Where does it say in the Koran....

[ConantheBarbarian]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ConantheBarbarian

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Please provide sources where Prophet Mohammad PBUH did these acts as you described. You forgot the traitorous jews that betrayed him and joined the meccans that tried to kill him and his the whole viallage. Next time STFU and keep your twisted thoughts to yourself.

Does it bother you that Mohammed started his cult 600 years ago?

Islam is a cult and nothing less. Not even a true religion. Their faith is based on one prophet and the twisting of his teachings. I study religions and modern Islam is a cult.

Does it bother you that Christianity is a false religion and judaiism is an abandoned religion? I guess you must have went to the lowest place to study if you think Islam is a cult.

Originally posted by: TripleshotYou will be sitting in Hell during a snow storm before you ever get me to STFU. I did a google on Islam and Mohammad and the Qur'an. I have my faith, you have yours. You are entitled to your beliefs, but you will not tell me to STFU for expressing mine, got it!

You shouldnt have written what you have on PUBLIC forum as you will get flamed. I would never foul mouth anothers beleif because he or she beleives in something other than I beleive. You still havent provided a link to where you got this information from or cant you because it is flase?

 

[chiwawa626]

Please dont try to explain this with religion. Just stop now.

 

[LunarRay]

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Does it bother you that Mohammed started his cult 600 years ago?

Islam is a cult and nothing less. Not even a true religion. Their faith is based on one prophet and the twisting of his teachings. I study religions and modern Islam is a cult.[/quote]


From the eyes of a Muslim what be we? The true Muslim lives by a creed that few can manage. Islam has law like Moses had to deal with the short commings of man. If in their heart they seek God are they not better in their approach to God than those who do not have God in their heart but only in their words? Jesus, whom I believe to be the Son of God and God said to watch for the board in our own eye and not the splinter in anothers... would this not fit here?

 

[Bite]

Never mind...

 

[Tripleshot]

ConantheBarbarian

Here ya go. Try this on for size. People much smarter than you or I have also made their decision.

MUHAMMAD'S PROPHETHOOD

More will follow.

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: MadRat
97%? Yeah right. I doubt that even 15% of the population is truly Muslim. Thats like calling all catholics as true Catholics.

Islamic ideals have been forced upon Iraqi people, they didn't exactly all become Muslim by choice. Go back a few centuries and see how they became Muslims.

Not sure how this is particularly relevant. Despite how they became Muslim, the fact is they still ARE Muslim. You can find similar parallels in the Christian-izing of many indigenous people around the world; as you might say, "they didn't exactly all become [Christian] by choice" - but to this day, they're still Christian.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ConantheBarbarian

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Please provide sources where Prophet Mohammad PBUH did these acts as you described. You forgot the traitorous jews that betrayed him and joined the meccans that tried to kill him and his the whole viallage. Next time STFU and keep your twisted thoughts to yourself.

Does it bother you that Mohammed started his cult 600 years ago?

Islam is a cult and nothing less. Not even a true religion. Their faith is based on one prophet and the twisting of his teachings. I study religions and modern Islam is a cult.

You do not know what you are talking about .

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: LocutusX

Originally posted by: MadRat
97%? Yeah right. I doubt that even 15% of the population is truly Muslim. Thats like calling all catholics as true Catholics.

Islamic ideals have been forced upon Iraqi people, they didn't exactly all become Muslim by choice. Go back a few centuries and see how they became Muslims.

Not sure how this is particularly relevant. Despite how they became Muslim, the fact is they still ARE Muslim. You can find similar parallels in the Christian-izing of many indigenous people around the world; as you might say, "they didn't exactly all become [Christian] by choice" - but to this day, they're still Christian.

Its relevant in how it shapes their everyday values and decisions.

 

[Tiger]

people decided it was buffet day on other people's property.

In Iraq there is no other peoples property.
The average Iraqi wouldn't be allowed to walk into the businesses that have been looted much less afford anything in it.
The ruling class of Iraq have been following the old soviet Stalinist model for 30 years. There's bound to be "repercussions".

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
ConantheBarbarian

Here ya go. Try this on for size. People much smarter than you or I have also made their decision.

MUHAMMAD'S PROPHETHOOD

More will follow.

This site claims to prove that Jesus was a false prophet.

As does this one.

The number of sites you post with an agenda doesn't indicate proof of something. This is an issue where the truth is unproveable. There's no way to prove that God spoke to someone, with or without a second witness. If I say God just spoke to me, and my friend next to me says, "I heard him too", does that mean I'm telling the truth? Religion ultimately comes down to having the unquestioning belief that one person or two people or several people are telling the absolute truth.

When you say "people much smarter than you or I", you're only speaking for yourself. You have no idea of how smart someone else is. First prove relative intelligence, then prove that this intelligence enables your source to have anything other than an unproveable opinion. If you believe in one religion, it doesn't make sense to try to discredit someone else's.

 

[PG]

This is one part of the Koran that bothers me:

52. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran/5.html


I've never seen anything like that in a Bible. The Bible might say things like "an eye for an eye" in the Old Testement, but I've never seen anything telling me who I can and can't have for friends.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: PG
This is one part of the Koran that bothers me:

52. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran/5.html


I've never seen anything like that in a Bible. The Bible might say things like "an eye for an eye" in the Old Testement, but I've never seen anything telling me who I can and can't have for friends.

The justifying of revenge is ok, but you have a problem with telling you who you can be friends with?

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: PG
This is one part of the Koran that bothers me:

52. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran/5.html


I've never seen anything like that in a Bible. The Bible might say things like "an eye for an eye" in the Old Testement, but I've never seen anything telling me who I can and can't have for friends.

The justifying of revenge is ok, but you have a problem with telling you who you can be friends with?

The New Testement is much nicer and tells people to turn the other cheek.
My point was to admit there are things in the Bible that don't look so good at first glance, but I don't know how people could defend that part of the Koran.

 

[DoctaMason]

Originally posted by : Bite
Where does it say in the Koran, "If liberated, loot the hell out of your country. Be sure to ransack museums and every hospital you can find. Vandalize everything you can get your hands on. Jacking at gunpoint is especially encouraged. Then, after you have totally trashed your country, blame your liberators because, after all, you are certainly not responsible for your own acts."

Iraq is 97% Muslim. Does the Koran permit them to go psycho once the repressive regime is no more?

Where did this come from? What does the Quran have to do with the war in Iraq? Jasonroehm made a good point when he said "same thing would happen in America, for sure (example: any major riot, like Los Angeles, 1992)." Where in the Bible did it say to do that? Im not sure what religion you are, but your definitly not one of the 3 Religions discussed here. Also, Iraq's population of muslims is also not 97%. Its more around 85% (IMHO). I didnt include the ones that had to be muslim because of Saddam.

Originally posted by: PG
This is one part of the Koran that bothers me:

52. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran/5.html


I've never seen anything like that in a Bible. The Bible might say things like "an eye for an eye" in the Old Testement, but I've never seen anything telling me who I can and can't have for friends.

First thing your taking this OUT of context. Look at it this way. How much money has been funded to isreal per year, and how much is funded to the muslim countries per year put together? You will see a bit of a discrepancy. Now hmm.. U.S. is mostly what. Christians? hmm.. and Christians fund who the most.. hmm.. Jews? hmm... Too quote the Aya from the Quran "They are but friends and protectors to each other". Does this make sense to anyone?

Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Your entitled to your opinions of course. But when its as blagarant as this. Please keep them to yourself. I and most true muslims would never say anything like that about catholics or jews. I have a great respect for all 3 religions. Because we share a common thing. We believe in ONE god. And we look up to him. We have different messengers/prophets. That is true. But i would never say anything bad about Jesus or Moses. They were great people. They were leaders of thier time and still influence us now and will till the day we die.

I was actually apalled by that statement. In the future, please have some decency.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Bite
Where does it say in the Koran, "If liberated, loot the hell out of your country. Be sure to ransack museums and every hospital you can find. Vandalize everything you can get your hands on. Jacking at gunpoint is especially encouraged. Then, after you have totally trashed your country, blame your liberators because, after all, you are certainly not responsible for your own acts."

Iraq is 97% Muslim. Does the Koran permit them to go psycho once the repressive regime is no more?

Help me understand how 'Coalition forces' are responsible for every single illegal, illicit, immoral and unethical act committed by every single Iraqi across the entire country from now until Doomsday....

God you're stupid. The majority of Germans are Christian, where in the Bible does it say to kill six million Jews?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

How about you actually read the Koran and not just repeat something you hear Rush Limbough or Ann Coulter say? Mohammad was run out of Mecca because he was preaching to idol worshipers to worship ONE god, sort of the basis for any monotheistic religion. And where you got your caravan raiding tripe is beyond me.

 

[Helenihi]

"First thing your taking this OUT of context. Look at it this way. How much money has been funded to isreal per year, and how much is funded to the muslim countries per year put together? You will see a bit of a discrepancy. Now hmm.. U.S. is mostly what. Christians? hmm.. and Christians fund who the most.. hmm.. Jews? hmm... Too quote the Aya from the Quran "They are but friends and protectors to each other". Does this make sense to anyone? "

What the hell? How is the modern middle east situation the context for 1400 year old statements?

And why exactly should the US fund Muslim countries anyway? In case you didn't notice, none of them are completely surrounded by hostile neighbors intent on murdering their entire population. And last I checked, Egypt is Muslim and gets a lot of money from the US. So do the Palestinians.

 

[ConantheBarbarian]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
ConantheBarbarian

Here ya go. Try this on for size. People much smarter than you or I have also made their decision.

MUHAMMAD'S PROPHETHOOD

More will follow.

This article does not indicate anything that you attempted to falsely lie about the Prophet in your previous thread, all this says is something about a single and a second witness.

 

[iwearnosox]

They had to loot, the lakers lost.

 

[ConantheBarbarian]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
They had to loot, the lakers lost.

LOL

 

[peonyu]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Where does the Quaran say that? Ive never heard of Mohammad PBUH doing that.

 

[RigorousT]

Somethings no one has mentioned yet:

1) Atleast one of these initial looting jobs is believed to be an insider job. In one of the museums, where originals and fakes were
displayed side-by-side, the originals were the only ones taken. Some hidden stashes also were exposed and removed.

2) Many of the remaining Baath party members and Republican guards interspersed in the population might well have good reason to incite public looting and anarchy just to make our troops' jobs more difficult.

3) Some Iraqi prisoners were released at the brink of war, and they also have good probable reason to stir up trouble. Heck, they don't have anything to lose and they're confortable breaking laws already.


This obviously doesn't explain all occurances of looting, but it sheds possible light on some of them... I'd say the bank robberies and threats to neighbors are mostly just idiots though... every religion has them.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: peonyu

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Islam's beliefs in Muhhamad as being a prophet of God is confusing at best to me. Muhaamed was run out of Mecca and fled to Meddina where he raided trade caravans between the two cities to support his twisted sense of holy justice. Being a thief and a liar may be acceptable if the one you look to as prophet has got the green light from God to do so.

Contrast that with the life of Christ.

Contrast that with the life of Moses.

Draw your own conclusions. I've made mine.

Where does the Quaran say that? Ive never heard of Mohammad PBUH doing that.

None of these people who spew such crap have actually read the Quran, if they did they would provide exact paragraphs to support their claims. Ignorance leads to bigotry, scary stuff.

 

[Statman]

Tripleshot ....... The links that you are providing about Islam are not correct. The website answering islam even misquoted the Quran. It is a well known anti Islamic site.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Statman
Tripleshot ....... The links that you are providing about Islam are not correct. The website answering islam even misquoted the Quran. It is a well known anti Islamic site.

Exactly, why don't you actually pick up a copy of it and read it Tripleshot? It has been translated in English by many respectable scholars of Islam. At least that way you would know for yourself. Or are you and all the other anti-Islam people here too afraid that if you read it you might realize that all the Right Wingers on TV are full of $hit?