brycejones
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DerpWow!!!! Ruskie mind control in just the swing/rust belt states. Doesn't appear to have worked in tried and true blue states.
DerpWow!!!! Ruskie mind control in just the swing/rust belt states. Doesn't appear to have worked in tried and true blue states.
Uhh, are you without complete knowledge of history? We even had a legitimate Communist and Red party in America at one point. To think that any country in the world wouldn't be trying to influence any major election of one of the most powerful countries in the world anyway it can would be just dumb.Here's the problem: even if you assume that Russia did try to influence previous elections (hard evidence, please, or drop it), it wasn't hacking major US political parties and strategically releasing info. And you don't have to compromise voting machines and ballot counters to change the income. Were there people who changed their minds based on the leaked data, especially when its significance was sometimes distorted by WikiLeaks and Russia-backed news outlets? Most likely yes. The core information is accurate as far as we know, but that doesn't give Russia a free pass.
There are a few reasons to care. First, of course, is that Russia was conspicuously interfering with the democratic process. This is never tolerable, and must be punished. The other: if we don't care, that's encouraging Russia. The report has determined that Russia considers its pro-Trump hacking campaign a success, and will likely use what it learned to skew both future American elections and those elsewhere in the world. Do you really want to reinforce that determination by pretending that the hacks didn't matter?
I think many people think the Russians did hack and try to influence the election, I don't buy that the hacking had an impact as big as the Democrat sheep feel it was.People don't care about truth. They believe what they want to believe.
Democrat sheep believe Russians are hacking.
Republican sheep believe the Russians are not hacking.
What a world.
It doesn't really matter anyway. What we see and know is far from reality.I think many people think the Russians did hack and try to influence the election, I don't buy that the hacking had an impact as big as the Democrat sheep feel it was.
Please. Release of both the DNC & Podesta hacks hugely altered the course of public discussion & therefore the election. If the stuff hadn't been released we'd have been talking about something, anything else.I think many people think the Russians did hack and try to influence the election, I don't buy that the hacking had an impact as big as the Democrat sheep feel it was.
Please don't feed to troll.Please. Release of both the DNC & Podesta hacks hugely altered the course of public discussion & therefore the election. If the stuff hadn't been released we'd have been talking about something, anything else.
Is that too easy, or what?
Right, how many Americans are political junkies that frequent places like this forum? How many watch the news vs reality TV shows?Please. Release of both the DNC & Podesta hacks hugely altered the course of public discussion & therefore the election. If the stuff hadn't been released we'd have been talking about something, anything else.
Is that too easy, or what?
Ahhhh poor butthurt angry petulant child has nothing to offerPlease don't feed to troll.
You're being deliberately obtuse. The stuff permeated both mainstream & social media along with Trump tweets thru the general election season. All of it was used by Russian & Repub operatives to discredit Clinton & the Dems. All the time talking about that would have been time talking about something else.Right, how many Americans are political junkies that frequent places like this forum? How many watch the news vs reality TV shows?
No idea, I Got Brain Tumors. No idea.How come hillary and the DNC aren't thanking the hackers for getting her the popular vote??
Just face it. Russian psy-ops twiddled with America's minds & therefore our election. They changed the conversation. Russian propagandists knew they could depend on Repubs to make a slime fest of the purloined information, & they did.Just face it Clinton failed to reach out to voters in the states that mattered whereas Trump did. Clinton ignored some of them.
Just face it. Russian psy-ops twiddled with America's minds & therefore our election. They changed the conversation. Russian propagandists knew they could depend on Repubs to make a slime fest of the purloined information, & they did.
It's just the truth. The real questions are why did they do it & why we're so vulnerable to it.
What internal leak? There is no evidence that any such thing occurred. There is ample evidence that the russians hacked the DNC & released the info, thus altering our whole national conversation about the election.If anybody did anything the internal leak exposed the depth clinton / Debbi Wassermann Schultz / DNC went to screw Bernie Sanders. That's the truth that was never supposed to see the light of day and had clinton won.. the Russian BS story would be dead. The DNC didn't even follow their own procedures for cyber security...they did the same thing clinton did with the illegal servers.
It wasn't that long ago the liberals were gloating over their "impenetrable blue electoral wall" and it's highly possible the hackers who ever they may be are responsible for hillary's popular vote count as well as the "leaked" emails that resulted in Debbie Wassermann Schultz resignation due to her collusion with hillary and the DNC to screw Bernie Sanders.."leaked embarrassing emails that were released at the start of the party's convention, revealing that the party had conspired against Bernie Sanders and leading to the resignation of Democratic party chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz on July 24."What internal leak? There is no evidence that any such thing occurred. There is ample evidence that the russians hacked the DNC & released the info, thus altering our whole national conversation about the election.
Bernie? He wasn't the nominee because 3M more Dems voted for Clinton in the primaries.
It's just concern trolling coming from you, anyway.
Whatever happened to ramen head, anyway? Guess she went down the toilet with Huma, once Mrs. Bill Clinton lost. Shame...they probably both thought they had bright futures, under the Hildabeast's wing. What a pity.If anybody did anything the internal leak exposed the depth clinton / Debbi Wassermann Schultz / DNC went to screw Bernie Sanders. That's the truth that was never supposed to see the light of day and had clinton won.. the Russian BS story would be dead. The DNC didn't even follow their own procedures for cyber security...they did the same thing clinton did with the illegal servers.
Yet no one can say if these psy-ops changed a single voter's mind. This is just another lame excuse instead of accepting the fact that the left dismissed any poll showing Trump was gaining ground or leading and changing their ground game in the areas. Or all the smug Dems claiming that Trump didn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of winning. How many Dem voters stayed home because of the inaccurate polling thinking their vote wasn't needed?Just face it. Russian psy-ops twiddled with America's minds & therefore our election. They changed the conversation. Russian propagandists knew they could depend on Repubs to make a slime fest of the purloined information, & they did.
It's just the truth. The real questions are why did they do it & why we're so vulnerable to it.
Which proves my point entirely, that Russian hacking changed the national conversation & the direction of the election.It wasn't that long ago the liberals were gloating over their "impenetrable blue electoral wall" and it's highly possible the hackers who ever they may be are responsible for hillary's popular vote count as well as the "leaked" emails that resulted in Debbie Wassermann Schultz resignation due to her collusion with hillary and the DNC to screw Bernie Sanders.."leaked embarrassing emails that were released at the start of the party's convention, revealing that the party had conspired against Bernie Sanders and leading to the resignation of Democratic party chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz on July 24."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html?_r=0
So by the way, now that even Trump's administration admits it was the Russians do you want to walk back any of your bullshit?Yeah, they use 2yr old utilities commonly found on the deep Web and leave traces of themselves everywhere.
Any Russian psy-ops person reading that would be giggling hysterically at the incredible density you just displayed.Yet no one can say if these psy-ops changed a single voter's mind. This is just another lame excuse instead of accepting the fact that the left dismissed any poll showing Trump was gaining ground or leading and changing their ground game in the areas. Or all the smug Dems claiming that Trump didn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of winning. How many Dem voters stayed home because of the inaccurate polling thinking their vote wasn't needed?
That's because it would be literally impossible to prove such a thing without access to an alternate dimension. Does it seem possible to me that either one person in 200 would have their mind changed to switch their vote or one person in 100 decide to stay home? Absolutely. Considering that alone would have swung the election to Clinton, your attempts to paint it as a 'lame excuse' are pathetic. It would take a truly fantastical devotion to fantasy to think that months of negative press DIDN'T change a single voter's mind.Yet no one can say if these psy-ops changed a single voter's mind. This is just another lame excuse instead of accepting the fact that the left dismissed any poll showing Trump was gaining ground or leading and changing their ground game in the areas. Or all the smug Dems claiming that Trump didn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of winning. How many Dem voters stayed home because of the inaccurate polling thinking their vote wasn't needed?
That's like trying to say that if the election wasn't decided by electoral college votes, they would have campaigned differently and we can't really predict the outcome. Instead we know that Hillary won the popular vote in an election decided by the electoral college. It's all meaningless discussion at this point.Please. Release of both the DNC & Podesta hacks hugely altered the course of public discussion & therefore the election. If the stuff hadn't been released we'd have been talking about something, anything else.
Is that too easy, or what?