White house ready to drop public option.

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: blackangst1
:thumsup:

Now lets see how the libs blame the GOP for this

Oh, you could start with a fearmongering campaign full of lies. "Pull the plug on Granndma" ring a bell?

This is what keeps pushing me away from the Republican Party. It's not just that the leadership is a bunch of lying and destructive slime balls -- both parties have that. It's that the party rank and file seem to celebrate the sliminess instead of being ashamed of it. You're proud of the way you drag America down.

lol, one must be willingly blind to ignore the same thing from the D / lib party.

Are you seriously suggesting that the democrats lob the same amount of slime as the republicans?

The fuck they dont lol

blinders.txt

I guess he's forgotten the lies about how the GOP is going to take old people's SS (theyve gotten alot of mileage on that)...or how Bush stole the election from Gore in the courts...when in fact it was GORE who requested a recount in the courts (lol) it goes on and on. I was an active Democrat for 20+ years before I woke the fuck up and realized they are the most hateful slanderous party in America. Next to the KKK that is.

Bolded for get your head out of your ass.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I was an active Democrat for 20+ years before I woke the fuck up and realized they are the most hateful slanderous party in America. Next to the KKK that is.

We can actually thank the Democratic Party for that group as well.

Both major parties suck.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And he huffs and he puffs and he spits out a bullshit straw man to avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC. The issue is not what the Dems CAN pass. It's what they have the political will to pass in the face of inflamed public opposition. What is fueling this opposition? There are many causes, of course, and many of them have some basis in truth, but the single biggest factor by far is the dishonest fear mongering and general disinformation campaign of the RNC and its shills. The Democrats in Congress, generally being a bunch of cowardly, power-hungry weasels too, aren't comfortable standing up to such public outcry. It would mean sticking their necks out, and it's so easier to capitulate and let the RNC corporate whores screw America again.

That's not to suggest the Health proposals floating around Congress are perfect. Far from it. Unfortunately for America, however, the GOP's swift boat tactics have drowned out any attempts at reasoned and constructive debate. Instead we get despicable lies about "pulling the plug on Grandma" which a whole bunch of slow-witted Americans swallow, having learned not a damned thing from the lies of the previous eight years.

So basically the Dem's are more concerned with their political careers than what they believe will truly benefit the American people. That's all you needed to say. It certainly isn't the Republican's fault that the Democrats running our country care more for themselves than their constituents. Silly liberals.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Sadly, I don't think that the "public option" really stood a chance of passing. There are just way too many people running the health insurance and drug industries with deep pockets who wanted it to fail, and they bought just enough moderate votes and negative PR to make it happen. :|

I'm curious what the new "co-op" alternative is going to be, though... At a minimum, I hope that it outlaws denying claims for pre-existing conditions, considering that both Republicans and Democrats were promising that reform during the 2008 campaign.

As incredible as it seems, you ought to be blaming the people who wrote the legislation for trying to ram it through without due consideration BEFORE legislating. Maybe I run in different circles, but the people I ask whom I associate with want pretty much the same as me. We want to know what the options are, what the consequences (good and bad) are likely to be, and how much we're talking in costs.

What we got was pretty much the equivalent response that asst. press sec. made when asked if they were keeping the emails and whatever contact information was submitted by citizens informing on others. Divert, ignore, and disparage those asking questions.

We heard "We'll take anything as long as there's a public option". Some of us are not for whatever crap is handed out. "How do you know it will be crap" you may say. Well we don't. We don't know much at all, but if it was so wonderful, there isn't a politician in DC who wouldn't be whoring the benefits.

Simply put the Democrats gave us no reason to trust them. Push, obfuscate and try to spin legitimate concerns into the same garbage bin as the nonsense ones.

No better than Bush and Iraq.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
snip

Ah yes. The "independent". Funny how so many of there are when both sides stink isnt it? I suppose you vote at least 70% indi too dont you? (of course you do). /roll eyes

Just as my opinion of you doesnt mean shit to you, yours doesnt me either; however, the most recent blackangst1 fuck up was in a healthcare thread where I mis-read an article about Taiwan's system (which I like) and for some reason didnt realize I ranted on financial numbers that were actually USA numbers. Im too lazy to find it, but its been in the last couple weeks. If you want to I'll put out a $1000 paypal bet on it right now if its that important to you.

Now back to the subject at hand. Your ADD and inability to comment on the post. You throw out this shit:

avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC

when the thread title is

White house ready to drop public option.

.

B...B....B....the Republicans!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: blackangst1
:thumsup:

Now lets see how the libs blame the GOP for this

Oh, you could start with a fearmongering campaign full of lies. "Pull the plug on Granndma" ring a bell?

This is what keeps pushing me away from the Republican Party. It's not just that the leadership is a bunch of lying and destructive slime balls -- both parties have that. It's that the party rank and file seem to celebrate the sliminess instead of being ashamed of it. You're proud of the way you drag America down.

lol, one must be willingly blind to ignore the same thing from the D / lib party.

Are you seriously suggesting that the democrats lob the same amount of slime as the republicans?

The fuck they dont lol

blinders.txt

I guess he's forgotten the lies about how the GOP is going to take old people's SS (theyve gotten alot of mileage on that)...or how Bush stole the election from Gore in the courts...when in fact it was GORE who requested a recount in the courts (lol) it goes on and on. I was an active Democrat for 20+ years before I woke the fuck up and realized they are the most hateful slanderous party in America. Next to the KKK that is.

Bolded for get your head out of your ass.

Ah my bad. Maybe I should qualify that. The Democratic party I belonged to up until about 18 months ago, of which I was fairly involved. Christ...you go to a local DNC meeting here and you would think it WAS the KKK. Cant keep the fuck on topic, and rail against the RNC is about all they do. Current admin is proof of that. Shit man they could have 536 Dem seats and still couldnt get shit passed.

Hows that?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And he huffs and he puffs and he spits out a bullshit straw man to avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC. The issue is not what the Dems CAN pass. It's what they have the political will to pass in the face of inflamed public opposition. What is fueling this opposition? There are many causes, of course, and many of them have some basis in truth, but the single biggest factor by far is the dishonest fear mongering and general disinformation campaign of the RNC and its shills. The Democrats in Congress, generally being a bunch of cowardly, power-hungry weasels too, aren't comfortable standing up to such public outcry. It would mean sticking their necks out, and it's so easier to capitulate and let the RNC corporate whores screw America again.

That's not to suggest the Health proposals floating around Congress are perfect. Far from it. Unfortunately for America, however, the GOP's swift boat tactics have drowned out any attempts at reasoned and constructive debate. Instead we get despicable lies about "pulling the plug on Grandma" which a whole bunch of slow-witted Americans swallow, having learned not a damned thing from the lies of the previous eight years.

So basically the Dem's are more concerned with their political careers than what they believe will truly benefit the American people. That's all you needed to say. It certainly isn't the Republican's fault that the Democrats running our country care more for themselves than their constituents. Silly liberals.

Silly Corn, trying to change the subject too. That our elected "leaders" (of both parties) are largely cowardly and self-serving is hardly news, nor is it the point. Feel free to start a thread on the failure of America's two-party system if you actually want to discuss it. I'm betting it's just a convenient dodge to avoid acknowledging the slimy tactics of your RNC.

 

[alchemize]

Good. Non-profit co-ops will be able to administer it at a very low cost, while increasing a competitive environment.

Oh, OP it's nowhere near 50 million uninsured. It's closer to 10-13 million depending on how you measure it.

I like the town-hall vibe in this thread

 

[ZeGermans]

if this was a townhall all our posts would be deleted except your and CSG's being in all caps and taking up an entire page per post.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
snip

Ah yes. The "independent". Funny how so many of there are when both sides stink isnt it? I suppose you vote at least 70% indi too dont you? (of course you do). /roll eyes

Just as my opinion of you doesnt mean shit to you, yours doesnt me either; however, the most recent blackangst1 fuck up was in a healthcare thread where I mis-read an article about Taiwan's system (which I like) and for some reason didnt realize I ranted on financial numbers that were actually USA numbers. Im too lazy to find it, but its been in the last couple weeks. If you want to I'll put out a $1000 paypal bet on it right now if its that important to you.

Not at all. I've had no reason or interest to pay attention to you and your reaction to being shown incorrect. I'll take your word for it. I've seen one blatant example of you refusing to admit dishonesty, but one example does not constitute a trend.

Now back to the subject at hand. Your ADD and inability to comment on the post. You throw out this shit:

avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC

when the thread title is

White house ready to drop public option.

.

B...B....B....the Republicans!

I think you'll find what you call "my ADD" is really your own inability or unwillingness to reason and follow an argument. You asked how the Republicans are responsible for this sorry state of affairs. I answered your question. It is certainly not the case that they are solely responsible. On the contrary, as I said, part of the problem is that our elected Republicrats and Demicans are generally cowardly and self-serving turds who are unwilling to stand up to an inflamed public. It is also true, however, that the public is so inflamed due to a slimy campaign of lies and disinformation by the RNC. They launched this campaign understanding all too well that their cowards across the aisle would cave if the public outcry was sufficiently loud. Predictably, it appears this cynical, anti-American tactic is working.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Evan
There will be a public option, get used to the idea.

Is this denial?

UHC was never on the table, and the "public option" appears to be dead. Get used to the idea.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Evan
There will be a public option, get used to the idea.

Is this denial?

We may want to keep an eye on Evan, he sounds suicidal.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
if this was a townhall all our posts would be deleted except your and CSG's being in all caps and taking up an entire page per post.

But if this was an Obama townhall only 13 year old girls (like you) could ask questions that Obama wrote.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
if this was a townhall all our posts would be deleted except your and CSG's being in all caps and taking up an entire page per post.

But if this was an Obama townhall only 13 year old girls (like you) could ask questions that Obama wrote.

If it were a Bush town hall, only loyal party members would even receive invitations.

 

[colonel]

everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.

 

[lupi]

so now we're entering the realm of reality and starting to talk about health insurance reform, which is were it the discussion should have been headed to start with.


oh, wasn't there some fine twit(s) running around here shouting it's on, the progressives are taking it to full government health care or bust. think that sound you're hearing is the dirigible you're riding on leaking air.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
And he huffs and he puffs and he spits out a bullshit straw man to avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC. The issue is not what the Dems CAN pass. It's what they have the political will to pass in the face of inflamed public opposition. What is fueling this opposition? There are many causes, of course, and many of them have some basis in truth, but the single biggest factor by far is the dishonest fear mongering and general disinformation campaign of the RNC and its shills. The Democrats in Congress, generally being a bunch of cowardly, power-hungry weasels too, aren't comfortable standing up to such public outcry. It would mean sticking their necks out, and it's so easier to capitulate and let the RNC corporate whores screw America again.

That's not to suggest the Health proposals floating around Congress are perfect. Far from it. Unfortunately for America, however, the GOP's swift boat tactics have drowned out any attempts at reasoned and constructive debate. Instead we get despicable lies about "pulling the plug on Grandma" which a whole bunch of slow-witted Americans swallow, having learned not a damned thing from the lies of the previous eight years.

So basically the Dem's are more concerned with their political careers than what they believe will truly benefit the American people. That's all you needed to say. It certainly isn't the Republican's fault that the Democrats running our country care more for themselves than their constituents. Silly liberals.

Silly Corn, trying to change the subject too. That our elected "leaders" (of both parties) are largely cowardly and self-serving is hardly news, nor is it the point. Feel free to start a thread on the failure of America's two-party system if you actually want to discuss it. I'm betting it's just a convenient dodge to avoid acknowledging the slimy tactics of your RNC.

What is this "changing the subject" accusation, I merely agreed with your bolded commentary above. What I don't agree with is that it is the Republican's fault that your silly liberal government lacks the backbone to act according to what they believe is in the best interests of our countrymen instead of their own self-interest. This has nothing to do with the Republican's at all. Perhaps the Dems have learned from the mistakes made during Bush's tenure when the Republican's passed plenty of unpopular legislation. Funny how the Pubs had the stones to pass their wish lists......

Sorry, but the Dem's pussification isn't the fault of the GOP. On the contrary, their lack of intestinal fortitude is what makes them liberal.

It is not the lion's fault freshly birthed wildebeest are easy prey.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.

Can you translate that into Standard English for those of us who aren't fully fluent in Gibberish?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.

Do you mean Robert Byrd, he is what the Democratic party is all about.

 

[colonel]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.

Can you translate that into Standard English for those of us who aren't fully fluent in Gibberish?

fluent in Gibberish? if you can understand "go fuc# yourself" you' ll be ok

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: colonel

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: colonel
everybody knew that going Congress away was the end of it, but the sad part is these KKK radicals like Rush Lim call the president "Hitler" and all conservatives love it, they are just full of shit like always did.

Can you translate that into Standard English for those of us who aren't fully fluent in Gibberish?

Can you translate that into Standard English for those of us who aren't fully fluent in Gibberish? if you can understand "go fuc# yourself" you' ll be ok

So you're every bit as eloquent as you are literate!

 

[JSt0rm]

I just hope whatever solution at this point includes something so people with preexisting conditions don't just die in the gutter or live with 200k of debt.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The problem with almost all of these threads is that people immediately ignore what is proposed and make attacks on Democrats and Republicans. Rather than debate the merits (or lack thereof), we bring up Bush and Communism and whatever.

This was badly planned and executed. If politicians cannot competently present cogent facts about what they propose I must ask myself how can they be trusted with such an important task as health care?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The problem with almost all of these threads is that people immediately ignore what is proposed and make attacks on Democrats and Republicans. Rather than debate the merits (or lack thereof), we bring up Bush and Communism and whatever.

This was badly planned and executed. If politicians cannot competently present cogent facts about what they propose I must ask myself how can they be trusted with such an important task as health care?

So we should do nothing?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
snip

Ah yes. The "independent". Funny how so many of there are when both sides stink isnt it? I suppose you vote at least 70% indi too dont you? (of course you do). /roll eyes

Just as my opinion of you doesnt mean shit to you, yours doesnt me either; however, the most recent blackangst1 fuck up was in a healthcare thread where I mis-read an article about Taiwan's system (which I like) and for some reason didnt realize I ranted on financial numbers that were actually USA numbers. Im too lazy to find it, but its been in the last couple weeks. If you want to I'll put out a $1000 paypal bet on it right now if its that important to you.

Not at all. I've had no reason or interest to pay attention to you and your reaction to being shown incorrect. I'll take your word for it. I've seen one blatant example of you refusing to admit dishonesty, but one example does not constitute a trend.

Now back to the subject at hand. Your ADD and inability to comment on the post. You throw out this shit:

avoid acknowledging the slimy behavior of his heroes at the RNC

when the thread title is

White house ready to drop public option.

.

B...B....B....the Republicans!

I think you'll find what you call "my ADD" is really your own inability or unwillingness to reason and follow an argument. You asked how the Republicans are responsible for this sorry state of affairs. I answered your question. It is certainly not the case that they are solely responsible. On the contrary, as I said, part of the problem is that our elected Republicrats and Demicans are generally cowardly and self-serving turds who are unwilling to stand up to an inflamed public. It is also true, however, that the public is so inflamed due to a slimy campaign of lies and disinformation by the RNC. They launched this campaign understanding all too well that their cowards across the aisle would cave if the public outcry was sufficiently loud. Predictably, it appears this cynical, anti-American tactic is working.

Hrm. Ok so now youre nit picking. A page ago you said

but the single biggest factor by far is the dishonest fear mongering and general disinformation campaign of the RNC and its shills.

so yeah, youre right, you never said "sole" reason. But certainly thats where you lay most of the blame. Tsk tsk.

I love this too:

The Democrats in Congress, generally being a bunch of cowardly, power-hungry weasels too, aren't comfortable standing up to such public outcry. It would mean sticking their necks out, and it's so easier to capitulate and let the RNC corporate whores screw America again.

So in other words, your total theory is...even though the Dems have FULL power and control to do whatever they want, because a few GOP are complaining (hey...have you ever heard of politics?) they are cowards? Public outcry? What fucking public outcry? The outcry the GOP has created? Are you fucking kidding me? The GOP lost power 3 years ago, in case you forgot. If the Democrats cant withstand a little pressure by the MINORITY, and therefore bow to them, well they WILL and DESERVE to lose the election next time and wont get it back for a long, long time. I love how you say "let the RNC corporate whores screw America again."....youre an idiot man. If anyone screws America its he who stands on top of the hill-DEMOCRATS.

Youre a funny funny man