Which Military Branch gets deployed first in a war

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ok, i know you dyslexic ADD idiots are just storming in but for the love of FUCK, try to at least read the OP before responding and making arses out of yourselves.

I know you'll never get this so let me repeat and analyze what he said.

"When it comes to the ground campaign, "

First sentence of his post and you didn't even read it, go get some fucking meth and maybe you can at least read the fucking first sentence of a post.

Jesus fucking christ...

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I would think Air Force. They are the only ones who are mobile enough to actually be able to do anything within the first couple of days of war.

The Air Force always works in conjunction with the Army and the Marines. Being a former member of the Air Force it is my observation that if it is a beach landing (Grenada) it is the Marines. If it is more inland, it is the Army that goes in first. ( After the special forces secure an area for the Air Force to transport the Army troops into the war zone.)

In recent times it has been done like this. (Iraq, Afghanistan)

Special Forces go in first to scout and secure a safe entry point.

Air Force bombs targets pointed out by the special forces to help secure a safe landing zone. Navy will also support this operation by firing cruise missles depending on the distance of the area being secured.

Special forces do clean up to finish securing the area.

Air Force transport both Army and Marines into the area.

All the services do their part in modern warfare to get troops into country.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I would think Air Force. They are the only ones who are mobile enough to actually be able to do anything within the first couple of days of war.

The Air Force always works in conjunction with the Army and the Marines. Being a former member of the Air Force it is my observation that if it is a beach landing (Grenada) it is the Marines. If it is more inland, it is the Army that goes in first. ( After the special forces secure an area for the Air Force to transport the Army troops into the war zone.)

In recent times it has been done like this. (Iraq, Afghanistan)

Special Forces go in first to scout and secure a safe entry point.

Air Force bombs targets pointed out by the special forces to help secure a safe landing zone. Navy will also support this operation by firing cruise missles depending on the distance of the area being secured.

Special forces do clean up to finish securing the area.

Air Force transport both Army and Marines into the area.

All the services do their part in modern warfare to get troops into country.

Lets be clear about the whole SpecOp thing, Recon does the work in 99.9% of the cases, Army, AF or Marine (Navy) and they are not really considered spec op platoons.

SAS isn't considered spec op either and our job is pretty much the same as other recon platoons.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Train
The charters of the other armed forces do not allow direct control via the president.

Wrong.

The President has the authority to send any branch of service, including the Coast Guard into any area for a short term military action. Under Federal law the President must seek the approval of Congress if the mission is longer than 90 days. (The War Powers Act) However, Constitutionally, the President doesn't have to have Congressional approval at all. Congress controls the purse strings and that is how the President is kept into check.

The President is Commander in Chief of all the armed forces. The oath I took when I went into the Air Force made that very clear. That is a power assigned to the President by the Constitution.

 

[Oceandevi]

Ninjas, then the SF.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: savoyboy
For some reasons i don't think landing Marines from a beach is faster than dropping paratroopers from a C-130

fixed

:roll: ahh the high and mighty

marines marines marines marines

:roll: Touched a nerve with ya?

Its a capitalized word, deal with it.

no, but apparently savoyboy touched a nerve with YOU.

omgz marine must always be capitalized! you should go to miltary prison for having the audacity to use a lower case m!

Apparently I touched a nerve with you. You got your panties in a bunch and needed to post about it.

you made a post that contained nothing but your fixing of his m to an M.

I merely called you out on it.

Boy you sure 'called me out', I feel so bad. Never again will I attempt to inform someone of a grammar error that many people do not know about! Man, I feel like such a loser right now. How could I?

Acting like a grammar Nazi is pretty lame, actually.

Silly me, I just thought a thread about Marines (relatively speaking) would be an appropriate time to make the statement for the ATOT crowd, many of which may not have known that. My bad.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Ok, i know you dyslexic ADD idiots are just storming in but for the love of FUCK, try to at least read the OP before responding and making arses out of yourselves.

I know you'll never get this so let me repeat and analyze what he said.

"When it comes to the ground campaign, "

First sentence of his post and you didn't even read it, go get some fucking meth and maybe you can at least read the fucking first sentence of a post.

Jesus fucking christ...

We dont agree on much, but man I agree with you here

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Lets be clear about the whole SpecOp thing, Recon does the work in 99.9% of the cases, Army, AF or Marine (Navy) and they are not really considered spec op platoons.

SAS isn't considered spec op either and our job is pretty much the same as other recon platoons.

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. My point was modern warfare is a joint effort by all branches. Who goes in first will depend on the mission and the logistics of carrying out that mission.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

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Oh, does that offend you, try writing SAS with small letters and see if that offends me. You're no better than the idiots who cry about me spelling mohammed with a small m.

america, uk, england, marines, sas, aso (and so on)

You really think a marine gives a flying fuck how other people spell marine? If he does he's a nancy boy and one thing the US does not need is more nancy boys in the service.

 

[nick1985]

Not to rain on your rant, but to answer your question...yes Marines do care (from what Ive seen). Look on some Marine Corps message boards.

Carry on.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Lets be clear about the whole SpecOp thing, Recon does the work in 99.9% of the cases, Army, AF or Marine (Navy) and they are not really considered spec op platoons.

SAS isn't considered spec op either and our job is pretty much the same as other recon platoons.

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. My point was modern warfare is a joint effort by all branches. Who goes in first will depend on the mission and the logistics of carrying out that mission.

First in is always recon, in the case of the US it will be the Marine recognoscense plattoon in the case of the UK it will be SAS which is our equivalent to Marine recon with all of the other branches of the military acting on stand by or backup positions at the time.

Your point is wrong, it's as simple as that, you can ask TallBill, Palehorse or Train about it, it's not that you are somewhat right and it's a question of interpretations, you're WRONG, Nick here will be in a pissy mood with me spelling marines but he's a good guy, (i'm not) so he'll back me up on this becuse it's correct.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Not to rain on your rant, but to answer your question...yes Marines do care (from what Ive seen). Look on some Marine Corps message boards.

Carry on.

sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas, sas

You know what, that does not hurt me a bit.

If they do care about something like that then i seriously hope i won't have anyone of them in my vincinity.

I don't mean any of this as an insult and you know that.

 

[nick1985]

Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
First in is always recon, in the case of the US it will be the Marine recognoscense plattoon in the case of the UK it will be SAS which is our equivalent to Marine recon with all of the other branches of the military acting on stand by or backup positions at the time.

Your point is wrong, it's as simple as that, you can ask TallBill, Palehorse or Train about it, it's not that you are somewhat right and it's a question of interpretations, you're WRONG, Nick here will be in a pissy mood with me spelling marines but he's a good guy, (i'm not) so he'll back me up on this becuse it's correct.

No I am not wrong. My point is very much valid and is exactly what has happened in both Iraq 1, Iraq 2 and Afghanistan. The logistics of the operation will always dictate who is on the ground first. The op asked who it was between the Army and Marines. The answer is it depends on the mission.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

I know it is, but if it hadn't bothered you you wouldn't have mentioned it, i'm daft sometimes, sorry about that...

Marine Recons are still arsekickers.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
First in is always recon, in the case of the US it will be the Marine recognoscense plattoon in the case of the UK it will be SAS which is our equivalent to Marine recon with all of the other branches of the military acting on stand by or backup positions at the time.

Your point is wrong, it's as simple as that, you can ask TallBill, Palehorse or Train about it, it's not that you are somewhat right and it's a question of interpretations, you're WRONG, Nick here will be in a pissy mood with me spelling marines but he's a good guy, (i'm not) so he'll back me up on this becuse it's correct.

No I am not wrong. My point is very much valid and is exactly what has happened in both Iraq 1, Iraq 2 and Afghanistan. The logistics of the operation will always dictate who is on the ground first. The op asked who it was between the Army and Marines. The answer is it depends on the mission.

No, Marine recon will be the first on the ground regardless.

Why are you so stubborn and try to make shit up?

I've been in Iraq and my current location is Afghanistan, i don't think i'm right, i KNOW i'm right son.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

I know it is, but if it hadn't bothered you you wouldn't have mentioned it, i'm daft sometimes, sorry about that...

Marine Recons are still arsekickers.

You're right, if it hadn't bothered me a little I wouldn't have. You know Im going to Marine OCS, gotta have a little pride for my branch

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
First in is always recon, in the case of the US it will be the Marine recognoscense plattoon in the case of the UK it will be SAS which is our equivalent to Marine recon with all of the other branches of the military acting on stand by or backup positions at the time.

Your point is wrong, it's as simple as that, you can ask TallBill, Palehorse or Train about it, it's not that you are somewhat right and it's a question of interpretations, you're WRONG, Nick here will be in a pissy mood with me spelling marines but he's a good guy, (i'm not) so he'll back me up on this becuse it's correct.

No I am not wrong. My point is very much valid and is exactly what has happened in both Iraq 1, Iraq 2 and Afghanistan. The logistics of the operation will always dictate who is on the ground first. The op asked who it was between the Army and Marines. The answer is it depends on the mission.

No, Marine recon will be the first on the ground regardless.

Army, Air Force and the CIA all do recon also. You are sadly mistaken if you truly believe only the Marines have recon units.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

I know it is, but if it hadn't bothered you you wouldn't have mentioned it, i'm daft sometimes, sorry about that...

Marine Recons are still arsekickers.

You're right, if it hadn't bothered me a little I wouldn't have. You know Im going to Marine OCS, gotta have a little pride for my branch

You should, and you will notice that i'll spell Marines with a capital M as i always did before we started discussing it.

 

[WombRaider]

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

marEENEs are first.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
First in is always recon, in the case of the US it will be the Marine recognoscense plattoon in the case of the UK it will be SAS which is our equivalent to Marine recon with all of the other branches of the military acting on stand by or backup positions at the time.

Your point is wrong, it's as simple as that, you can ask TallBill, Palehorse or Train about it, it's not that you are somewhat right and it's a question of interpretations, you're WRONG, Nick here will be in a pissy mood with me spelling marines but he's a good guy, (i'm not) so he'll back me up on this becuse it's correct.

No I am not wrong. My point is very much valid and is exactly what has happened in both Iraq 1, Iraq 2 and Afghanistan. The logistics of the operation will always dictate who is on the ground first. The op asked who it was between the Army and Marines. The answer is it depends on the mission.

No, Marine recon will be the first on the ground regardless.

Army, Air Force and the CIA all do recon also. You are sadly mistaken if you truly believe only the Marines have recon units.

No you fucking moron, they do not do Recon in a hostile zone as first troop landing, only Marine Recon do that of the US forces.

I am well aware that there are recognoscense platoons in every branch but what you do not get because your either pre-teen or just so fucking stupid that you seriously cannot understand simple logic is that i KNOW shit you do NOT KNOW and i am TELLING YOU, that Marine Recon is ALWAYS first to enter a combat zone in a hostile attack.

What is wrong with your fucking brain? return it and get a new one because the one you got isn't working.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: WombRaider

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

marEENEs are first.

you have the best nick i've ever seen....

I love it!

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: WombRaider

Originally posted by: nick1985
Look I personally dont care a whole lot, its not like I self-combust when I see it, but I was just saying the 'proper' way of spelling it is with a 'M'. I understand this is a message board and perfect grammar doesnt exist, I was just simply stating a fact for people who may not know (its not like that is taught in spelling class). You can spell it marEENE for all I care.

marEENEs are first.

you have the best nick i've ever seen....

I love it!

Id have to agree, I actually LOL'ed IRL @ that.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
No you fucking moron, they do not do Recon in a hostile zone as first troop landing, only Marine Recon do that of the US forces.

I am well aware that there are recognoscense platoons in every branch but what you do not get because your either pre-teen or just so fucking stupid that you seriously cannot understand simple logic is that i KNOW shit you do NOT KNOW and i am TELLING YOU, that Marine Recon is ALWAYS first to enter a combat zone in a hostile attack.

What is wrong with your fucking brain? return it and get a new one because the one you got isn't working.

Calling me names does not make your point valid. What part of former Air Force do you not understand? I served in both Operation Desert Storm and Desert Shield. Before you accuse me of not knowing shit why don't you back up your "special" knowledge with proof. I could care less what you have to say as i do know there are recon units in all the branches of service first hand.

The only one acting like a pre-teen and a stupid moron is the one telling others they are.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: abracadabra1

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: abracadabra1

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Marines take their orders from the President...other branches need Congress' approval. What do you think?

Interesting. Last I checked Congress is no where in any branch of service's chain of command.

Article I

The Congress shall have Power...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

I appreciate the constitution reference. But I again contend that Congress is in neither chain of command.

And your evidence?

The President is the Commander in Chief of the US Military. Congress has the power to declare war, but the president can use the military at his discretion for a period of time, I think its 120 days, without congressional approval. This was set up in the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, if I recall.

Congress does control the purse strings, but the President is the commander and chief.

The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was rescinded and replaced with the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

§ 1541. Purpose and policy

(a) Congressional declaration
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

I.e., the President cannot do anything without Congress' approval.