White AND African-American

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: n yusef
I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

No one's debating whether or not someone should have to pay for their crimes, we're saying that they shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes. Atheus just pwned you several times over anyways, so there's not much else to say.

I think you should pay for your parents crimes if you are capitalizing from them. And that's what white Africans are doing right now. Some people disagree. Some people find nothing wrong with inheriting stolen money.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: n yusef
I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

No one's debating whether or not someone should have to pay for their crimes, we're saying that they shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes. Atheus just pwned you several times over anyways, so there's not much else to say.

I think you should pay for your parents crimes if you are capitalizing from them. And that's what white Africans are doing right now. Some people disagree. Some people find nothing wrong with inheriting stolen money.

Hmm, seems to me the Africans of today are better off than where they were at before colonization.

Also, a black man killed my Father's Brother. Does that mean every single black person should feel guilty for the killing?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: n yusef
I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

No one's debating whether or not someone should have to pay for their crimes, we're saying that they shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes. Atheus just pwned you several times over anyways, so there's not much else to say.

I think you should pay for your parents crimes if you are capitalizing from them. And that's what white Africans are doing right now. Some people disagree. Some people find nothing wrong with inheriting stolen money.

So what would you do to him?

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
None of those complaining about him classifying himself as a White African American were oppressed by Europeans so that argument is bullshit.

nothing in the arcticle makes that certain... they may have been blacks from the islands or elsewhere who have ancestors who were european slaves... and to go a bit further, they may have been ancestors of brits' slaves from before the usa was constituted...

but in reality they are just a bunch of assholes who will hopefully get killed in this lawsuit... but i doubt it... i bet $1 that the guy loses... this is the kind of shit that is taking over and there's nothing (like sense or logic) that is going to stop it...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: n yusef
I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

No one's debating whether or not someone should have to pay for their crimes, we're saying that they shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes. Atheus just pwned you several times over anyways, so there's not much else to say.

I think you should pay for your parents crimes if you are capitalizing from them. And that's what white Africans are doing right now. Some people disagree. Some people find nothing wrong with inheriting stolen money.

So what would you do to him?

Even if he were to move out of his parents' house at age 18 and never take another penny from them, he still (presumably) would have got a good education, worn good clothes, and eaten good food, etc during his childhood. Presumably he'd have to kill himself to truly atone.

 

[Corn]

Every day that n yusef lives in the USA he capitalizes on the opression of the North American Indian. He won't live according to the standards he demands of others and therefore he's simply an attention seeking hypocrite troll. Moving on..............

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: n yusef
The survey is obviously of ethnicity, not nationality. Colonialists should not claim African, Asian or Indian ethnicity.

Africa is not "nationality", it's a continent.

Under your assertion no one here (except native Americans) could claim to be "American".

Not all people from Africa are black, not by a long shot. I traveled through the Maghreb without seeing one black person. (The Meghreb is the North West section of Africa).

The Berbers are native to Africa and are not black at all. Many have light eyes (blue or green). IIRC, Hitler thought they were some kind of lost Arayan race because of their light appearance.

He's a third gerneration African, I think he should be described as a 'white African'. 'White African-American' (as he describes himself) doesn't fit in my opinion. I don't see where he gets the 'American" part considering he's an immigrant here. The 'American' part just describes his citizenship.

To those who wish to describe him as Portuguese by back tracking his ancestry, that gets arbitrary. E.g., many people around here are decendants of the so-called Scotch-Irish settlers The Scotch-Irish come from Northern Ireland). So are they Irish-Americans? IDK, the Scotch-Irish are Scottish who moved and settled in Northen Ireland. So are they better described as Scottish-Americans? IDK, the Scottish are Cetic and the Celtics are one of, if not the oldest ethnic groups from continental Europe, many texts describe them as the 1st proto-indo Eurpean people who were found in central Europe. That area includes what is now Germany. So are they really German-Americans?

Where ever you draw the line in such ethnic back-tracking is arbitrary.

IIRC, Portuguese are thought to be decended from the Roman empire (the Portuguese language is certainly much different the Spansih who suuround them). Rome included much territory in Africa, in fact the Roman Empire existed longer in Africa than Europe. The barbarians sacked Rome and destroyed the European portion while the African portion remained. The Romans also readily absorbed/integrated the peoples and cultures they ruled over. In other words, even if you wanted to track this guy back to his Portuguese roots and then further, he may be African anyway.

Fern

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: n yusef
The survey is obviously of ethnicity, not nationality. Colonialists should not claim African, Asian or Indian ethnicity.

He called himself "white african american".

To me he's Portuguese.

To me you're an idiot.
You can't accept the fact that the "african-americans" in the US (most of them) aren't really African. They're black Americans. They use the term African-American as a tool to help the leech off of society and remind ol whitey that their ancestors were oppressed and all white people for the rest of eternity should shoulder he burden of the past.

Is the "thug lyfe", laziness, violence, and broken family part of African American lives a result of West African influences?

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: racolvin
Regardless of your views on the evils of colonialism or whatever, in this particular case the man in question is arguably and demonstrably more "African" than the black girl in his class that complained about it. On that basis alone he should win the case IMHO.

On any questionnaire the REAL question should be "What color is your skin?", what geographical "ethnicity" you claim isn't really material anymore is it?

He is not more African, he is more colonial. I think there is a difference.

Is he more African than you?