Which is worse: Weed or Alcohol?

[BreakApart]

Originally posted by: joinT

Originally posted by: BreakApart
joinT,
As your obviously too stupid to scroll up and read my ENTIRE post i'll repost it for you.

joinT,
Before you make such an a## out of yourself again, next time you spout off about pot not being addictive at least provide some sort of supporting evidence.

EDIT: The rest of my links are in my earlier posts, have your mommy help you find them.

Just STFU you stupid fool, I essentially said WEED IS NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE. Agreeing with an earlier post. THIS IS TRUE as there are DIFFERENT TYPES OF ADDICTION - ie. NOT ALL ARE PHYSICAL.

Like I said - LEARN TO READ. idiot

Links would help support your argument, otherwise it's purely your opinion. Besides...

Using semantics to support your argument is the act of the desperate. Mentally addictive =vs= physically addictive...

How does that make pot good for you, or not harmful? 🙄

It has already been accepted mental/emotional abuse is just as damaging as physical abuse. so if pot is only a mental addiction that makes it all ok? Even your logic is flawed.

 

[joinT]

Originally posted by: BreakApart


Links would help support your argument, otherwise it's purely your opinion. Besides...

Using semantics to support your argument is the act of the desperate. Mentally addictive =vs= physically addictive...

How does that make pot good for you, or not harmful? 🙄

It has already been accepted mental/emotional abuse is just as damaging as physical abuse. so if pot is only a mental addiction that makes it all ok? Even your logic is flawed.

Even if I provided links to you - you would probably just babble some BS about opinion anyways.
My point is - there is a difference from physical addiction (ie. Cigarettes, Cocaine, Heroin) to mental addiction (Weed, Alchohol, Chocolate, Gambling) & it IS a big deal, because it means the person always has the capability to overcome their addiction. As well - mentally addictive things ARE NOT as bad as physically addictive things - especially in moderation.

Your point that addiction = addiction is really stupid.

Both Weed & Alcohol are ok for you in moderation - if you let yourself become addicted to either, that's generally your own fault for being weak, & you have no fingers to point towards the drug itself as the cause of the problem. People look down on alcoholics because if they just knew when to say "ENOUGH" they wouldn't have that problem. Mental addictions are bad - but not as bad as Physical addictions.

Act of the desperate? I really don't care what you think or say - I've had my personal experiences & have grown from them. Seems to me like you could use a joint to just learn to cope with the fact that never will everyone agree with you & you aren't always right all the time.

 

[BreakApart]

Links? Didn't think you could find any.

You entire argument is based entirely on your opinion, supported by your desire to smoke more pot. :roll:

I'll pass on your suggestion i smoke some weed, my self-esteem is very healthy. There are studies that link low self-esteem with alcohol and drug use, you may want to look into that. Here's a link.... National Forum on Health

"Personal health practices and coping skills. Low self-esteem is a key predictor of the use of tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs. Most intervention programs focus on the development of coping skills without considering the reasons for low self-esteem. These reasons tend to be grounded in low levels of education, income and social status."

 

[smp]

Okay .... say you have like 100 people that smoke weed ... maybe a handful are "addicted" (whatever the fvck that means) .. same with alcohol ... now, when you get into "bad" drugs .. say you have 100 people who smoke cigarettes or do heroin .. how many do you suppose are addicted?


Dude .. links aren't proof to anything .. the only proof that you can get is primary source stuff .. meaning hike your ass to the library and do some research there you internet "addict" ..

Pot is harmless .. end of story .. it's less harmful than porn .. it's less harmful than video games (which are known to cause short attention spans etc etc) .. it is less harmful than television IMHO .. and so is alcohol .. but out of the two .. alcohol kills, breaks marriages, beats wives, makes people pregneant etc etc .. weed maybe makes you dumb .. your own loss, no big deal. Why should it be illegal for me to stupify myself? Huh?

No I don't have links to back up my thoughts .. they're just my thoughts .. based on personal experience .. you can't objectify everything in life with fvckin "links" .. and "graphs" .. and bullshit surveys and crap .. life is subjective... what proves good for some, may prove ill for others. You don't like weed, good, shut up and don't smoke it .. but leave the rest of us who do alone.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: BreakApart

Originally posted by: joinT

Originally posted by: BreakApart joinT, As your obviously too stupid to scroll up and read my ENTIRE post i'll repost it for you. joinT, Before you make such an a## out of yourself again, next time you spout off about pot not being addictive at least provide some sort of supporting evidence. EDIT: The rest of my links are in my earlier posts, have your mommy help you find them.

Just STFU you stupid fool, I essentially said WEED IS NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE. Agreeing with an earlier post. THIS IS TRUE as there are DIFFERENT TYPES OF ADDICTION - ie. NOT ALL ARE PHYSICAL. Like I said - LEARN TO READ. idiot

Links would help support your argument, otherwise it's purely your opinion. Besides... Using semantics to support your argument is the act of the desperate. Mentally addictive =vs= physically addictive... How does that make pot good for you, or not harmful? 🙄 It has already been accepted mental/emotional abuse is just as damaging as physical abuse. so if pot is only a mental addiction that makes it all ok? Even your logic is flawed.

You're a bigotted idiot.

Pot = mentally addictive
Pot != Physically addictive
kapish? Comprende? Get it?
10% of the population better be smoking weed because everyone I know does .. that includes my mom, all my friends, my co-workers etc etc ..
when was the last time you were out my friend? Wake up and smell the reefer ... oh, and I'm canadian too maybe we're all crazed junkies up here .. hmmm .. never thought of that, I guess you're right then.

 

[BreakApart]

smp,
Interesting direct name calling there, that's pathetic. 😀isgust:

Links don't prove anything you say? 🙄
Boy are you being ignorant... those "links" are to scientific studies, perhaps if you did something besides crusing for p0rn on the internet you'd know that.

Like i said before, with people like you pushing for pot legalization it'll never happen, people just don't take that kind of blind ignorance serious. 🙂 lol...

 

[BreakApart]

10% of the population better be smoking weed because everyone I know does .. that includes my mom, all my friends, my co-workers etc etc ..
when was the last time you were out my friend? Wake up and smell the reefer ... oh, and I'm canadian too maybe we're all crazed junkies up here .. hmmm .. never thought of that, I guess you're right then.

Your post explains alot actually: Canadian Study

Health Canada Communications
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Ottawa, Ontario

"Low self-esteem is a key predictor of the use of tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs. Most intervention programs focus on the development of coping skills without considering the reasons for low self-esteem. These reasons tend to be grounded in low levels of education, income and social status."

 

[Red Dawn]

Like i said before, with people like you pushing for pot legalization it'll never happen, people just don't take that kind of blind ignorance serious

Unlike they take to your self absorbed moralistic feeble minded rhetoric? Who do you speak for, the suvirors of the self examined prostates?

Your whoey is as much an opinion as those whom you berate. Obviously you have a crystal ball to so boldly proclaim it will never be legalized. Unfortunately I think your forsight into the future doesn't come close to being 20/20

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Ignorant is citing studies to compensate for lack of personal experience.

Try turning off your TVs and PCs for a week and tell me you feel no withdrawl. Why are some people so insecure that they have to try to prove that they are superior to anyone who smokes a little bud?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Low self-esteem is a key predictor of the use of tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs

Hah, and it isn't for the escapist virtual worlds of television, video games and the internet?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Ignorant is citing studies to compensate for lack of personal experience.

Try turning off your TVs and PCs for a week and tell me you feel no withdrawl. Why are some people so insecure that they have to try to prove that they are superior to anyone who smokes a little bud?

Probably for the same reasons people that do smoke are trying to rationalize their choice by telling everyone how narrow minded they are for not doing drugs.

 

[Red Dawn]

Probably for the same reasons people that do smoke are trying to rationalize their choice by telling everyone how narrow minded they are for not doing drugs.

Well it depends who cast the first stone. As a former indulger in the whacky weed I can tell you that it isn't addictive at all..well not for me. One day I decided that I was tired of being tired so I quit and I didn't have any withdrawals what so ever. It's been over 6 years and I haven't even had any desire to toke up.. well until I met this chick who likes getting stoned and rocking my world..but that's more of an addiction to sex with hot looking chicks than to weed

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: BreakApart
smp, Interesting direct name calling there, that's pathetic. 😀isgust: Links don't prove anything you say? 🙄 Boy are you being ignorant... those "links" are to scientific studies, perhaps if you did something besides crusing for p0rn on the internet you'd know that. Like i said before, with people like you pushing for pot legalization it'll never happen, people just don't take that kind of blind ignorance serious. 🙂 lol...

I'm gonna smoke it if it's legal, I'm gonna smoke it if it's illegal .. and whoever said I was pushing for legalization? I couldn't give a damn.... if it ever comes to a vote my vote will be yes, but you won't see me in the street with a picket. If someone asks on a forum my vote will be yes, but I'm not about to start soliciting .. and no, sh!t you pull off the web is not proof of anything. I don't understand why some people refuse to try things that they know won't kill them? Like that young virgin kid that didn't do that 41 year old woman thread .. man, sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty .. and then make a decision. Primary sources man .. meaning you.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

If you trust yourself there's no harm in trying marijuana. If you can drink a beer, you can smoke a joint. If you've never tried it you have no basis for judging it.

 

[smp]

My name is smp .. I am a marijuana addict. I wake up in the morning and I need to smoke weed. I have robbed my mother for money to buy weed .. does this ring proper to you?


I smoke weed regularily ... sometimes several times a day .. sometimes several times an hour while drinking several drinks .... you know what? I can go weeks without smoking, and retain my sanity, my concentration and my stamina .... so, tell me, how am I an addict?

edit: I won't argue that I'm addicted to cigarettes .. those I need to smoke even if I want to stop .. weed is a choice for me every time and I can easily turn it down (like when I'm on the job, or needing to take care of something etc .. )

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
If you trust yourself there's no harm in trying marijuana. If you can drink a beer, you can smoke a joint. If you've never tried it you have no basis for judging it.

Those of you who are pushing for legalization might have a point when you compare weed to booze. No, I dont have a basis for judging it however I think it is irresponsible to encourage people to do something illegal. JMO.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Where do you draw the line? Was it irresponsible to illegaly free slaves way back when? People need to challenge what they're supposed to take for granted...politicians are fallible humans too, as much as we like to look up to them as being some kind of higher authority. There is no basis for marijuana being illegal other than business, and pride. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to political nonsense.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

dp

 

[BreakApart]

Red Dawn you always make me laugh... lol Read my post again....

"with people like you pushing for pot legalization it'll never happen"

Allow me to clarify this quote for you. Until you get some smarter people supporting pot legalization, it won't be legallized.
Thanks for trying to twist my words. Your always fun when you get mad. 😛

EngineNr8,
Ignorant is citing studies to compensate for lack of personal experience.

Please find ANYTHING on ANY message board suggesting my use or non-use of pot. You won't find any supporting statements for your ASSUMPTION that i have never used pot. I have simply taken the opposing point of view in this discussion, sorry if i am succesfully destroying all this ignorant FUD going around about pot being some no drawback-great drug.

If pot is that important to you, i suggest counseling.

 

[BreakApart]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Where do you draw the line? Was it irresponsible to illegaly free slaves way back when? People need to challenge what they're supposed to take for granted...politicians are fallible humans too, as much as we like to look up to them as being some kind of higher authority. There is no basis for marijuana being illegal other than business, and pride. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to political nonsense.

Please tell me you didn't just compare slavery to pot smoking? 😀isgust:

 

[Red Dawn]

Your always fun when you get mad.

Who's mad? Like smp I really could care less if it's legalized or not. In CA they look the other way when it comes to possesion for personal use. I also have noticed a change of attitude in the way to population here and in the other western states look at Pot and the dismal efforts to legislate personal behavior. A lot of the bullshIt come from the religious hypocrites who are losing credibilty faster than smp's bong water turns brown.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Where do you draw the line? Was it irresponsible to illegaly free slaves way back when? People need to challenge what they're supposed to take for granted...politicians are fallible humans too, as much as we like to look up to them as being some kind of higher authority. There is no basis for marijuana being illegal other than business, and pride. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to political nonsense.

I think a better analogy would be "was it irresposible to ignore prohibition". I don't think we really want to compare this to any facet of slavery. The last time I checked the majority of people in this country don't want pot legalized. Are they right? I've already addressed that. Why don't they want it legalized? I don't know, ask them. My guess is that pot will someday be legal if people can be convinced it's no worse than booze. It will take the goverment's involvement to sell it though, much like they do in states that want the lottery when there is a lot of opposition.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Been a nurse for 15 years & I can tell you that alcohol is one hell of a lot worse for you, particularly if you drink >1 drink a day for a long time, your liver just freaking dies, your gut swells up from a fluid accumulation called ascities, and you get put on a liver transplant list & we all think you're an ass for drinking too much too long and needing a perfectly good liver that is in short supply & should go to someone that hasn't mindlessly destroyed their liver.

Weed is illegal & wrecks your lungs, but the damage isn't as horrible as drinking.

My 2 cents...

 

[BreakApart]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Your always fun when you get mad.

Who's mad? Like smp I really could care less if it's legalized or not. In CA they look the other way when it comes to possesion for personal use. I also have noticed a change of attitude in the way to population here and in the other western states look at Pot and the dismal efforts to legislate personal behavior. A lot of the bullshIt come from the religious hypocrites who are losing credibilty faster than smp's bong water turns brown.

This was and is simply a debate about the effects of pot? Nothing more, nothing less. Yet, here comes Red bringing religion into it again.

Why do you always have to bring religion into EVERYTHING? It's getting really pathetic. Perhaps you should do a search on these boards for religion/religious and your name. You'll see for yourself how sad you have become, so sad you used to be fun to debate. 🙁

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: BreakApart
Red Dawn you always make me laugh... lol Read my post again.... "with people like you pushing for pot legalization it'll never happen" Allow me to clarify this quote for you. Until you get some smarter people supporting pot legalization, it won't be legallized. Thanks for trying to twist my words. Your always fun when you get mad. 😛

EngineNr8, Ignorant is citing studies to compensate for lack of personal experience.

Please find ANYTHING on ANY message board suggesting my use or non-use of pot. You won't find any supporting statements for your ASSUMPTION that i have never used pot. I have simply taken the opposing point of view in this discussion, sorry if i am succesfully destroying all this ignorant FUD going around about pot being some no drawback-great drug. If pot is that important to you, i suggest counseling.

Your words and your naive tongue paint you as a "non-user" .. you don't "use pot" .. you smoke it. You "use" the internet and computers. I'm not too stoned that I can't read between the lines, and nobody said that pot is a "no drawback-great" drug .. like anything, it too has it's drawbacks, just that some people feel that it's good points outweigh it's "drawbacks".