White AND African-American

[Leros]

This is what we get for being too politically correct to call black people black. We started calling them African American and now we think that African American = black.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef
I think the boat has sailed on any reparations in the US. I am not for reparations for black descendants of slaves, and I'm not for reparations for indentured servants.

Colonialism is still recent, and Europe owes Africa.

What do they owe Africa?

The only thing really is to help them return to the ways of pre-14th or 13th Century...

So no medicine, no food, no mosquito nets, no electricity..etc...

Oh and to hell with those black people who have gone on to do great things because of colonialism.

And they call me racist...

That wasn't racist that was just ignorant rubbish. You're the only one dividing people by skin color.

I'll ask you again - if he was only half white, would he be only half guilty?

If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

 

[deftron]

That is why race classification is fail.

Just look at Middle Eastern people.

They really don't have a clear choice on most race surveys, given the standard choices of White, Hispanic, Asian, African-American, or Native American.

Some say they should chose white. Some say they should chose Asian (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc..). But what about Egyptians? Should they chose African-American?

And if African-American is for just Blacks, what are Blacks that are not Americans supposed to chose? Like a black exchange student from France or even Africa?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
And they call me racist...

Pish, it is no different then the Roman empire bringing their technology to those they conquered. It is very hard to state objectively that Europe did not benefit from being conquered. Can you objectively state that Africa has not benefited from being colonized?

Yes.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: n yusef
He benefits from colonialism. He is studying in the US. If he were a black Mozambican, he would be much less likely to be in this position.

If he doesn't want to get judged for his father's misdeeds, he shouldn't capitalize from them.

From the article:

His plan, he said, was to become a doctor and join Doctors Without Borders where he could travel back to Africa to do charity work like his parents, either as an internist or possibly a neurologist.

If his grandparents had stayed in Portugal, his parents would probably not have ended up doing charity work in Africa. If he had been born in Portugal, he probably wouldn't have decided to become a doctor to help underprivileged people in Africa. His experience being born there led him to want to do everything he could to help those people, and because he isn't a black African, you want to label him an oppressor. You've completely ignored relevant facts to label him as part of the problem when he's one of the people who is trying to help.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: deftron
That is why race classification is fail.

Just look at Middle Eastern people.

They really don't have a clear choice on most race surveys, given the standard choices of White, Hispanic, Asian, African-American, or Native American.

Some say they should chose white. Some say they should chose Asian (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc..). But what about Egyptians? Should they chose African-American?

And if African-American is for just Blacks, what are Blacks that are not Americans supposed to chose? Like a black exchange student from France or even Africa?

If we are discussing ethnicity, Francophone Africans in the US are African American. I don't like the term African American though; "black" makes more sense when describing blacks outside of America.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef
I think the boat has sailed on any reparations in the US. I am not for reparations for black descendants of slaves, and I'm not for reparations for indentured servants.

Colonialism is still recent, and Europe owes Africa.

What do they owe Africa?

The only thing really is to help them return to the ways of pre-14th or 13th Century...

So no medicine, no food, no mosquito nets, no electricity..etc...

Oh and to hell with those black people who have gone on to do great things because of colonialism.

And they call me racist...

That wasn't racist that was just ignorant rubbish. You're the only one dividing people by skin color.

I'll ask you again - if he was only half white, would he be only half guilty?

If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

As opposed to our current president?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef
I think the boat has sailed on any reparations in the US. I am not for reparations for black descendants of slaves, and I'm not for reparations for indentured servants.

Colonialism is still recent, and Europe owes Africa.

What do they owe Africa?

The only thing really is to help them return to the ways of pre-14th or 13th Century...

So no medicine, no food, no mosquito nets, no electricity..etc...

Oh and to hell with those black people who have gone on to do great things because of colonialism.

And they call me racist...

That wasn't racist that was just ignorant rubbish. You're the only one dividing people by skin color.

I'll ask you again - if he was only half white, would he be only half guilty?

If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

I know several black African immigrants who have studied highly academic subjects in this country. There were at least two in my year when I got my compsci degree, including one who fled the civil war in Sierra Leone, and she was anything but priviliged. However that was not the question. Can you answer the question?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

As opposed to our current president?

Our president was lives in America, not Mozambique.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: BoberFett
n yusef sound awfully bigoted against white people born in Africa.

I have nothing against African-born whites personally. What I am bigoted against, is oppression.

It sounds like you are trying to oppress this white african american due to where he happened to be born at.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

As opposed to our current president?

Our president was lives in America, not Mozambique.[/quote]

But he is half black and half white and his father was a native Kenyan.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

I know several black African immigrants who have studied highly academic subjects in this country. There were at least two in my year when I got my compsci degree, including one who fled the civil war in Sierra Leone, and she was anything but priviliged. However that was not the question. Can you answer the question?

That some very lucky Africans can study abroad does not contradict the fact that most live in poverty with little education as a direct result of European colonialism.

I would say someone who would be oppressed in society wouldn't be guilty of oppression. Most black Americans have some European in them from centuries of rape; that doesn't mean we are responsible for slavery and continued racism.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

As opposed to our current president?

Our president was lives in America, not Mozambique.

But he is half black and half white and his father was a native Kenyan.

The US is far more integrated than any African states. White Africans live in isolated communities with black help and protection, while they continue to reap the benefits of their father's oppression. America is better in this regard.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

I know several black African immigrants who have studied highly academic subjects in this country. There were at least two in my year when I got my compsci degree, including one who fled the civil war in Sierra Leone, and she was anything but priviliged. However that was not the question. Can you answer the question?

That some very lucky Africans can study abroad does not contradict the fact that most live in poverty with little education as a direct result of European colonialism.

I would say someone who would be oppressed in society wouldn't be guilty of oppression. Most black Americans have some European in them from centuries of rape; that doesn't mean we are responsible for slavery and continued racism.

Yea rape - because if I have sex with a black girl that's rape because I'm white. You have some issues to work through my friend.

Try imagining you're me - a white Englishman from a very poor background whose ancestors had nothing at all to do with colonialism - and read what you've written back to yourself. How does it look now?

/edit: and fix your quotes

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

I know several black African immigrants who have studied highly academic subjects in this country. There were at least two in my year when I got my compsci degree, including one who fled the civil war in Sierra Leone, and she was anything but priviliged. However that was not the question. Can you answer the question?

That some very lucky Africans can study abroad does not contradict the fact that most live in poverty with little education as a direct result of European colonialism.

I would say someone who would be oppressed in society wouldn't be guilty of oppression. Most black Americans have some European in them from centuries of rape; that doesn't mean we are responsible for slavery and continued racism.

Yea rape - because if I have sex with a black girl that's rape because I'm white. You have some issues to work through my friend.

Try imagining you're me - a white Englishman from a very poor background whose ancestors had nothing at all to do with colonialism - and read what you've written back to yourself. How does it look now?

/edit: and fix your quotes

I'm not saying that all mixed race people are products of rape. My parents are in an interracial relationship, and I have been in interracial relationships myself.

Reread my post. I said that many if not most black Americans are products of rape, which is an undeniable fact. I heard it quoted that this man was 11 when Mozambique gained independence. Interracial relationships in 1964 Mozambique were highly stigmatized. A biracial Mozambican would have been oppressed, and without the advantages that come with being white. Were he biracial, it is highly unlikely that he would not be benefiting from colonialism as he is. I am against the capitalization of oppression, and anyone who engages in it. I would evaluate his guilt on that basis.

 

[Brainonska511]

nyusef - are you an idiot? It says in the article "CULTURAL IDENTIFICATION". Not race identification. Therefore, school was moronic and so are you. /thread.

Edit:
Relevant quote:

In September 2006, Serodio said he again asked to define himself culturally as part of another course exercise

 

[racolvin]

Regardless of your views on the evils of colonialism or whatever, in this particular case the man in question is arguably and demonstrably more "African" than the black girl in his class that complained about it. On that basis alone he should win the case IMHO.

On any questionnaire the REAL question should be "What color is your skin?", what geographical "ethnicity" you claim isn't really material anymore is it?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
nyusef - are you an idiot? It says in the article "CULTURAL IDENTIFICATION". Not race identification. Therefore, school was moronic and so are you. /thread.

I do not think that colonialists should identify with the culture of their ex-colonies, considering the effort they put forth to Europeanize the indigenous culture.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: racolvin
Regardless of your views on the evils of colonialism or whatever, in this particular case the man in question is arguably and demonstrably more "African" than the black girl in his class that complained about it. On that basis alone he should win the case IMHO.

On any questionnaire the REAL question should be "What color is your skin?", what geographical "ethnicity" you claim isn't really material anymore is it?

He is not more African, he is more colonial. I think there is a difference.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
nyusef - are you an idiot? It says in the article "CULTURAL IDENTIFICATION". Not race identification. Therefore, school was moronic and so are you. /thread.

I do not think that colonialists should identify with the culture of their ex-colonies, considering the effort they put forth to Europeanize the indigenous culture.

He's not a fucking colonialist. He grew up in the god-damn country. He can't identify himself as Portuguese, his family had been in Africa for 4 generations. Are you saying he should be allowed to identify himself as anything because it might offend your sensitive ego?

Albino Africans should be allowed to identify as African either, right? Since they resemble their white, European oppressors?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: n yusef
If he were half white and half black, he wouldn't have the social status that white Africans do. He would likely be impoverished, not studying medicine.

I know several black African immigrants who have studied highly academic subjects in this country. There were at least two in my year when I got my compsci degree, including one who fled the civil war in Sierra Leone, and she was anything but priviliged. However that was not the question. Can you answer the question?

That some very lucky Africans can study abroad does not contradict the fact that most live in poverty with little education as a direct result of European colonialism.

I would say someone who would be oppressed in society wouldn't be guilty of oppression. Most black Americans have some European in them from centuries of rape; that doesn't mean we are responsible for slavery and continued racism.

Yea rape - because if I have sex with a black girl that's rape because I'm white. You have some issues to work through my friend.

Try imagining you're me - a white Englishman from a very poor background whose ancestors had nothing at all to do with colonialism - and read what you've written back to yourself. How does it look now?

/edit: and fix your quotes

I'm not saying that all mixed race people are products of rape. My parents are in an interracial relationship, and I have been in interracial relationships myself.

Reread my post. I said that many if not most black Americans are products of rape, which is an undeniable fact. I heard it quoted that this man was 11 when Mozambique gained independence. Interracial relationships in 1964 Mozambique were highly stigmatized. A biracial Mozambican would have been oppressed, and without the advantages that come with being white. Were he biracial, it is highly unlikely that he would not be benefiting from colonialism as he is. I am against the capitalization of oppression, and anyone who engages in it. I would evaluate his guilt on that basis.

So you, living in the United States, do not benefit from colonialism? Rubbish. You benefit from the wealth generated by slaves, you benefit from the theft of native American land, and you benefit from everything the the original colonists brought from Britain. You even speak the language of the colonialists. You believe you are different simply because of the color of your skin.

Only 60 years ago the Germans were bombing this country - members of my family were killed. Do modern young Germans 'owe' me anything for this? Should they carry 'guilt' for it? Of course not! They didn't do it! Just like this guy didn't do anything to oppress black Africans!

 

[JD50]

It looks like we've found the black version of Butterbean.

 

[n yusef]

I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

 

[Red Dawn]

None of those complaining about him classifying himself as a White African American were oppressed by Europeans so that argument is bullshit.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I realize that no one here will agree with me, and I expected that the instant I started posting. I think that the presence of a white elite in Africa oppresses black Africans. I don't think this because I hate white people. I think this because history has proven it. White Africans control most industry, where black Africans are overworked and abused for little pay. Black representation has only colluded with white-owned industry so white Africans are not alone in blame. Africa is very segregated; as a result there is not much economic mobility for black Africans.

Germany paid sizable reparations to the Allies, and yes they should be guilty for the Holocaust. Whether one should feel guilty for war is another debate, and not analogous to colonialism. Many Germans are guilty for the Holocaust, and that is refreshing. If one does not feel guilty for her misdeeds, what is to stop her from repeating them?

No one's debating whether or not someone should have to pay for their crimes, we're saying that they shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes. Atheus just pwned you several times over anyways, so there's not much else to say.