weed is ok al lot of people cook with the good stuff inc. me no major problems unless you consider getting high a problem
i really like weed, i really do. i love taking huge bong hits, hitting a fatty or hitting a pipe with a couple buddies then just chillin. i find it fun and i love the high. i like alcohol too...nothing better than a newcastle or guiness on tap...wow.
Man, after spending the last 10 minutes shuffling through these posts...all I have to say is.
Ignorance is not a good thing people, many should visit The Vaults of Erowid or as EdipisReks posted earlier, Lycaeum. This however will only fix 1/2 the problem.
How can people form such strong convictions based only on objective data? You can read all the books about the Grand Canyon till your blue in the head, you still can't fully appreciate it's grandeur and beauty until you experience it first hand...get it? Some people here need to turn off and tune in, then start truely thinking for themselves.
-VTrider
Ignorance is not a good thing people, many should visit The Vaults of Erowid or as EdipisReks posted earlier, Lycaeum. This however will only fix 1/2 the problem.
How can people form such strong convictions based only on objective data? You can read all the books about the Grand Canyon till your blue in the head, you still can't fully appreciate it's grandeur and beauty until you experience it first hand...get it? Some people here need to turn off and tune in, then start truely thinking for themselves.
-VTrider
They are both different ways to achieve the same thing, as for me,
ir is very rare that I smoke weed, but I drink my share.
In the long run, both will make you anti-social.
jeremy806
ir is very rare that I smoke weed, but I drink my share.
In the long run, both will make you anti-social.
jeremy806
Originally posted by: VTrider
Man, after spending the last 10 minutes shuffling through these posts...all I have to say is. Ignorance is not a good thing people, many should visit The Vaults of Erowid or as EdipisReks posted earlier, Lycaeum. This however will only fix 1/2 the problem. How can people form such strong convictions based only on objective data? You can read all the books about the Grand Canyon till your blue in the head, you still can't fully appreciate it's grandeur and beauty until you experience it first hand...get it? Some people here need to turn off and tune in, then start truely thinking for themselves.
Well put.
But weed smokers don't smoke as fast or as much as people drink. I've known several guys who, while still in highschool, would drink 20-26 glasses of beer several times a week. Try finding a weed smoker who smokes such amounts, especially several. Also check how often they get into fights and stuff.
I can't? or you can't? or who r referring to?
I'm 100% positive that many experienced users of both substances can maintain compusure in social situations. You better rethink the basis of your statement becuase its not true at all.
Originally posted by: EdipisReks
all i have to say to the people who won't try drugs is this: it's your loss. what you learned in school about drugs is wrong. what the government has tried to teach you is wrong. there is nothing inherantly bad about altering ones perception with a substance. yes, drugs can be harmful if taken too large of a quantity, but so can hamburgers. the vast majority of the "drug problem" was caused by the laws against drugs, not the drugs themselves. everything has an effect on the body. people have been taking drugs for thousands of years and they will continue to take drugs. the majority of the most brilliant people who ever lived were taking a drug in some form.
if you don't want to take drugs, that is your decision. if you decide not to take drugs because you learned about how bad it is in school, or you think that any expansion of the mind through a substance outside of the body is bad, then i think that it is a closed minded and ignorant decision, but you can do whatever you want. howeverm don't push your "morals" on others just because you are closed minded.
[edit for spelling. i'm not quite used to my new keyboard
Though I usually like to hear with edipisreks has to say, partly because he has a cool name, partly because he has a take no sh!t attitude, I have to disagree here.
"there is nothing inherantly bad about altering ones perception with a substance. "
So, nothing wrong with being on crack? What about the psychotic state of mind it puts you in, making you more likely to commit random acts of violence?
"yes, drugs can be harmful if taken too large of a quantity, but so can hamburgers"
so can air (hyperventilating) or water (drowning). That's not the point of the argument. So botulism toxin isn't bad because everything in excess is bad? When people ask if something is bad for you, they mean in a degree - is a regular amount of a drug taken daily bad for you? In which case, there is plenty of evidence to show the effects of long term use of alcohol and weed, and other drugs.
"the vast majority of the "drug problem" was caused by the laws against drugs, not the drugs themselves."
like, handguns don't kill people, people kill people...
you'd be hard pressed to refute the correlation between criminal acts and substance abuse of criminals in our prisons. People steal, kill, and rape trying to get money to buy their next fix. How are the laws against drugs the problem?
"the majority of the most brilliant people who ever lived were taking a drug in some form."
yeah - and they were brilliant because they did? How about they were brilliant because they were naturally more intelligent people? Or how about because they all worked really hard at whatever they did? Guaranteed that the number of dumbasses taking a drug in some form is way higher than the number of brilliant people taking a drug.
Close minded is not being able to see another point of view. While people who refuse to take drugs can thus be labelled as close-minded, so can people who only think that drugs are acceptable.
Well, I guess that the difference between alcohol and weed is huge. Alcohol destroys one's liver and body in general, and pot is aimed at one's brain solely. Thus, alcoholics may look bad, like drunkards do, may have liver problems, become more stupid, but when they're sober their brain works OK (*I think *). As for potheads, the weed destroys their brain much faster than alcohol, like any drug does. A pothead's brain won't stay the same, I'll eventually degrade and the person will have less and less consciousness left.
Thats complete bs. I drink to have a good time on the weekends and I'm by no means a pathetic loser. Maybe the next time I'm macking some chicks at a bar on a saturday night and your at home downloading new drivers for your video card or overclocking your cpu, you'll actually stop and think who the "pathetic loser" is.
<-------- Hopes that weed is worse since he doesn't smoke.
Don't take it bad but what you just said is typical and a hip excuse at ATOT these days. Seems that a lot of users go out with the ladies but they hang out at a PC Forum as much as they can judging from the statistics. What's even more sad is that they pay for the forum and make excuses, just like me
.Well, I guess that the difference between alcohol and weed is huge. Alcohol destroys one's liver and body in general, and pot is aimed at one's brain solely. Thus, alcoholics may look bad, like drunkards do, may have liver problems, become more stupid, but when they're sober their brain works OK (*I think *). As for potheads, the weed destroys their brain much faster than alcohol, like any drug does. A pothead's brain won't stay the same, I'll eventually degrade and the person will have less and less consciousness left.
Alcohol is way worse than weed affecting the brain. Alcohol kills tons of brain cells. Know the feeling when your drunk, thats your brain when toxins are inside killing your brain cells. THC, the active ingredient in weed is what makes you high. The THC binds to recepters and gives you the feeling you are high. If you smoke alot, THC builds up inside your brain, thus giving you more of a tolerance. But if you stopped smoking for a while, the THC buildup will gradually leave your brain and after a couple days (depends how long you smoked) your back to normal. The study shown is that if you smoke a lot and i mean alot of weed for a very long time, you damage those receptors that THC clings to but that is in extreme cases (smoke every day for 20+ years). Alcohol is terrible for your liver and your whole body. Alcohol is toxic, so what you do you think your body would rather have? toxins killing brain cells or THC. Obviously neither but if there was a choice, obviously THC.
As weed destroying the brain quicker than alcohol is ludicruis. Try going on a drinking binge for 2 weeks and tell me how you feel after gettign hammered day after day. you probably be feeling so sick it wouldnt be funny. alcohol does more damage on your body and your brain than weed would ever do.
As for potheads, the weed destroys their brain much faster than alcohol, like any drug does.
how does weed destroy someones brain? does it turn it into mush so your just a walking zombie? its natural, people have been smoking it for 100's of years, this is just the government telling you this (they gotta protect their investment and jobs on the war on drugs, im glad Canada is probably gonna decrimilize in the near future (couple months) because they know, and so does britian that it should not be illegal and its ridicilous that it is. by the way alcohol is a drug too.
Alcohol is way worse than weed affecting the brain. Alcohol kills tons of brain cells. Know the feeling when your drunk, thats your brain when toxins are inside killing your brain cells. THC, the active ingredient in weed is what makes you high. The THC binds to recepters and gives you the feeling you are high. If you smoke alot, THC builds up inside your brain, thus giving you more of a tolerance. But if you stopped smoking for a while, the THC buildup will gradually leave your brain and after a couple days (depends how long you smoked) your back to normal. The study shown is that if you smoke a lot and i mean alot of weed for a very long time, you damage those receptors that THC clings to but that is in extreme cases (smoke every day for 20+ years). Alcohol is terrible for your liver and your whole body. Alcohol is toxic, so what you do you think your body would rather have? toxins killing brain cells or THC. Obviously neither but if there was a choice, obviously THC.
As weed destroying the brain quicker than alcohol is ludicruis. Try going on a drinking binge for 2 weeks and tell me how you feel after gettign hammered day after day. you probably be feeling so sick it wouldnt be funny. alcohol does more damage on your body and your brain than weed would ever do.
As for potheads, the weed destroys their brain much faster than alcohol, like any drug does.
how does weed destroy someones brain? does it turn it into mush so your just a walking zombie? its natural, people have been smoking it for 100's of years, this is just the government telling you this (they gotta protect their investment and jobs on the war on drugs, im glad Canada is probably gonna decrimilize in the near future (couple months) because they know, and so does britian that it should not be illegal and its ridicilous that it is. by the way alcohol is a drug too.
Where the hell do you pull this stuff from? How old are you? Alcohol does affect the brain, even when not drunk .. ask any woman who has been married to an alcoholic for most of her life .. get out of your bubble booster boy.
edit: Oh and yeah, you can thank booze, weed, heroin, cocaine, morphine and whatever other drugs for more than half of america's music .. Lets not even get into the arts and literature.
While I agree that the original post was silly, yours is just as silly.
"Alcohol is toxic, so what you do you think your body would rather have? toxins killing brain cells or THC. Obviously neither but if there was a choice, obviously THC."
People are completely neglecting the whole smoke inhalation aspect of smoking marijuana. Smoking weed doesn't necessarily just affect your brain, the simple fact that you're inhaling a solid dissolved within a gas (smoke) is bad for your lungs. People that survive fires and bombings are often taken to the hospital for smoke inhalation alone. So the question is, would you rather have liver/brain damage from alcohol, or liver/brain/lung damage from smoking weed? The liver is undoubtably involved in helping the body rid itself of the chemicals found in both drugs.
"Try going on a drinking binge for 2 weeks and tell me how you feel after gettign hammered day after day. you probably be feeling so sick it wouldnt be funny. alcohol does more damage on your body and your brain than weed would ever do. "
Well why don't you chain smoke pot for 2 weeks and tell me how you feel? Or dive out of an airplane and tell me how you feel? Using pain as a measure of damage to someone's system makes absolutely no sense.
"how does weed destroy someones brain? does it turn it into mush so your just a walking zombie? its natural, people have been smoking it for 100's of years, this is just the government telling you this (they gotta protect their investment and jobs on the war on drugs, im glad Canada is probably gonna decrimilize in the near future (couple months) because they know, and so does britian that it should not be illegal and its ridicilous that it is. by the way alcohol is a drug too"
There isn't anything in here that makes sense except for the last sentence. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's good for you - is drinking natural piss good for you? The government wants to protect their investment in drugs - dude, that is a some whacked out conspiracy theory. canada is gonna "decrimilize" pot - I assume you mean, "legalize". It's not too hard to figure out you're a pretty big pot smoker. Maybe you should stop smoking and drinking; I think you've lost too many brain cells as it is.
Ok, here is my take on the situation, Alcohol can kill you directly in 1 of 2 ways (that I know of) 1) you can get a build of of alcohol in your blood (alcohol is a toxin BTW) and you can die of alcohol poisoning, this is the immediate way, 2) you can drink over many years and wear out your liver (the organ responsible for filtering toxins out of the blood) to the point that you develop cirrosis of the liver and eventually failure of the organ. I have not heard of any deaths associated with just smoking marijuana, however, and I'm sure many of you marijuana smokers will dispute this, but I have seen it happen, no matter what you say, marijuana is a gateway drug, a lot of my friends do pot, I do not, I occasionally drink, but never smoke, anyways some of my friends have jumped from marijuana to harder drugs like extacy, shrooms, and crack. We are all upper/ upper middle class, so these people can afford pretty much anything they want, trust me you don't want to be almost 18 and have 3 former friends that you don't hang out with any more because they are crack heads, you think they won't die from crack, or cocaine or some other drug like that?
Well, Therapist928, it's so easy to label smth 'stupid'. But, unfortunately, you haven't introduced anything positive into the discussion. If you want me to back up my words with links, I won't do that. First, I don't have those links, second, I wouldn't bother posting them. Science has proved that both alcohol and weed are toxic, you can't deny that. So what was your point? You seem to agree with everything yet try to insult. Why?
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