Ok? Its $300, but the way some of you talk, it might as well cost $600.
Edit: Your brilliant link only shows the U2 iPod, in case you didn't catch that.
Nope, no kidding sport
Compare it to other players with the same capacity & features.. it's 50-100% more expensive. Apple advertises extensively on TV, including during sports playoffs, which is quite expensive. 2+2=?...
Sorry buddy, try again. Ill help ya out a tad....
I asked a question that becuase you think the ipod is a pos, why does that give you the green light to attack everyone that owns one?
That is exactly what I said and somehow you think im putting words in your mouth? Amazing...
This thread is a perfect example of how hostile you are even when unprovoked.
Your brilliant link only shows the U2 iPod, in case you didn't catch that.
My BRILLIANT LINK is listed in order of price from lowest to highest, so whose fault is it that the Apple stuff is so far down?
My BRILLIANT LINK is listed in order of price from lowest to highest, so whose fault is it that the Apple stuff is so far down?
I'm thinking three times a week and a heavy dosage of antipsychotics - but then I'm not licensed; I might be underestimating.
Honestly for an older, supposedly wiser person, your reading comprehension is horrible. The only Apple product shown on that link IS the U2, which has an MSRP of $350...
Originally posted by: Gurck
Nope, no kidding sport
Compare it to other players with the same capacity & features.. it's 50-100% more expensive. Apple advertises extensively on TV, including during sports playoffs, which is quite expensive. 2+2=?...
The Karma is the only player I see that barely fits in that 50-100% range(~53%), and while it may have the same capacity and even more features, its UI/Design is subpar. The Zen Touch can be found for $219, and the iPod for $289, only 32% more.
I've YET to see any of these nimrods give a SINGLE REASON why anybody should spend more for less!
Look, you guys have a mind.
Please fvckin use it. Stop listening to all the freaking morons out there with their one-stop answers, and do a little research yourself. The top brands out there right now are Creative, iRiver and Apple. Then you have a few niche players out there, like Cowon, Samsung, and Sony.
Do a little research. Find what you want. Figure out what you want. Stop jumping in the nearest freaking bandwagon.
Your top priority is to be a trendy whore? Go iPod. Want something clean, easy and simple to use? Go iPod/iRiver/Creative/mostly everyone else. Because guess what people, you don't need to be a freaking genius to use these things.
Got a technologically inept friend who wants an mp3 player? Go iPod. Want arguably the best sound with lossless support? Go Rio Karma. Want some REAL FREAKING ADVICE? DONT ASK THE COMPUTER EXPERTS AT ANANDTECH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR SOUND. ^^
If you would like some real guidance on the sound that comes out from these DAPs, check out www.head-fi.org under Portable Audio.
head-fi is a nice forum where the level of discussion/respect for other people's opinion is very high, since Sound is a very subjective topic. However, people in general have come to consensus about each DAP. I don't want to interject any of my bias/interpretation into it, so go on ahead and ask some forums, or search for some threads first.
PERSONALLY: I have an iRiverH320. Love it. Honestly I like the iRiver's interface better than the iPod, and I don't have to take it out of my pocket each time I want to change the volume. I have about 9 gigs of music, and a few videos as well (the iRiver can play videos). It has its deficiencies (ie no gapless playback, no music w/ pictures, slow file list browsing - if you have 100+ songs in a folder) but I am more than willing to forgive them for my little gem.
Again, find what you like, do a little research. You'll come to see trends/truths without getting brainwashed by all the little fanboys and critics of the various DAPs.
Please fvckin use it. Stop listening to all the freaking morons out there with their one-stop answers, and do a little research yourself. The top brands out there right now are Creative, iRiver and Apple. Then you have a few niche players out there, like Cowon, Samsung, and Sony.
Do a little research. Find what you want. Figure out what you want. Stop jumping in the nearest freaking bandwagon.
Your top priority is to be a trendy whore? Go iPod. Want something clean, easy and simple to use? Go iPod/iRiver/Creative/mostly everyone else. Because guess what people, you don't need to be a freaking genius to use these things.
Got a technologically inept friend who wants an mp3 player? Go iPod. Want arguably the best sound with lossless support? Go Rio Karma. Want some REAL FREAKING ADVICE? DONT ASK THE COMPUTER EXPERTS AT ANANDTECH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR SOUND. ^^
If you would like some real guidance on the sound that comes out from these DAPs, check out www.head-fi.org under Portable Audio.
head-fi is a nice forum where the level of discussion/respect for other people's opinion is very high, since Sound is a very subjective topic. However, people in general have come to consensus about each DAP. I don't want to interject any of my bias/interpretation into it, so go on ahead and ask some forums, or search for some threads first.
PERSONALLY: I have an iRiverH320. Love it. Honestly I like the iRiver's interface better than the iPod, and I don't have to take it out of my pocket each time I want to change the volume. I have about 9 gigs of music, and a few videos as well (the iRiver can play videos). It has its deficiencies (ie no gapless playback, no music w/ pictures, slow file list browsing - if you have 100+ songs in a folder) but I am more than willing to forgive them for my little gem.
Again, find what you like, do a little research. You'll come to see trends/truths without getting brainwashed by all the little fanboys and critics of the various DAPs.
Design : Clearly top notch as with most Apple products.
UI : The best out there by far. Show me a better way to navigate through such large quantities of music.
Build quality : Superb. I've had my 3g for over a year and a half and easily put 4-6 hours of use on it at least 6 days a week. I use it at work, out in my shop, while running, etc. It's been dropped a couple times, bumped around a hundred more used for hours on end in freezing condtions, hours on end in extremely hot conditions (100+), etc.. The only problem I've had (that means just 1) is that I wore the headphone jack out (which I've easily replaced) from so much use. Plus it just feels solid and not cheaply built like most other (heavier...
) players.Size : While some other players are close, none can quite match the small size of the iPod. At least not ones that hold comparable amounts of music.
That's why I pay slightly more for "less" as you put it. Nevermind the fact that it's cheaper than some compareable players.
preslove
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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Design : Clearly top notch as with most Apple products.
UI : The best out there by far. Show me a better way to navigate through such large quantities of music.
Build quality : Superb. I've had my 3g for over a year and a half and easily put 4-6 hours of use on it at least 6 days a week. I use it at work, out in my shop, while running, etc. It's been dropped a couple times, bumped around a hundred more used for hours on end in freezing condtions, hours on end in extremely hot conditions (100+), etc.. The only problem I've had (that means just 1) is that I wore the headphone jack out (which I've easily replaced) from so much use. Plus it just feels solid and not cheaply built like most other (heavier...
Size : While some other players are close, none can quite match the small size of the iPod. At least not ones that hold comparable amounts of music.
That's why I pay slightly more for "less" as you put it. Nevermind the fact that it's cheaper than some compareable players.
Pwned. It has a 20 gig capacity and is around the same size as an apple mini.
I'm not an Apple fan, and I own an iRiver H320, but right off the bat there are so many glaring holes in your argument, it is obvious that you didn't mean to argue, but to make it difficult for the reasonable people out there to painstakingly point out all the ridiculous numerous flaws that you don't even attempt to address..
So I'll return your argument with a similarly conditioned argument of my own:
You are wrong.
So I'll return your argument with a similarly conditioned argument of my own:
You are wrong.
From here: 2.3" x 0.7" x 2.9" = 4.669 cubic inches.
From here: 3.6" x 0.5" x 2.0" = 3.6 cubic inches.
3.6/4.669 = 0.77104 which means the iPod Mini is approximately 75% the size of the Gmini XS.
Nevermind the fact that the iPod Mini weighs 3.6 ounces and the Gmini XS weighs 4.30 ounces. 3.6/4.3 = 0.8372 which means the Mini weighs approximately 85% of what the Gmini weighs.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Design : Clearly top notch as with most Apple products.
UI : The best out there by far. Show me a better way to navigate through such large quantities of music.
Build quality : Superb. I've had my 3g for over a year and a half and easily put 4-6 hours of use on it at least 6 days a week. I use it at work, out in my shop, while running, etc. It's been dropped a couple times, bumped around a hundred more used for hours on end in freezing condtions, hours on end in extremely hot conditions (100+), etc.. The only problem I've had (that means just 1) is that I wore the headphone jack out (which I've easily replaced) from so much use. Plus it just feels solid and not cheaply built like most other (heavier...
Size : While some other players are close, none can quite match the small size of the iPod. At least not ones that hold comparable amounts of music.
That's why I pay slightly more for "less" as you put it. Nevermind the fact that it's cheaper than some compareable players.
Pwned. It has a 20 gig capacity and is around the same size as an apple mini.
Ok, I'm wrong on size. Reviews of it aren't that impressive, though so I don't feel too bad.
preslove
Lifer
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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
From here: 2.3" x 0.7" x 2.9" = 4.669 cubic inches.
From here: 3.6" x 0.5" x 2.0" = 3.6 cubic inches.
3.6/4.669 = 0.77104 which means the iPod Mini is approximately 75% the size of the Gmini XS.
Nevermind the fact that the iPod Mini weighs 0.78 ounces and the Gmini XS weighs a whopping 4.30 ounces. 0.78/4.3 = 0.18140 which means the Mini weighs approximately 20% of what the Gmini weighs.
The iPod mini is 3.6 ounces. In terms of its dimensions, the big difference in size comes from the thickness, which I don't really feel in my pocket. The height of the iPod mini seems like it would be annoying in your pocket.
4.5/5 from pcmagazine. All the reviews I've seen of it have been "it's pretty good but ____ annoys me" or "It rocks!" I haven't seen a single bad review of it... fainboi
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
From here: 2.3" x 0.7" x 2.9" = 4.669 cubic inches.
From here: 3.6" x 0.5" x 2.0" = 3.6 cubic inches.
3.6/4.669 = 0.77104 which means the iPod Mini is approximately 75% the size of the Gmini XS.
Nevermind the fact that the iPod Mini weighs 0.78 ounces and the Gmini XS weighs a whopping 4.30 ounces. 0.78/4.3 = 0.18140 which means the Mini weighs approximately 20% of what the Gmini weighs.
The iPod mini is 3.6 ounces. In terms of its dimensions, the big difference in size comes from the thickness, which I don't really feel in my pocket. The height of the iPod mini seems like it would be annoying in your pocket.
Oops. Grabbed the iPod Shuffle's weight.
The height isn't an issue. It's about the height of cell phone, so it fits easily in there. It's super slim, so you don't even notice it's there.
iPod's arent anything great - received my creative zen micro the other week and have loved it since i got it... big thumbs up to this one
At least that's some reason, instead of blurting iPod. But...
Design : Clearly top notch as with most Apple products.
Subjective Damn good thing Anand doesn't rate hardware with such criteria, or there would be no ATOT!
UI : The best out there by far. Show me a better way to navigate through such large quantities of music.
How about a standard file manager to create folders? One that can be found on every PC, like... oh... I don't know... [/b]Windows Explorer?[/b] Once they're in the player, the UI simplicity is another conveniently subjective issue.
Build quality : Superb...
What about Danman's? Maybe we'll just sweep such problems under the carpet, eh?
Size : While some other players are close...
Pretty much splitting hairs there, dude.
That's why I pay slightly more for "less" as you put it.
Unfortunately for you, dollar differences are NOT subjective.
Design : Clearly top notch as with most Apple products.
Subjective Damn good thing Anand doesn't rate hardware with such criteria, or there would be no ATOT!
UI : The best out there by far. Show me a better way to navigate through such large quantities of music.
How about a standard file manager to create folders? One that can be found on every PC, like... oh... I don't know... [/b]Windows Explorer?[/b] Once they're in the player, the UI simplicity is another conveniently subjective issue.
Build quality : Superb...
What about Danman's? Maybe we'll just sweep such problems under the carpet, eh?
Size : While some other players are close...
Pretty much splitting hairs there, dude.
That's why I pay slightly more for "less" as you put it.
Unfortunately for you, dollar differences are NOT subjective.
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