in the gutter or live with 200k of debt.
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FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!

Maybe you could tell people that Obamacare would cover health care after the looming terrorist attacks to garner some support.
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Maybe one day people will ask questions like:
Being without healthcare is potentially devastating. What can practically be done to mitigate losing a job and moving to another?

What can be done to prevent one from losing their homes and all they have in such circumstances?

How can we make changes improving coverage yet maintaining the integrity of provider care?

Is there a better system than we have yet seen? Could it be that government directed health care and the current system are not the way to go? Is it possible to create an extra-governmental body which is beholden to no party or corporation? Can we have a system guided by those willing to serve rather than by those driven by wealth or control? Why have we not seriously entertained some such idea?

We're caught in a self made dichotomy and have substituted dogma for creativity. We fail because we act in ways that guarantee it.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Maybe one day people will ask questions like:
Being without healthcare is potentially devastating. What can practically be done to mitigate losing a job and moving to another?
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One of the biggest things i hate about the current system is people are tied to jobs they don't like or want because they need health care.
 
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